Is healthcare a right? why or why not?

[dblack]

The Post Office is not a department in the US government and the Postmaster General is no longer a cabinet member. Since 1971, it has operated as an independent agency of the executive branch. The Postmaster General is not appointed by the president but rather the Governors of the Postal Service. It is considered a non-partisan, non-political position.

The only mention of the Post Office is in Article 1 Section 8 in which congress has the power to pay
"To establish Post Offices and post Roads"

So what? How do these irrelevant details make the postal service "communist"?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And yet it wasn't designed to be a business. It was designed to serve the people. Soviet has nothing to do with it. Much like the electoral college, the postal service is made to serve rural people, disadvantaged by their distance from populated areas. Instead of perceiving it as soviet, why not celebrate it for its role as a vital national glue?

Because, as has been proven, there are some functions that the USPS serves that can now be done better by private enterprise.

Likewise, a free market system in healthcare, with perhaps governmental assistance only for those who truly cannot acquire healthcare on their own, would provide better service.

Yes the few who truly could not afford capitalist healthcare could be given Vouchers convertible to cash at the end of the year so they would shop carefully for their healthcare among providers competing on the basis of price and quality. Capitalism would probably reduce the cost of healthcare 80%

I know that's how it's working for me. My family chose a high-deductible, low-premium health insurance with an HSA, because we're rarely sick enough to require a doctor. This shifted the priorities when choosing our doctors significantly. It became necessary to actually research the doctors in my area to find one who was competent and experienced and ALSO had a low fee scale for routine office visits, in order to minimize the use of my HSA funds so that they would be available in the event of a catastrophic illness. I probably wouldn't have bothered to check their fee scales at all if I'd had health insurance that just covers everything and charges me out the ass for premiums.

Yes and if everybody was shopping like that with their own money for price and quality the downward pressure on price would be tremendous .

True. One need only look at procedures that are not typically covered under health insurance. Typically, a new procedure like that is expensive when it first comes out, and then the prices start dropping as more and more people start to provide it, and more and more people hear about it and want it. Also, advancements in those areas progress fairly rapidly, since there's a large profit motivation involved in finding new and better ways to do those things.

yes !!! So much of the talk is about the price of health care under our incredibly inefficient libsocialist system but forgotten is all the innovation that would take place if we had a capitalist system. The USSR, for example, did not produce one consumer innovation during its existence!

 

[Flopper]

The Post Office is not a department in the US government and the Postmaster General is no longer a cabinet member. Since 1971, it has operated as an independent agency of the executive branch. The Postmaster General is not appointed by the president but rather the Governors of the Postal Service. It is considered a non-partisan, non-political position.

The only mention of the Post Office is in Article 1 Section 8 in which congress has the power to pay
"To establish Post Offices and post Roads"

So what? How do these irrelevant details make the postal service "communist"?

I never made that claim.

 

[Cecilie1200]

One of the biggest problems in our system is we use all of the above which results in the most expensive healthcare in the world and not the best care.

the only problem with our system is it is not capitalist it is socialist or Cuban which we know will not work. Do you understand?

Do you consider the postal service communist, or Cuban?

What is it with you leftists and your "all or nothing" reasoning that if the government does anything, that makes it okay for the government to do EVERYTHING?

The USPS (I know nothing about how the postal service works in Canada) is a department of the US government. It is specified as such in our Constitution. There is nothing "communist" about having a governmental structure that performs certain functions. That has no bearing on the fact that there are many, MANY more things which are not the purview of the government, nor should they be.

The Post Office is not a department in the US government and the Postmaster General is no longer a cabinet member. Since 1971, it has operated as an independent agency of the executive branch. The Postmaster General is not appointed by the president but rather the Governors of the Postal Service. It is considered a non-partisan, non-political position.

The only mention of the Post Office is in Article 1 Section 8 in which congress has the power to pay
"To establish Post Offices and post Roads"

The Postmaster General may not be a Cabinet member, but the USPS is still owned and operated by the federal government. Their employees are still classified as federal government employees, and still receive government benefits.

Please note that the Postmaster General, by your own assertion, is still appointed by government officials. Know any private businesses run that way?

 

[dblack]

The Post Office is not a department in the US government and the Postmaster General is no longer a cabinet member. Since 1971, it has operated as an independent agency of the executive branch. The Postmaster General is not appointed by the president but rather the Governors of the Postal Service. It is considered a non-partisan, non-political position.

The only mention of the Post Office is in Article 1 Section 8 in which congress has the power to pay
"To establish Post Offices and post Roads"

So what? How do these irrelevant details make the postal service "communist"?

I never made that claim.

Ok. Then I'll go back to my first question. So what?

 

[Flopper]

One of the biggest problems in our system is we use all of the above which results in the most expensive healthcare in the world and not the best care.

the only problem with our system is it is not capitalist it is socialist or Cuban which we know will not work. Do you understand?

Do you consider the postal service communist, or Cuban?

What is it with you leftists and your "all or nothing" reasoning that if the government does anything, that makes it okay for the government to do EVERYTHING?

The USPS (I know nothing about how the postal service works in Canada) is a department of the US government. It is specified as such in our Constitution. There is nothing "communist" about having a governmental structure that performs certain functions. That has no bearing on the fact that there are many, MANY more things which are not the purview of the government, nor should they be.

The Post Office is not a department in the US government and the Postmaster General is no longer a cabinet member. Since 1971, it has operated as an independent agency of the executive branch. The Postmaster General is not appointed by the president but rather the Governors of the Postal Service. It is considered a non-partisan, non-political position.

The only mention of the Post Office is in Article 1 Section 8 in which congress has the power to pay
"To establish Post Offices and post Roads"

The Postmaster General may not be a Cabinet member, but the USPS is still owned and operated by the federal government. Their employees are still classified as federal government employees, and still receive government benefits.

Please note that the Postmaster General, by your own assertion, is still appointed by government officials. Know any private businesses run that way?

The post offices are owned by the government and employees are government employees but the post office is not operated by the government. The USPS is an independent agency operated by the Postal Service Board of Governors. The members of the Board are not government employees nor is the Postmaster General.

 

[Cecilie1200]

the only problem with our system is it is not capitalist it is socialist or Cuban which we know will not work. Do you understand?

Do you consider the postal service communist, or Cuban?

What is it with you leftists and your "all or nothing" reasoning that if the government does anything, that makes it okay for the government to do EVERYTHING?

The USPS (I know nothing about how the postal service works in Canada) is a department of the US government. It is specified as such in our Constitution. There is nothing "communist" about having a governmental structure that performs certain functions. That has no bearing on the fact that there are many, MANY more things which are not the purview of the government, nor should they be.

The Post Office is not a department in the US government and the Postmaster General is no longer a cabinet member. Since 1971, it has operated as an independent agency of the executive branch. The Postmaster General is not appointed by the president but rather the Governors of the Postal Service. It is considered a non-partisan, non-political position.

The only mention of the Post Office is in Article 1 Section 8 in which congress has the power to pay
"To establish Post Offices and post Roads"

The Postmaster General may not be a Cabinet member, but the USPS is still owned and operated by the federal government. Their employees are still classified as federal government employees, and still receive government benefits.

Please note that the Postmaster General, by your own assertion, is still appointed by government officials. Know any private businesses run that way?

The post offices are owned by the government and employees are government employees but the post office is not operated by the government. The USPS is an independent agency operated by the Postal Service Board of Governors. The members of the Board are not government employees nor is the Postmaster General.

Riiiiight. Owned by the federal government, staffed by federal government employees, governed by a Board of Governors containing people appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, and compelled by legislation directing their operations and service mandate, but not part of the government.

Okay, Spanky. You go with that.

 

[debbiedowner]

Do you consider the postal service communist, or Cuban?

What is it with you leftists and your "all or nothing" reasoning that if the government does anything, that makes it okay for the government to do EVERYTHING?

The USPS (I know nothing about how the postal service works in Canada) is a department of the US government. It is specified as such in our Constitution. There is nothing "communist" about having a governmental structure that performs certain functions. That has no bearing on the fact that there are many, MANY more things which are not the purview of the government, nor should they be.

The Post Office is not a department in the US government and the Postmaster General is no longer a cabinet member. Since 1971, it has operated as an independent agency of the executive branch. The Postmaster General is not appointed by the president but rather the Governors of the Postal Service. It is considered a non-partisan, non-political position.

The only mention of the Post Office is in Article 1 Section 8 in which congress has the power to pay
"To establish Post Offices and post Roads"

The Postmaster General may not be a Cabinet member, but the USPS is still owned and operated by the federal government. Their employees are still classified as federal government employees, and still receive government benefits.

Please note that the Postmaster General, by your own assertion, is still appointed by government officials. Know any private businesses run that way?

The post offices are owned by the government and employees are government employees but the post office is not operated by the government. The USPS is an independent agency operated by the Postal Service Board of Governors. The members of the Board are not government employees nor is the Postmaster General.

Riiiiight. Owned by the federal government, staffed by federal government employees, governed by a Board of Governors containing people appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, and compelled by legislation directing their operations and service mandate, but not part of the government.

Okay, Spanky. You go with that.

He's correct

United States Postal Service - Wikipedia

Are postal workers federal employees?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

the only problem with our system is it is not capitalist it is socialist or Cuban which we know will not work. Do you understand?

Do you consider the postal service communist, or Cuban?

What is it with you leftists and your "all or nothing" reasoning that if the government does anything, that makes it okay for the government to do EVERYTHING?

The USPS (I know nothing about how the postal service works in Canada) is a department of the US government. It is specified as such in our Constitution. There is nothing "communist" about having a governmental structure that performs certain functions. That has no bearing on the fact that there are many, MANY more things which are not the purview of the government, nor should they be.

The Post Office is not a department in the US government and the Postmaster General is no longer a cabinet member. Since 1971, it has operated as an independent agency of the executive branch. The Postmaster General is not appointed by the president but rather the Governors of the Postal Service. It is considered a non-partisan, non-political position.

The only mention of the Post Office is in Article 1 Section 8 in which congress has the power to pay
"To establish Post Offices and post Roads"

The Postmaster General may not be a Cabinet member, but the USPS is still owned and operated by the federal government. Their employees are still classified as federal government employees, and still receive government benefits.

Please note that the Postmaster General, by your own assertion, is still appointed by government officials. Know any private businesses run that way?

The post offices are owned by the government and employees are government employees but the post office is not operated by the government. The USPS is an independent agency operated by the Postal Service Board of Governors. The members of the Board are not government employees nor is the Postmaster General.

whatever, there are 1000 forms of libsocialist monopoly soviet bureaucracies that are horrible inefficient and stupid

 

[IResist]

The only way healthcare in this country can fully function is by ensuring it is a right. The U.S. signed the U.N. Declarations of Human Rights and made healthcare one.

Yes. I believe it is one.

 

[dblack]

The only way healthcare in this country can fully function is by ensuring it is a right. The U.S. signed the U.N. Declarations of Human Rights and made healthcare one.

Yes. I believe it is one.

Do you also believe adequate food is right? Housing? Transportation? Internet access? What is your criteria for what should be a "right" and what shouldn't?

 

[IResist]

The only way healthcare in this country can fully function is by ensuring it is a right. The U.S. signed the U.N. Declarations of Human Rights and made healthcare one.

Yes. I believe it is one.

Do you also believe adequate food is right? Housing? Transportation? Internet access? What is your criteria for what should be a "right" and what shouldn't?

I feel like if those aren't rights, they should all be affordable and accessible. They are necessities in one way or another. Free market healthcare is a failure, in my eyes and going towards single payer means we advance towards the rest of the civilized world.

 

[dblack]

Do you also believe adequate food is right? Housing? Transportation? Internet access? What is your criteria for what should be a "right" and what shouldn't?

I feel like if those aren't rights, they should all be affordable and accessible.

How is that different?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. Free market healthcare is a failure,

sorry to rock your world but we don't have anything like free market health care. Thats when people shop with their own money, prices are published, and providers compete on basis of price and quality. It would lower prices 80% and add 10-20 years to our life spans. Make sense now?

 

[Mr Natural]

sorry to rock your world but we don't have anything like free market health care. Thats when people shop with their own money, prices are published, and providers compete on basis of price and quality. It would lower prices 80% and add 10-20 years to our life spans. Make sense now?

Doctors are going to jump at the chance to see you in their office for forty bucks.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

sorry to rock your world but we don't have anything like free market health care. Thats when people shop with their own money, prices are published, and providers compete on basis of price and quality. It would lower prices 80% and add 10-20 years to our life spans. Make sense now?

Doctors are going to jump at the chance to see you in their office for forty bucks.

well in Red China nobody could afford anything and thus starved to death under socialism then they switched to capitalism and prices dropped 80% and people started getting rich. Do you understand?

 

[Mr Natural]

well in Red China nobody could afford anything and thus starved to death under socialism then they switched to capitalism and prices dropped 80% and people started getting rich. Do you understand?

a. This is not Red China

b. Healthcare is not like other commodities.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

well in Red China nobody could afford anything and thus starved to death under socialism then they switched to capitalism and prices dropped 80% and people started getting rich. Do you understand?

a. This is not Red China

b. Healthcare is not like other commodities.

a) it would be like Red China if libs got their way and made it even more socialist and less capitalist

b) health care is identical to other commodities but more important so should be more subject to free market discipline on price and quality and innovation. USSR did not produce one single consumer innovation. with capitalism we might cure disease in 10-20 years. Do you know why it encourages such rapid innovation??

 

[task0778]

Do you also believe adequate food is right? Housing? Transportation? Internet access? What is your criteria for what should be a "right" and what shouldn't?

I feel like if those aren't rights, they should all be affordable and accessible.

How is that different?

Do you also believe adequate food is right? Housing? Transportation? Internet access? What is your criteria for what should be a "right" and what shouldn't?

I feel like if those aren't rights, they should all be affordable and accessible.

How is that different?

If I may I'd like to add my own opinion, which is that you shouldn't have a right to something you have to pay for. As a society we can make food, housing, health care, etc, an entitlement which is given and regulated by the gov't and can be taken away as necessary. But I can't see declaring any service or commodity that must be paid for by somebody as as a right.

 

[Flopper]

sorry to rock your world but we don't have anything like free market health care. Thats when people shop with their own money, prices are published, and providers compete on basis of price and quality. It would lower prices 80% and add 10-20 years to our life spans. Make sense now?

Doctors are going to jump at the chance to see you in their office for forty bucks.

So much of the money that doctors make is from patients with chronic diseases such as asthma, COPD, cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc. There is always a need to monitor these patients. If you pay doctors 40 dollars a visit, they will see most of them twice as often.