Is Israel the Same as South Africa?

[P F Tinmore]

Jaffa's Ajami was treated as a Ghetto till 1967, says Jeries Qobti on the way to see Mario Deek the Leader of the Orthodox Church Scouts, and then it became "another way of treating us!" What happened last week to Mario when someone complained about noise while the church scout Orchestra was practicing? Palestinians living in Jaffa learn in Hebrew schools or even when they go to Arabic schools, the curriculum is written by the Israeli government. The only difference between the two types of schools is that you get to learn Arabic in the Arabic schools. In school, Jeries was taught about his own history in a different way: He learnt that this land was empty when the Jews built Jaffa,

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FybQW3OXtF0]89 Sleepless Gaza Jerusalem.divx - YouTube[/ame]

 

[georgephillip]

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

You need to read that report much closer.

Let's get to the bedrock issue in this exchange.


(QUESTION)

Without regard to the dubious assertion as to where the money comes from:

• How are "Palestinian Christian and Muslim citizens" subordinated?
• How are "Palestinian Christian and Muslim citizens" marginalized?

As to the financing of the Jewish National Home and the State of Israel, is it your claim that the non-Jewish citizens get no benefit from the prosperity enjoined in Israel? What is the claim you make now?

Most Respectfully,
R

Arab Israelis are discriminated against in housing and schooling for starters.

"The Israeli Declaration of Independence stated that the State of Israel would ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex, and guaranteed freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture. While formally equal according to Israeli law, a number of official sources acknowledge that Arab citizens of Israel experience discrimination in many aspects of life. Israeli High Court Justice (Ret.) Theodor Or wrote in The Report by the State Commission of Inquiry into the Events of October 2000:[181]

"The Arab citizens of Israel live in a reality in which they experience discrimination as Arabs. This inequality has been documented in a large number of professional surveys and studies, has been confirmed in court judgments and government resolutions, and has also found expression in reports by the state comptroller and in other official documents.

"Although the Jewish majority’s awareness of this discrimination is often quite low, it plays a central role in the sensibilities and attitudes of Arab citizens. This discrimination is widely accepted, both within the Arab sector and outside it, and by official assessments, as a chief cause of agitation."

Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you truly surprised the Jewish state values Jews above all others?

(COMMENT)

This information is more than a decade old. While there are a slew of new news stories on the subject, almost every story I saw was using studies and data that were very old.

This issue is about the public school system. It has its funding troubles the same as the US does. I came from a poor neighborhood and my school reflected the income and land value of that neighborhood. Most countries have this same problem.

These are filler stories that go for sympathy.

Most Respectfully,
R

Most countries weren't established as a Socialist enterprise; Israel was.
Can we be sure schools there are funded from local property taxes?

"A 2009 study from the Hebrew University's School of Education demonstrated that the Israeli Education Ministry's budget for special assistance to students from low socioeconomic backgrounds 'severely' discriminated against Arabs.

"The study found that because there were more needy Arab students, but fewer Arab students overall, educationally needy Jewish students receive anywhere from 3.8 to 6.9 times as much funding as equally needy Arab students.

"The Education Ministry said in response to the report that a decision has already been made to abandon this allocation method.[31]

"The Follow-Up Committee for Arab Education notes that the Israeli government spends an average of $192 per year on each Arab student compared to $1,100 per Jewish student.

"The drop-out rate for Arab citizens of Israel is twice as high as that of their Jewish counterparts (12 percent versus 6 percent). The same group also notes that there is a 5,000-classroom shortage in the Arab sector.[32][verification needed]

"A 2007 report of the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination noted that separate sectors are maintained for Jewish and Arab education. It recommended that Israel should assess the extent to which maintenance of separate Arab and Jewish sectors 'may amount to racial segregation', and that mixed Arab-Jewish communities and schools, and intercultural education should be promoted.[33]

"In a 2008 report, Israel responded that parents are entitled to enroll their children in the educational institution of their choice, whether the spoken language is Hebrew, Arabic or bilingual."

Racism in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ForeverYoung436]

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

You need to read that report much closer.

Arab Israelis are discriminated against in housing and schooling for starters.

"The Israeli Declaration of Independence stated that the State of Israel would ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex, and guaranteed freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture. While formally equal according to Israeli law, a number of official sources acknowledge that Arab citizens of Israel experience discrimination in many aspects of life. Israeli High Court Justice (Ret.) Theodor Or wrote in The Report by the State Commission of Inquiry into the Events of October 2000:[181]

"The Arab citizens of Israel live in a reality in which they experience discrimination as Arabs. This inequality has been documented in a large number of professional surveys and studies, has been confirmed in court judgments and government resolutions, and has also found expression in reports by the state comptroller and in other official documents.

"Although the Jewish majority’s awareness of this discrimination is often quite low, it plays a central role in the sensibilities and attitudes of Arab citizens. This discrimination is widely accepted, both within the Arab sector and outside it, and by official assessments, as a chief cause of agitation."

Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you truly surprised the Jewish state values Jews above all others?

(COMMENT)

This information is more than a decade old. While there are a slew of new news stories on the subject, almost every story I saw was using studies and data that were very old.

This issue is about the public school system. It has its funding troubles the same as the US does. I came from a poor neighborhood and my school reflected the income and land value of that neighborhood. Most countries have this same problem.

These are filler stories that go for sympathy.

Most Respectfully,
R

Most countries weren't established as a Socialist enterprise; Israel was.
Can we be sure schools there are funded from local property taxes?

"A 2009 study from the Hebrew University's School of Education demonstrated that the Israeli Education Ministry's budget for special assistance to students from low socioeconomic backgrounds 'severely' discriminated against Arabs.

"The study found that because there were more needy Arab students, but fewer Arab students overall, educationally needy Jewish students receive anywhere from 3.8 to 6.9 times as much funding as equally needy Arab students.

"The Education Ministry said in response to the report that a decision has already been made to abandon this allocation method.[31]

"The Follow-Up Committee for Arab Education notes that the Israeli government spends an average of $192 per year on each Arab student compared to $1,100 per Jewish student.

"The drop-out rate for Arab citizens of Israel is twice as high as that of their Jewish counterparts (12 percent versus 6 percent). The same group also notes that there is a 5,000-classroom shortage in the Arab sector.[32][verification needed]

"A 2007 report of the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination noted that separate sectors are maintained for Jewish and Arab education. It recommended that Israel should assess the extent to which maintenance of separate Arab and Jewish sectors 'may amount to racial segregation', and that mixed Arab-Jewish communities and schools, and intercultural education should be promoted.[33]

"In a 2008 report, Israel responded that parents are entitled to enroll their children in the educational institution of their choice, whether the spoken language is Hebrew, Arabic or bilingual."

Racism in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

75 Christians massacred in Pakistan the other week, others in Nigeria and Kenya, and all you can do is pull up some old news about Israel from Wikipedia. What's your beef with Jews? I have my own theory. Jews are not to blame for your predicament. My dad came to this country penniless and without family after the Holocaust, but created his own wealth by the sweat of his brow.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

There is no question that, as we go into the 21st Century, there are sever deficiencies in educations systems, both here in the US and abroad.

"In a 2008 report, Israel responded that parents are entitled to enroll their children in the educational institution of their choice, whether the spoken language is Hebrew, Arabic or bilingual."

Racism in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(COMMENT)

This is a multifaceted issue.

• The first issue is the system of bilingual education, Arab language versus Hebrew language. That would be equivalent to a bifurcated US education system with one set of schools being taught in English and another taught in Spanish. The closest we, in America come is the International Schools you occasionally run into outside the US (or special schools in and around Washington). My oldest daughter went to such an International School while I was assigned to SHAPE in Belgium (half day French and half day English). But it is very rare to find a truly bifurcated system that is functional socially, and economically efficient. Bifurcated systems inherently foster separation between those that speak the two languages in question and create fiscal disparities between the two systems (among other issues). Unless the country (and Israelis not one) is independently wealthy, it will never be able to adequately maintain a bifurcated system of any quality. Something will suffer; there will always be an inequality. It is the nature of humanity. And it will translate into future problems.

• The second big issue is that of self-imposed segregation. It is clear that the Arab and the Jew have not come to terms with cooperative coexistence; either socially, economically, or educationally. While the Israeli system allows for the ethnically Arab children to go to school in the Hebrew language system, they do not take advantage of the offer. This is an offer of integration (the process of ending systematic cultural segregation); a process that is extremely hard to enable. And integration is made even more difficult when the two cultures have parental discords that are yet unsolved. This goes hat in hand with the latent expression of the Article 15 concept that "it is necessary that scientists, educators and teachers, information and media people, as well as the educated masses, especially the youth and sheikhs of the Islamic movements, should take part in the operation of awakening (the masses)." There is a purpose to the culture to seek a continuing separation of the youth in the education process.

Yes, as the UNCERD Report says: "maintenance of separate Arab and Jewish sectors 'may amount to racial segregation." But that is not entirely to be laid at the feet of the Israeli system; or the Jewish people. The solution is to eliminate the Arab schools and integrate the student population into a single system under a single funding program. But then, indications are, that the Arab Community would oppose that as well and make another human rights complaint; to be used as anti-Israeli propaganda.

But "apartheid" it is not. Under "apartheid" there would be no choice to integrate. The offer of integration is, in fact, evidence of a process exactly opposite to "apartheid."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[georgephillip]

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

You need to read that report much closer.


(COMMENT)

This information is more than a decade old. While there are a slew of new news stories on the subject, almost every story I saw was using studies and data that were very old.

This issue is about the public school system. It has its funding troubles the same as the US does. I came from a poor neighborhood and my school reflected the income and land value of that neighborhood. Most countries have this same problem.

These are filler stories that go for sympathy.

Most Respectfully,
R

Most countries weren't established as a Socialist enterprise; Israel was.
Can we be sure schools there are funded from local property taxes?

"A 2009 study from the Hebrew University's School of Education demonstrated that the Israeli Education Ministry's budget for special assistance to students from low socioeconomic backgrounds 'severely' discriminated against Arabs.

"The study found that because there were more needy Arab students, but fewer Arab students overall, educationally needy Jewish students receive anywhere from 3.8 to 6.9 times as much funding as equally needy Arab students.

"The Education Ministry said in response to the report that a decision has already been made to abandon this allocation method.[31]

"The Follow-Up Committee for Arab Education notes that the Israeli government spends an average of $192 per year on each Arab student compared to $1,100 per Jewish student.

"The drop-out rate for Arab citizens of Israel is twice as high as that of their Jewish counterparts (12 percent versus 6 percent). The same group also notes that there is a 5,000-classroom shortage in the Arab sector.[32][verification needed]

"A 2007 report of the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination noted that separate sectors are maintained for Jewish and Arab education. It recommended that Israel should assess the extent to which maintenance of separate Arab and Jewish sectors 'may amount to racial segregation', and that mixed Arab-Jewish communities and schools, and intercultural education should be promoted.[33]

"In a 2008 report, Israel responded that parents are entitled to enroll their children in the educational institution of their choice, whether the spoken language is Hebrew, Arabic or bilingual."

Racism in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

75 Christians massacred in Pakistan the other week, others in Nigeria and Kenya, and all you can do is pull up some old news about Israel from Wikipedia. What's your beef with Jews? I have my own theory. Jews are not to blame for your predicament. My dad came to this country penniless and without family after the Holocaust, but created his own wealth by the sweat of his brow.

I believe some of the violence in Pakistan, Nigeria, and Kenya stems from the same source as Israel, namely a western corporate caliphate spearheaded by the US government. Israel is the nuclear-armed archstone of that policy, and when it all blows up the spark will probably originate in Jerusalem.

 

[Bloodrock44]

Jesus H. Christ...over 1600 responses and you still haven't figured out the answer is no? You should be ashamed.

 

[georgephillip]

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

There is no question that, as we go into the 21st Century, there are sever deficiencies in educations systems, both here in the US and abroad.

"In a 2008 report, Israel responded that parents are entitled to enroll their children in the educational institution of their choice, whether the spoken language is Hebrew, Arabic or bilingual."

Racism in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(COMMENT)

This is a multifaceted issue.

• The first issue is the system of bilingual education, Arab language versus Hebrew language. That would be equivalent to a bifurcated US education system with one set of schools being taught in English and another taught in Spanish. The closest we, in America come is the International Schools you occasionally run into outside the US (or special schools in and around Washington). My oldest daughter went to such an International School while I was assigned to SHAPE in Belgium (half day French and half day English). But it is very rare to find a truly bifurcated system that is functional socially, and economically efficient. Bifurcated systems inherently foster separation between those that speak the two languages in question and create fiscal disparities between the two systems (among other issues). Unless the country (and Israelis not one) is independently wealthy, it will never be able to adequately maintain a bifurcated system of any quality. Something will suffer; there will always be an inequality. It is the nature of humanity. And it will translate into future problems.

• The second big issue is that of self-imposed segregation. It is clear that the Arab and the Jew have not come to terms with cooperative coexistence; either socially, economically, or educationally. While the Israeli system allows for the ethnically Arab children to go to school in the Hebrew language system, they do not take advantage of the offer. This is an offer of integration (the process of ending systematic cultural segregation); a process that is extremely hard to enable. And integration is made even more difficult when the two cultures have parental discords that are yet unsolved. This goes hat in hand with the latent expression of the Article 15 concept that "it is necessary that scientists, educators and teachers, information and media people, as well as the educated masses, especially the youth and sheikhs of the Islamic movements, should take part in the operation of awakening (the masses)." There is a purpose to the culture to seek a continuing separation of the youth in the education process.

Yes, as the UNCERD Report says: "maintenance of separate Arab and Jewish sectors 'may amount to racial segregation." But that is not entirely to be laid at the feet of the Israeli system; or the Jewish people. The solution is to eliminate the Arab schools and integrate the student population into a single system under a single funding program. But then, indications are, that the Arab Community would oppose that as well and make another human rights complaint; to be used as anti-Israeli propaganda.

But "apartheid" it is not. Under "apartheid" there would be no choice to integrate. The offer of integration is, in fact, evidence of a process exactly opposite to "apartheid."

Most Respectfully,
R

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_discrimination_in_Israel#Education_system
"Israeli law does not prohibit Palestinian Arab parents from enrolling their children in Jewish schools, but in practice, very few Palestinian Arab parents do so.[24][26]"

Isn't it worth asking what treatment an Arab child would receive from his or her Jewish classmates? It seems to me the treatment would be similar to what Black students faced in white schools in Little Rock and Selma during the 1950s and '60s. Since the power of the Jewish state leans toward continued segregation instead of the bend toward integration we saw in this country during Ike's, JFK's and Lyndon's Administrations, sending Arab children into Jewish schools would be a sequel to Daniel in the Lion's Den without the happy ending. It should also go without saying Arabs in Jewish schools would receive a skewed narrative of the history of Palestine and the conflict that has raged there since 650,000 Jews imposed an ethnocracy on 1.35 million Arabs in 1948.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

All change requires courage and strength.

Racism in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Israeli law does not prohibit Palestinian Arab parents from enrolling their children in Jewish schools, but in practice, very few Palestinian Arab parents do so.[24][26]"

Isn't it worth asking what treatment an Arab child would receive from his or her Jewish classmates? It seems to me the treatment would be similar to what Black students faced in white schools in Little Rock and Selma during the 1950s and '60s. Since the power of the Jewish state leans toward continued segregation instead of the bend toward integration we saw in this country during Ike's, JFK's and Lyndon's Administrations, sending Arab children into Jewish schools would be a sequel to Daniel in the Lion's Den without the happy ending. It should also go without saying Arabs in Jewish schools would receive a skewed narrative of the history of Palestine and the conflict that has raged there since 650,000 Jews imposed an ethnocracy on 1.35 million Arabs in 1948.

(COMMENT)

Don't make is sound as if the Arab is some sort of righteous victim. They are not.

Look at the odds. You say it yourself. 2:1 in favor of the Arab, not counting the rest of the Arab League. And the idea that "650,000 Jews imposed an ethnocracy on 1.35 million Arabs in 1948," is really absurd. Look at the history.

But that is not the discussion. The discussion is about how "very few Palestinian Arab parents" allow their children to go to better schools, and then cry "apartheid." In this case, if there is a charge of "apartheid" to be made, surely it would be against the Arab who self-segregates.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

All change requires courage and strength.

Racism in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Israeli law does not prohibit Palestinian Arab parents from enrolling their children in Jewish schools, but in practice, very few Palestinian Arab parents do so.[24][26]"

Isn't it worth asking what treatment an Arab child would receive from his or her Jewish classmates? It seems to me the treatment would be similar to what Black students faced in white schools in Little Rock and Selma during the 1950s and '60s. Since the power of the Jewish state leans toward continued segregation instead of the bend toward integration we saw in this country during Ike's, JFK's and Lyndon's Administrations, sending Arab children into Jewish schools would be a sequel to Daniel in the Lion's Den without the happy ending. It should also go without saying Arabs in Jewish schools would receive a skewed narrative of the history of Palestine and the conflict that has raged there since 650,000 Jews imposed an ethnocracy on 1.35 million Arabs in 1948.

(COMMENT)

Don't make is sound as if the Arab is some sort of righteous victim. They are not.

Look at the odds. You say it yourself. 2:1 in favor of the Arab, not counting the rest of the Arab League. And the idea that "650,000 Jews imposed an ethnocracy on 1.35 million Arabs in 1948," is really absurd. Look at the history.

But that is not the discussion. The discussion is about how "very few Palestinian Arab parents" allow their children to go to better schools, and then cry "apartheid." In this case, if there is a charge of "apartheid" to be made, surely it would be against the Arab who self-segregates.

Most Respectfully,
R

The question is not why the Palestinians don't send their children to the better Jewish schools.

It is why are the Jewish schools better?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

Yes, that was already asked and answered.

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

All change requires courage and strength.

Racism in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Israeli law does not prohibit Palestinian Arab parents from enrolling their children in Jewish schools, but in practice, very few Palestinian Arab parents do so.[24][26]"

Isn't it worth asking what treatment an Arab child would receive from his or her Jewish classmates? It seems to me the treatment would be similar to what Black students faced in white schools in Little Rock and Selma during the 1950s and '60s. Since the power of the Jewish state leans toward continued segregation instead of the bend toward integration we saw in this country during Ike's, JFK's and Lyndon's Administrations, sending Arab children into Jewish schools would be a sequel to Daniel in the Lion's Den without the happy ending. It should also go without saying Arabs in Jewish schools would receive a skewed narrative of the history of Palestine and the conflict that has raged there since 650,000 Jews imposed an ethnocracy on 1.35 million Arabs in 1948.

(COMMENT)

Don't make is sound as if the Arab is some sort of righteous victim. They are not.

Look at the odds. You say it yourself. 2:1 in favor of the Arab, not counting the rest of the Arab League. And the idea that "650,000 Jews imposed an ethnocracy on 1.35 million Arabs in 1948," is really absurd. Look at the history.

But that is not the discussion. The discussion is about how "very few Palestinian Arab parents" allow their children to go to better schools, and then cry "apartheid." In this case, if there is a charge of "apartheid" to be made, surely it would be against the Arab who self-segregates.

Most Respectfully,
R

The question is not why the Palestinians don't send their children to the better Jewish schools.

It is why are the Jewish schools better?

(ANSWER)

To attract and encourage integration.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hossfly]

Most countries weren't established as a Socialist enterprise; Israel was.
Can we be sure schools there are funded from local property taxes?

"A 2009 study from the Hebrew University's School of Education demonstrated that the Israeli Education Ministry's budget for special assistance to students from low socioeconomic backgrounds 'severely' discriminated against Arabs.

"The study found that because there were more needy Arab students, but fewer Arab students overall, educationally needy Jewish students receive anywhere from 3.8 to 6.9 times as much funding as equally needy Arab students.

"The Education Ministry said in response to the report that a decision has already been made to abandon this allocation method.[31]

"The Follow-Up Committee for Arab Education notes that the Israeli government spends an average of $192 per year on each Arab student compared to $1,100 per Jewish student.

"The drop-out rate for Arab citizens of Israel is twice as high as that of their Jewish counterparts (12 percent versus 6 percent). The same group also notes that there is a 5,000-classroom shortage in the Arab sector.[32][verification needed]

"A 2007 report of the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination noted that separate sectors are maintained for Jewish and Arab education. It recommended that Israel should assess the extent to which maintenance of separate Arab and Jewish sectors 'may amount to racial segregation', and that mixed Arab-Jewish communities and schools, and intercultural education should be promoted.[33]

"In a 2008 report, Israel responded that parents are entitled to enroll their children in the educational institution of their choice, whether the spoken language is Hebrew, Arabic or bilingual."

Racism in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

75 Christians massacred in Pakistan the other week, others in Nigeria and Kenya, and all you can do is pull up some old news about Israel from Wikipedia. What's your beef with Jews? I have my own theory. Jews are not to blame for your predicament. My dad came to this country penniless and without family after the Holocaust, but created his own wealth by the sweat of his brow.

I believe some of the violence in Pakistan, Nigeria, and Kenya stems from the same source as Israel, namely a western corporate caliphate spearheaded by the US government. Israel is the nuclear-armed archstone of that policy, and when it all blows up the spark will probably originate in Jerusalem.

You really should be a little more subtle about your hatred of the Jews, Georgie Boy, instead of being so laughable I am sure the Shiites in Pakistan would roll their eyes at your blaming the Jews and Jerusalem for the Sunnis always blowing them up, the Christians in Nigeria would shake their heads at your blaming the Jews and Jerusalem for their brethren having their throats slit and their churches blown up by the Boko Haram, and I think anyone with a head on their shoulder realizes that those Somali terrorists weren't happy that the Kenya Army was going after the other terrorists in Somali. Hmmm, I wonder if there were no Jews and no Israel just whom would Georgie Boy find to blame because of the circumstances in his own life. There always has to be a scapegoat for people like him.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Western Corporate Caliphate spearheaded by the US Government..." ????!!!!!

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

Yes, that was already asked and answered.

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

All change requires courage and strength.


(COMMENT)

Don't make is sound as if the Arab is some sort of righteous victim. They are not.

Look at the odds. You say it yourself. 2:1 in favor of the Arab, not counting the rest of the Arab League. And the idea that "650,000 Jews imposed an ethnocracy on 1.35 million Arabs in 1948," is really absurd. Look at the history.

But that is not the discussion. The discussion is about how "very few Palestinian Arab parents" allow their children to go to better schools, and then cry "apartheid." In this case, if there is a charge of "apartheid" to be made, surely it would be against the Arab who self-segregates.

Most Respectfully,
R

The question is not why the Palestinians don't send their children to the better Jewish schools.

It is why are the Jewish schools better?

(ANSWER)

To attract and encourage integration.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't think so.

 

[P F Tinmore]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBrgw-IzLSc]Fadi Quran on the Growing Palestinian Nonviolent Resistance Movement & the Nakba Day Protests - YouTube[/ame]

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore. et al,

While the video mentions the "Apartheid Wall," we know that has little basis in fact and is purely propaganda.

VIDEO: Fadi Quran on the Growing Palestinian Nonviolent Resistance Movement & the Nakba Day Protests

(COMMENT)

While I like the Idea of a "non-violent" protest, I have severe reservations that people like Fadi Quran have any legitimate claim to enter Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[georgephillip]

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

All change requires courage and strength.

Racism in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Israeli law does not prohibit Palestinian Arab parents from enrolling their children in Jewish schools, but in practice, very few Palestinian Arab parents do so.[24][26]"

Isn't it worth asking what treatment an Arab child would receive from his or her Jewish classmates? It seems to me the treatment would be similar to what Black students faced in white schools in Little Rock and Selma during the 1950s and '60s. Since the power of the Jewish state leans toward continued segregation instead of the bend toward integration we saw in this country during Ike's, JFK's and Lyndon's Administrations, sending Arab children into Jewish schools would be a sequel to Daniel in the Lion's Den without the happy ending. It should also go without saying Arabs in Jewish schools would receive a skewed narrative of the history of Palestine and the conflict that has raged there since 650,000 Jews imposed an ethnocracy on 1.35 million Arabs in 1948.

(COMMENT)

Don't make is sound as if the Arab is some sort of righteous victim. They are not.

Look at the odds. You say it yourself. 2:1 in favor of the Arab, not counting the rest of the Arab League. And the idea that "650,000 Jews imposed an ethnocracy on 1.35 million Arabs in 1948," is really absurd. Look at the history.

But that is not the discussion. The discussion is about how "very few Palestinian Arab parents" allow their children to go to better schools, and then cry "apartheid." In this case, if there is a charge of "apartheid" to be made, surely it would be against the Arab who self-segregates.

Most Respectfully,
R

What price do those "very few Palestinian Arab parents" pay to allow their children to attend "better schools?" Instruction in Hebrew only? History classes that deny al-Nakba? Since it wasn't Arabs placing Jews in barb-wire encircled camps during Israel's first decade of existence, it's hard to see any self-segregation on the part of Zionism's victims.

 

[Hossfly]

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

All change requires courage and strength.

Racism in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Israeli law does not prohibit Palestinian Arab parents from enrolling their children in Jewish schools, but in practice, very few Palestinian Arab parents do so.[24][26]"

Isn't it worth asking what treatment an Arab child would receive from his or her Jewish classmates? It seems to me the treatment would be similar to what Black students faced in white schools in Little Rock and Selma during the 1950s and '60s. Since the power of the Jewish state leans toward continued segregation instead of the bend toward integration we saw in this country during Ike's, JFK's and Lyndon's Administrations, sending Arab children into Jewish schools would be a sequel to Daniel in the Lion's Den without the happy ending. It should also go without saying Arabs in Jewish schools would receive a skewed narrative of the history of Palestine and the conflict that has raged there since 650,000 Jews imposed an ethnocracy on 1.35 million Arabs in 1948.

(COMMENT)

Don't make is sound as if the Arab is some sort of righteous victim. They are not.

Look at the odds. You say it yourself. 2:1 in favor of the Arab, not counting the rest of the Arab League. And the idea that "650,000 Jews imposed an ethnocracy on 1.35 million Arabs in 1948," is really absurd. Look at the history.

But that is not the discussion. The discussion is about how "very few Palestinian Arab parents" allow their children to go to better schools, and then cry "apartheid." In this case, if there is a charge of "apartheid" to be made, surely it would be against the Arab who self-segregates.

Most Respectfully,
R

What price do those "very few Palestinian Arab parents" pay to allow their children to attend "better schools?" Instruction in Hebrew only? History classes that deny al-Nakba? Since it wasn't Arabs placing Jews in barb-wire encircled camps during Israel's first decade of existence, it's hard to see any self-segregation on the part of Zionism's victims.

Does anyone really think that Georgie Boy spends any of his time on civil rights for any minority in America, whether this minority is comprised of Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. He just used the Arabs as pawns as he blabber away about what he thinks are their terrible conditions. So tell us, Georgie Boy, since you live in an area which is comprised mainly of El Salvadorans and Guatemalans and you are an English speaking person and one who probably graduated high school unless you dropped out, do you ever volunteer to help your neighbors' children since your neighbors are deficient in English and probably never had the chance to go to high school themselves, possibly not even past the 4th grade in their home country.. Tell us about all the good things you are doing for these Hispanic children to help them since their parents are unable to. Here is a Jewish group which started a program, and they are looking for volunteers. Are you up to it, Georgie Boy, or are you more comfortable just sitting in front of your computer dissing Israel?

KOREH L.A. Volunteer Reading Memories | KOREH L.A.

 

[georgephillip]

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

All change requires courage and strength.


(COMMENT)

Don't make is sound as if the Arab is some sort of righteous victim. They are not.

Look at the odds. You say it yourself. 2:1 in favor of the Arab, not counting the rest of the Arab League. And the idea that "650,000 Jews imposed an ethnocracy on 1.35 million Arabs in 1948," is really absurd. Look at the history.

But that is not the discussion. The discussion is about how "very few Palestinian Arab parents" allow their children to go to better schools, and then cry "apartheid." In this case, if there is a charge of "apartheid" to be made, surely it would be against the Arab who self-segregates.

Most Respectfully,
R

What price do those "very few Palestinian Arab parents" pay to allow their children to attend "better schools?" Instruction in Hebrew only? History classes that deny al-Nakba? Since it wasn't Arabs placing Jews in barb-wire encircled camps during Israel's first decade of existence, it's hard to see any self-segregation on the part of Zionism's victims.

Does anyone really think that Georgie Boy spends any of his time on civil rights for any minority in America, whether this minority is comprised of Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. He just used the Arabs as pawns as he blabber away about what he thinks are their terrible conditions. So tell us, Georgie Boy, since you live in an area which is comprised mainly of El Salvadorans and Guatemalans and you are an English speaking person and one who probably graduated high school unless you dropped out, do you ever volunteer to help your neighbors' children since your neighbors are deficient in English and probably never had the chance to go to high school themselves, possibly not even past the 4th grade in their home country.. Tell us about all the good things you are doing for these Hispanic children to help them since their parents are unable to. Here is a Jewish group which started a program, and they are looking for volunteers. Are you up to it, Georgie Boy, or are you more comfortable just sitting in front of your computer dissing Israel?

KOREH L.A. Volunteer Reading Memories | KOREH L.A.

Tell me how many hours every week you volunteer, Hossie.

"When the children of south Tel Aviv head back to school on Tuesday, kindergarteners will attend facilities that are segregated by race. The children of asylum seekers from sub-Saharan Africa will go to their kindergartens and all the other kids will go to their own. As of this year, the municipality of Israel's most liberal city decided that separate-but-equal for three-to-six year olds was the way to go—in 2013.

"According to a report published by Ynet (Hebrew edition), the city built the new preschools for black children after Jewish-Israeli residents of the inner city area threatened to keep their children at home rather than allow them to learn how to count, fingerpaint and play on the swings alongside their peers from Eritrea and Sudan."

Did you attend a segregated kindergarden?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/23/the-banality-of-racism-in-israel-s-most-liberal-city.html

 

[Hossfly]

What price do those "very few Palestinian Arab parents" pay to allow their children to attend "better schools?" Instruction in Hebrew only? History classes that deny al-Nakba? Since it wasn't Arabs placing Jews in barb-wire encircled camps during Israel's first decade of existence, it's hard to see any self-segregation on the part of Zionism's victims.

Does anyone really think that Georgie Boy spends any of his time on civil rights for any minority in America, whether this minority is comprised of Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. He just used the Arabs as pawns as he blabber away about what he thinks are their terrible conditions. So tell us, Georgie Boy, since you live in an area which is comprised mainly of El Salvadorans and Guatemalans and you are an English speaking person and one who probably graduated high school unless you dropped out, do you ever volunteer to help your neighbors' children since your neighbors are deficient in English and probably never had the chance to go to high school themselves, possibly not even past the 4th grade in their home country.. Tell us about all the good things you are doing for these Hispanic children to help them since their parents are unable to. Here is a Jewish group which started a program, and they are looking for volunteers. Are you up to it, Georgie Boy, or are you more comfortable just sitting in front of your computer dissing Israel?

KOREH L.A. Volunteer Reading Memories | KOREH L.A.

Tell me how many hours every week you volunteer, Hossie.

"When the children of south Tel Aviv head back to school on Tuesday, kindergarteners will attend facilities that are segregated by race. The children of asylum seekers from sub-Saharan Africa will go to their kindergartens and all the other kids will go to their own. As of this year, the municipality of Israel's most liberal city decided that separate-but-equal for three-to-six year olds was the way to go—in 2013.

"According to a report published by Ynet (Hebrew edition), the city built the new preschools for black children after Jewish-Israeli residents of the inner city area threatened to keep their children at home rather than allow them to learn how to count, fingerpaint and play on the swings alongside their peers from Eritrea and Sudan."

Did you attend a segregated kindergarden?

Israel's Most Liberal City Introduces Racially Segregated Kindergartens - The Daily Beast

Everything was segregated when I was a kid George. I didn't abide by the fact but that was life up until 1965. Things have changed so what's the issue?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

This is a legacy concept you have put forth here. You are promoting a common theme in HAMAS Jihadism.

P F Tinmore, georgephillip, et al,

All change requires courage and strength.

Racism in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Israeli law does not prohibit Palestinian Arab parents from enrolling their children in Jewish schools, but in practice, very few Palestinian Arab parents do so.[24][26]"

Isn't it worth asking what treatment an Arab child would receive from his or her Jewish classmates? It seems to me the treatment would be similar to what Black students faced in white schools in Little Rock and Selma during the 1950s and '60s. Since the power of the Jewish state leans toward continued segregation instead of the bend toward integration we saw in this country during Ike's, JFK's and Lyndon's Administrations, sending Arab children into Jewish schools would be a sequel to Daniel in the Lion's Den without the happy ending. It should also go without saying Arabs in Jewish schools would receive a skewed narrative of the history of Palestine and the conflict that has raged there since 650,000 Jews imposed an ethnocracy on 1.35 million Arabs in 1948.

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Don't make is sound as if the Arab is some sort of righteous victim. They are not.

Look at the odds. You say it yourself. 2:1 in favor of the Arab, not counting the rest of the Arab League. And the idea that "650,000 Jews imposed an ethnocracy on 1.35 million Arabs in 1948," is really absurd. Look at the history.

But that is not the discussion. The discussion is about how "very few Palestinian Arab parents" allow their children to go to better schools, and then cry "apartheid." In this case, if there is a charge of "apartheid" to be made, surely it would be against the Arab who self-segregates.

Most Respectfully,
R

What price do those "very few Palestinian Arab parents" pay to allow their children to attend "better schools?" Instruction in Hebrew only? History classes that deny al-Nakba? Since it wasn't Arabs placing Jews in barb-wire encircled camps during Israel's first decade of existence, it's hard to see any self-segregation on the part of Zionism's victims.

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Today, you are an advocate of Article 15 Jihadist ideology.

The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters.

It is necessary that scientists, educators and teachers, information and media people, as well as the educated masses, especially the youth and sheikhs of the Islamic movements, should take part in the operation of awakening (the masses). It is important that basic changes be made in the school curriculum, to cleanse it of the traces of ideological invasion that affected it as a result of the orientalists and missionaries who infiltrated the region following the defeat of the Crusaders at the hands of Salah el-Din (Saladin). The Crusaders realised that it was impossible to defeat the Moslems without first having ideological invasion pave the way by upsetting their thoughts, disfiguring their heritage and violating their ideals. Only then could they invade with soldiers. This, in its turn, paved the way for the imperialistic invasion that made Allenby declare on entering Jerusalem: "Only now have the Crusades ended." General Guru stood at Salah el-Din's grave and said: "We have returned, O Salah el-Din." Imperialism has helped towards the strengthening of ideological invasion, deepening, and still does, its roots. All this has paved the way towards the loss of Palestine.

It is necessary to instill in the minds of the Moslem generations that the Palestinian problem is a religious problem, and should be dealt with on this basis. Palestine contains Islamic holy sites. In it there is al- Aqsa Mosque which is bound to the great Mosque in Mecca in an inseparable bond as long as heaven and earth speak of Isra` (Mohammed's midnight journey to the seven heavens) and Mi'raj (Mohammed's ascension to the seven heavens from Jerusalem).

SOURCE: The Jihad for the Liberation of Palestine is an Individual Duty

Your complaint and justification for perpetuating a segregated school systems is so that the Palestinian can further the continuation of the pre-Israeli Independence solemn Jihadist oath.

6. The Secretary-General has been informed by the Arab Higher Committee that is determined to persist in its rejection of the partition plan and in its refusal to recognize the resolution of the Assembly and “anything deriving therefrom”. The Subsequent communication of 6 February to the Secretary-General from the representative of the Arab Higher Committee set forth the following conclusions of the Arab Higher Committee Delegation:

“a. The Arabs of Palestine will never recognize the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.

“b. The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power or group of powers to establish a Jewish State in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense by force.

c. It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said commission.

d. The United Nations or its commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.

e. The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.

f. The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.

g. The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.

“The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out – man women and child."​

SOURCE: A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948

This is not Israeli Apartheid; but the reverse. It is "Arab Palestinian Apartheid." Remember, there is no objection to Arab Israeli children attending the Jewish Schools by the Israelis. It is the Arab that wants it own schools for the purpose of meeting Jihadist goals.

Most Respectfully,
R