Is obama a socilist, or a fascist?

[TheGreatGatsby]

Obama is a crony socialist. People that can advance his political career will get thrown the most power and money. But he is not otherwise trying to implement socialism. As for being a facist; he has acted very much like a facist lately. He has been running military operations in our cities. He has sought to control all of the means and to oppress others. He has tried to control our lives at every turn.

A "crony" socialist: TGG has no idea of what he just wrote. The word TGG is trying to write is spelled fascist. Obama and the members of both parties who voted for the Patriot Act have moved personally toward totalitarianism, and that is scary.

The topic is not the state of Republicanism. It's whether Obama was a socialist and/or fascist.

And yes, Obama is a crony socialist. He has not advanced "fair" systems to even "redistribute" wealth. He has stole from some groups and given money and power to people that could advance his agenda. There has been countless examples of abuse and funds just thrown into the wind. But don't kid yourself, it's not just being thrown away. It's greasing the wheels of his political machine.

And we should be very concerned when Obama is creating enemies lists, running a TSA and other agencies that are akin to the SS.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

One of many definitions, none of which mention Left-Wing ideology at all.

Take another civics class, dumb fucks.

World English Dictionary
fascism (ˈfæʃɪzəm)

— n
1. any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism
2. any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc, that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc
3. prejudice in relation to the subject specified: body fascism

[C20: from Italian fascismo , from fascio political group, from Latin fascis bundle; see fasces ]

Fascism | Define Fascism at Dictionary.com

 

[JakeStarkey]

Obama is a crony socialist. People that can advance his political career will get thrown the most power and money. But he is not otherwise trying to implement socialism. As for being a facist; he has acted very much like a facist lately. He has been running military operations in our cities. He has sought to control all of the means and to oppress others. He has tried to control our lives at every turn.

A "crony" socialist: TGG has no idea of what he just wrote. The word TGG is trying to write is spelled fascist. Obama and the members of both parties who voted for the Patriot Act have moved personally toward totalitarianism, and that is scary.

The topic is not the state of Republicanism. It's whether Obama was a socialist and/or fascist. And yes, Obama is a crony socialist. He has not advanced "fair" systems to even "redistribute" wealth. He has stole from some groups and given money and power to people that could advance his agenda. There has been countless examples of abuse and funds just thrown into the wind. But don't kid yourself, it's not just being thrown away. It's greasing the wheels of his political machine. And we should be very concerned when Obama is creating enemies lists, running a TSA and other agencies that are akin to the SS.

You need to stay on topic, TGG, and stop making mistakes so we have to stop and get you back on the road every time.

You don't know what a crony capitalist is, because that is what Obama is doing, not socialism, you ignorant mind.

If you ever had the SS come to your door, you would never had written anything as ignorant as that above.

Stop listening to Beck and reading Skousen. They understand nothing, which means you are null version of those morons.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

bigrebnc shows absolute ignorance of political and historical terms and definitions, as well as of American history and narrative, when he writes, "Since obama is a left winger and he is a member of the Chicago New Party that would make him a socialist. And communist used socialism to enslave the people to the government."

Absolutely bigrebnc is one of the greatest fools every on the Board.

Jake must be off his meds again. he's talking shit like it was fact. You really should stay on therisperidone or maybe they should up the dosage

 

[francoHFW]

Pub dupes! Hilarious...if they didn't keep electing mega rich, greedy, incompetent, corrupt/cronyist Pubs.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

A "crony" socialist: TGG has no idea of what he just wrote. The word TGG is trying to write is spelled fascist. Obama and the members of both parties who voted for the Patriot Act have moved personally toward totalitarianism, and that is scary.

The topic is not the state of Republicanism. It's whether Obama was a socialist and/or fascist. And yes, Obama is a crony socialist. He has not advanced "fair" systems to even "redistribute" wealth. He has stole from some groups and given money and power to people that could advance his agenda. There has been countless examples of abuse and funds just thrown into the wind. But don't kid yourself, it's not just being thrown away. It's greasing the wheels of his political machine. And we should be very concerned when Obama is creating enemies lists, running a TSA and other agencies that are akin to the SS.

You need to stay on topic, TGG, and stop making mistakes so we have to stop and get you back on the road every time.

You don't know what a crony capitalist is, because that is what Obama is doing, not socialism, you ignorant mind.

If you ever had the SS come to your door, you would never had written anything as ignorant as that above.

Stop listening to Beck and reading Skousen. They understand nothing, which means you are null version of those morons.

Shut your face hack. I'm very on topic. And just b/c we haven't advanced 100 percent to Nazi Germany levels does not make the comparisons apt. There were those like you in the 20's and 30's Germany that would have tried to diminish the criticisms too.

And I didn't say crony capitalist. I said crony socialist. You're so busy thinking of ways to rudely comeback at me that you aren't even bothering to read what I'm saying troll. Hence, if you read what I'm saying, you'd know I'm 100 percent on topic troll. You might not agree with me, but I have not deviated from the topic. You on the other hand, have hypocrite.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The topic is not the state of Republicanism. It's whether Obama was a socialist and/or fascist. And yes, Obama is a crony socialist. He has not advanced "fair" systems to even "redistribute" wealth. He has stole from some groups and given money and power to people that could advance his agenda. There has been countless examples of abuse and funds just thrown into the wind. But don't kid yourself, it's not just being thrown away. It's greasing the wheels of his political machine. And we should be very concerned when Obama is creating enemies lists, running a TSA and other agencies that are akin to the SS.

You need to stay on topic, TGG, and stop making mistakes so we have to stop and get you back on the road every time.

You don't know what a crony capitalist is, because that is what Obama is doing, not socialism, you ignorant mind.

If you ever had the SS come to your door, you would never had written anything as ignorant as that above.

Stop listening to Beck and reading Skousen. They understand nothing, which means you are null version of those morons.

Shut your face hack. I'm very on topic. And just b/c we haven't advanced 100 percent to Nazi Germany levels does not make the comparisons apt. There were those like you in the 20's and 30's Germany that would have tried to diminish the criticisms too. And I didn't say crony capitalist. I said crony socialist. You're so busy thinking of ways to rudely comeback at me that you aren't even bothering to read what I'm saying troll. Hence, if you read what I'm saying, you'd know I'm 100 percent on topic troll. You might not agree with me, but I have not deviated from the topic. You on the other hand, have hypocrite.

Your way would take us to Nazi Germany from the far right, as you have been attempting. Those like us in the country would have fought the Nazis until we died, while you would have been trying to co-opt them, then you would have died, too.

I know exactly what you are saying and what you are trying to mean, but you are talking like a 9th grader in a 300 level history class. You don't have the basic knowledge base to discuss this. You did not say "crony capitalist" because you are mixing up what BHO is doing with crony socialism, which is not what he is doing. You don't understand the terms in their political and historical context.

Had you tried this in a college class on either modern European history or Nazi German in WWII, you would have flunked.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

You need to stay on topic, TGG, and stop making mistakes so we have to stop and get you back on the road every time.

You don't know what a crony capitalist is, because that is what Obama is doing, not socialism, you ignorant mind.

If you ever had the SS come to your door, you would never had written anything as ignorant as that above.

Stop listening to Beck and reading Skousen. They understand nothing, which means you are null version of those morons.

Shut your face hack. I'm very on topic. And just b/c we haven't advanced 100 percent to Nazi Germany levels does not make the comparisons apt. There were those like you in the 20's and 30's Germany that would have tried to diminish the criticisms too. And I didn't say crony capitalist. I said crony socialist. You're so busy thinking of ways to rudely comeback at me that you aren't even bothering to read what I'm saying troll. Hence, if you read what I'm saying, you'd know I'm 100 percent on topic troll. You might not agree with me, but I have not deviated from the topic. You on the other hand, have hypocrite.

Your way would take us to Nazi Germany from the far right, as you have been attempting. Those like us in the country would have fought the Nazis until we died, while you would have been trying to co-opt them, then you would have died, too.

I know exactly what you are saying and what you are trying to mean, but you are talking like a 9th grader in a 300 level history class. You don't have the basic knowledge base to discuss this. You did not say "crony capitalist" because you are mixing up what BHO is doing with crony socialism, which is not what he is doing. You don't understand the terms in their political and historical context.

Had you tried this in a college class on either modern European history or Nazi German in WWII, you would have flunked.

My way? Dude, I lean strongly towards libertarian values. Pull your head out of your ass.

And also, take your own damn advice and stick to the topic.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You need to stay on topic, TGG, and stop making mistakes so we have to stop and get you back on the road every time.

You don't know what a crony capitalist is, because that is what Obama is doing, not socialism, you ignorant mind.

If you ever had the SS come to your door, you would never had written anything as ignorant as that above.

Stop listening to Beck and reading Skousen. They understand nothing, which means you are null version of those morons.

Shut your face hack. I'm very on topic. And just b/c we haven't advanced 100 percent to Nazi Germany levels does not make the comparisons apt. There were those like you in the 20's and 30's Germany that would have tried to diminish the criticisms too. And I didn't say crony capitalist. I said crony socialist. You're so busy thinking of ways to rudely comeback at me that you aren't even bothering to read what I'm saying troll. Hence, if you read what I'm saying, you'd know I'm 100 percent on topic troll. You might not agree with me, but I have not deviated from the topic. You on the other hand, have hypocrite.

Your way would take us to Nazi Germany from the far right, as you have been attempting. Those like us in the country would have fought the Nazis until we died, while you would have been trying to co-opt them, then you would have died, too.

I know exactly what you are saying and what you are trying to mean, but you are talking like a 9th grader in a 300 level history class. You don't have the basic knowledge base to discuss this. You did not say "crony capitalist" because you are mixing up what BHO is doing with crony socialism, which is not what he is doing. You don't understand the terms in their political and historical context.

Had you tried this in a college class on either modern European history or Nazi German in WWII, you would have flunked.

Your way would take us to Nazi Germany from the far right, as you have been attempting. Those like us in the country would have fought the Nazis until we died, while you would have been trying to co-opt them, then you would have died, too.

Really? What in the fuck is obama doing?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Shut your face hack. I'm very on topic. And just b/c we haven't advanced 100 percent to Nazi Germany levels does not make the comparisons apt. There were those like you in the 20's and 30's Germany that would have tried to diminish the criticisms too. And I didn't say crony capitalist. I said crony socialist. You're so busy thinking of ways to rudely comeback at me that you aren't even bothering to read what I'm saying troll. Hence, if you read what I'm saying, you'd know I'm 100 percent on topic troll. You might not agree with me, but I have not deviated from the topic. You on the other hand, have hypocrite.

Your way would take us to Nazi Germany from the far right, as you have been attempting. Those like us in the country would have fought the Nazis until we died, while you would have been trying to co-opt them, then you would have died, too.

I know exactly what you are saying and what you are trying to mean, but you are talking like a 9th grader in a 300 level history class. You don't have the basic knowledge base to discuss this. You did not say "crony capitalist" because you are mixing up what BHO is doing with crony socialism, which is not what he is doing. You don't understand the terms in their political and historical context.

Had you tried this in a college class on either modern European history or Nazi German in WWII, you would have flunked.

My way? Dude, I lean strongly towards libertarian values. Pull your head out of your ass.

And also, take your own damn advice and stick to the topic.

Jake is a left leaning wacko or a troll.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Shut your face hack. I'm very on topic. And just b/c we haven't advanced 100 percent to Nazi Germany levels does not make the comparisons apt. There were those like you in the 20's and 30's Germany that would have tried to diminish the criticisms too. And I didn't say crony capitalist. I said crony socialist. You're so busy thinking of ways to rudely comeback at me that you aren't even bothering to read what I'm saying troll. Hence, if you read what I'm saying, you'd know I'm 100 percent on topic troll. You might not agree with me, but I have not deviated from the topic. You on the other hand, have hypocrite.

Your way would take us to Nazi Germany from the far right, as you have been attempting. Those like us in the country would have fought the Nazis until we died, while you would have been trying to co-opt them, then you would have died, too.

I know exactly what you are saying and what you are trying to mean, but you are talking like a 9th grader in a 300 level history class. You don't have the basic knowledge base to discuss this. You did not say "crony capitalist" because you are mixing up what BHO is doing with crony socialism, which is not what he is doing. You don't understand the terms in their political and historical context.

Had you tried this in a college class on either modern European history or Nazi German in WWII, you would have flunked.

My way? Dude, I lean strongly towards libertarian values. Pull your head out of your ass. And also, take your own damn advice and stick to the topic.

You went off topic and got corrected for it, your ignorance exposed yet again, and you hate it.

Tough.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Your way would take us to Nazi Germany from the far right, as you have been attempting. Those like us in the country would have fought the Nazis until we died, while you would have been trying to co-opt them, then you would have died, too.

I know exactly what you are saying and what you are trying to mean, but you are talking like a 9th grader in a 300 level history class. You don't have the basic knowledge base to discuss this. You did not say "crony capitalist" because you are mixing up what BHO is doing with crony socialism, which is not what he is doing. You don't understand the terms in their political and historical context.

Had you tried this in a college class on either modern European history or Nazi German in WWII, you would have flunked.

My way? Dude, I lean strongly towards libertarian values. Pull your head out of your ass. And also, take your own damn advice and stick to the topic.

You went off topic and got corrected for it, your ignorance exposed yet again, and you hate it.

Tough.

joley you were the one that went off topic stop being a troll

 

[Ernie S.]

Thanks for the Pub dupe psychobabble. Again, your RW "facts" are lies- Sig PP3- Pub dupes!

Fascism has never been argued to be LW until "Liberal Fascism" and Beck- pure hogwash.

How the hell do you keep loosing your 5th red splat?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

^^^
Get past your lame character assaults and stick to the topic at hand jake.

If I meant crony capitalism, I would have said that. I said crony socialism. Obama has time and time again advocated taxing/spending for social programs. But the spending is not at all fairly distributed. He has reveled in waste and excess. He has mortgaged the future for his political hackery.

I'm not a socialist, but if I were, Obama would not be my hero. He hasn't sought wage caps, fairer means of wage distribution for all, caps on income, penalties based on income, federal unemployment regardless of having lost a job or not. He has cut medicare, etc. No, Obama is not a socialist. He is a crony socialist.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are confusing the terms, TGG. Obama is not a socialist, you are not a mainstream American who understands economics and our history. That is very, very clear. And you gave a very clear answer to why BHO is not a crony socialist. You hung yourself with your own words.

Don't worry. Romney is going to win.

And he won't listen to your silliness anymore seriously than anyone else.

 

[Big Fitz]

I will link the rest of the article in a while, but I'd like to see discussion on this much of it, before I attribute it.

Politically, it is heads-I-win when things go right, and tails-you-lose when things go wrong. This is far preferable, from Obama's point of view, since it gives him a variety of scapegoats for all his failed policies, without having to use President Bush as a scapegoat all the time.

Government ownership of the means of production means that politicians also own the consequences of their policies, and have to face responsibility when those consequences are disastrous -- something that Barack Obama avoids like the plague.

Thus the Obama administration can arbitrarily force insurance companies to cover the children of their customers until the children are 26 years old. Obviously, this creates favorable publicity for President Obama. But if this and other government edicts cause insurance premiums to rise, then that is something that can be blamed on the "greed" of the insurance companies.

The same principle, or lack of principle, applies to many other privately owned businesses. It is a very successful political ploy that can be adapted to all sorts of situations.

One of the reasons why both pro-Obama and anti-Obama observers may be reluctant to see him as fascist is that both tend to accept the prevailing notion that fascism is on the political right, while it is obvious that Obama is on the political left.

Back in the 1920s, however, when fascism was a new political development, it was widely -- and correctly -- regarded as being on the political left. Jonah Goldberg's great book "Liberal Fascism" cites overwhelming evidence of the fascists' consistent pursuit of the goals of the left, and of the left's embrace of the fascists as one of their own during the 1920s.

Mussolini, the originator of fascism, was lionized by the left, both in Europe and in America, during the 1920s. Even Hitler, who adopted fascist ideas in the 1920s, was seen by some, including W.E.B. Du Bois, as a man of the left.

Socialist: "Thees ees now ze PEOPLE'S Factory. You weel now run it ze way zee party says or you will be sent to re-education and possible execution."

Fascist: "Zee party likes your factory and strongly zuggest it runs in a vay zat ve conzidder friendly to ze schtate. Ozzervise you vill be schott and be zold to annozer to operate prrrroperly."

Let's see... which one would *I* prefer???

 

[Big Fitz]

Pub dupes! Hilarious...if they didn't keep electing mega rich, greedy, incompetent, corrupt/cronyist Pubs.

Someday this bot's going to need a software upgrade to give it more responses beyond 'pub dupes'.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Jake, do you think I called BHO a socialist?

And blanket denials about BHO's crony socialism don't mean anything. I gave you rationale as to why he was a crony socialist. You have NOT given me rationale to the contrary.

And we've gotten that line from you million times that Romney will win and ignore people like me who are supposedly "far right." You sound like a broken record.

 

[Polk]

Fascism is rightist

Hitler, for example, spoke several times about how the Nazi's were building the 'perfect socialist state.'

Mussolini was a direct product of the Socialist Party.

As per usual, you haven't the slightest fucking idea what you are talking about.

A "perfect socialist state" which employed slave labor in the aims of maximizing corporate profits and executed communists.

As for Mussolini, his party also militantly went after communists. His granddaughter is still active in Italian politics today and is a member of parliament for a right-wing party.

 

[Peach]

ONG you are insane seek help for that mental problem you have.

Understanding history, and government, is not insane. Failing to understand these subjects isn't a mental illness either; it is just IGNORANCE. Fascism isn't left wing; the similarities between Fascism and Communism arise only when examining those entities that have been so governed, and by knowing what the phrases tossed around actually mean. "Marxist" is spit out by those who do not realize Karl Marx theorized the 'state' would fade away within a communist society. The former USSR, and China, have proven that theory to be false, thus far.

Fascism is a meld of corporate & government control of economic activity. Your confusion has arisen from the fact that actual 'communist' governments have invariably been totalitarian. Totalitarianism isn't an economic system, nor a form of government, it is the product of governments and economic systems with inherent flaws.

Understanding history, and government, is not insane. Failing to understand these subjects isn't a mental illness either; it is just IGNORANCE.

I suggest that you take some remedial courses

Fascism isn't left wing; the similarities between Fascism and Communism arise only when examining those entities that have been so governed, and by knowing what the phrases tossed around actually mean.

Since obama is a left winger and he is a member of the Chicago New Party that would make him a socialist. And communist used socialism to enslave the people to the government.

Communism USED socialism? I need no remedial courses, socialism precedes communism. Less state ownership, still the same principles; from government control of the economic system to absolute control of the all aspects of a citizen's life, based upon the theory of 'the good of all' citizens.