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The bold portion is true, but it's not about hiding the ball. That's a real, significant difference.
When the government requires anything it becomes controlled by the government.
Using that logic, every industry in this county is nationalized, because some form of restraint exists on every trade.
A little thing called WW2. Was in all the papers.
And? That doesn't show German business leaders thought supporting the Nazis was a mistake.
Those who didn't think it was wrong were found guilty of war crimes. Those who resisted were killed by the regime long before. So, you covertly control the means of production by installing stooges who are in name ONLY not members of the government while killing off the rightful owners who refused to be party to the attrocities.
How is this not the same as the Red Army marching in and saying, "These businesses are now stated owned. You are the people's employee. If you do not obey the state, you will be replaced to the gulag for re-education and disposal (not necessarily in that order) and a more willing manager of the people appointed."
What's the difference save for the stationary and job titles.
I vas only vollowing orderss is not a defense. Learned that at Nurenberg, didn't we?
merger of state and corporate power Sure sounds like socialism to me ...Communism....Marxism...All the same turd just different sides.
Why would a merger of state and corporate power equal socialism or communism? It would if the state controlled the means of production, but a merger of state and corporate power is actually stating something different. It's putting forward a vision of the state that serves the ends of corporate masters. To think of an American example, look back to the late 1800s, when the government would deploy the military to break up strikes. That's a a merger of state and corporate power, but the government didn't own the coal mines.
You think merger means something other than take control over????? That would explain why you don't understand the obvious.
When the government requires anything it becomes controlled by the government.
Using that logic, every industry in this county is nationalized, because some form of restraint exists on every trade.
That is where the weirdos jump in: somehow the decisions in a democratic republic become totalitarian or authoritarian. In fact, the losers can't accept they legitimately lost, and We the People disagree with them.
When the government requires anything it becomes controlled by the government.
Using that logic, every industry in this county is nationalized, because some form of restraint exists on every trade.
That is where the weirdos jump in: somehow the decisions in a democratic republic become totalitarian or authoritarian. In fact, the losers can't accept they legitimately lost, and We the People disagree with them.
The bold portion is true, but it's not about hiding the ball. That's a real, significant difference.
When the government requires anything it becomes controlled by the government.
When the government is run by We the People, and We the People make a particular decision, such as Social Security or AHA, then that is not totalitarian or authoritarian.
We the People have the right in a democratic republic to make such decisions.
And? That doesn't show German business leaders thought supporting the Nazis was a mistake.
Those who didn't think it was wrong were found guilty of war crimes. Those who resisted were killed by the regime long before. So, you covertly control the means of production by installing stooges who are in name ONLY not members of the government while killing off the rightful owners who refused to be party to the attrocities.
How is this not the same as the Red Army marching in and saying, "These businesses are now stated owned. You are the people's employee. If you do not obey the state, you will be replaced to the gulag for re-education and disposal (not necessarily in that order) and a more willing manager of the people appointed."
What's the difference save for the stationary and job titles.
I vas only vollowing orderss is not a defense. Learned that at Nurenberg, didn't we?
Because that's not what actually happened. The business community were strong supporters of the Nazi regime from the very beginning. They were buying in on the ground level of a system that would guarantee their profits.
Those who didn't think it was wrong were found guilty of war crimes. Those who resisted were killed by the regime long before. So, you covertly control the means of production by installing stooges who are in name ONLY not members of the government while killing off the rightful owners who refused to be party to the attrocities.
How is this not the same as the Red Army marching in and saying, "These businesses are now stated owned. You are the people's employee. If you do not obey the state, you will be replaced to the gulag for re-education and disposal (not necessarily in that order) and a more willing manager of the people appointed."
What's the difference save for the stationary and job titles.
I vas only vollowing orderss is not a defense. Learned that at Nurenberg, didn't we?
Because that's not what actually happened. The business community were strong supporters of the Nazi regime from the very beginning. They were buying in on the ground level of a system that would guarantee their profits.
yeah, that scrubbed it all clean now, didn't it?
Foxfyre is describing totalitarianism, not socialism, not as it has been practiced in western Europe off and on since the end of WWII.
Those who didn't think it was wrong were found guilty of war crimes. Those who resisted were killed by the regime long before. So, you covertly control the means of production by installing stooges who are in name ONLY not members of the government while killing off the rightful owners who refused to be party to the attrocities.
How is this not the same as the Red Army marching in and saying, "These businesses are now stated owned. You are the people's employee. If you do not obey the state, you will be replaced to the gulag for re-education and disposal (not necessarily in that order) and a more willing manager of the people appointed."
What's the difference save for the stationary and job titles.
I vas only vollowing orderss is not a defense. Learned that at Nurenberg, didn't we?
Because that's not what actually happened. The business community were strong supporters of the Nazi regime from the very beginning. They were buying in on the ground level of a system that would guarantee their profits.
yeah, that scrubbed it all clean now, didn't it?
Because that's not what actually happened. The business community were strong supporters of the Nazi regime from the very beginning. They were buying in on the ground level of a system that would guarantee their profits.
yeah, that scrubbed it all clean now, didn't it?
The Nazi regime either commanded the complete loyalty and compliance of the business owners or those business owners were quietly removed and loyal supporters were installed in their stead. If that wasn't feasible, the government took over and ran the business. And of course the complete and total power as well as the intent and motives of the Nazi regime were kept from the people who were being promised their own glorious "new deal" and were being fooled into believing it was for their benefit and via their consent. And so they showed up by the tens of thousands to wave the flag of the Third Reich and to hail Hitler as their deliverer, benefactor, and champion.
Of course by the time they realized that he was none of that, it was too late.
And I wonder if there are any Americans willing to learn from the lessons of history?
Sort of how Obama Merged GM with the government and fired their CEO?Why would a merger of state and corporate power equal socialism or communism? It would if the state controlled the means of production, but a merger of state and corporate power is actually stating something different. It's putting forward a vision of the state that serves the ends of corporate masters. To think of an American example, look back to the late 1800s, when the government would deploy the military to break up strikes. That's a a merger of state and corporate power, but the government didn't own the coal mines.
You think merger means something other than take control over????? That would explain why you don't understand the obvious.
A merger is a combination, not a subjugation.
Sort of how Obama Merged GM with the government and fired their CEO?You think merger means something other than take control over????? That would explain why you don't understand the obvious.
A merger is a combination, not a subjugation.
You think merger means something other than take control over????? That would explain why you don't understand the obvious.
A merger is a combination, not a subjugation.
Sort of how Obama Merged GM with the government and fired their CEO?
A merger is a combination, not a subjugation.
Sort of how Obama Merged GM with the government and fired their CEO?
No. That's not a merger. That actually is an example of a (temporary) government takeover. Same thing happened in the UK with Northern Rock. If you want an example of "the merger of state and corporate power", I provided one earlier in this thread: the use of the military to break up coal miner strikes in the late 1800s.
A merger is a combination, not a subjugation.
Sort of how Obama Merged GM with the government and fired their CEO?
No. That's not a merger. That actually is an example of a (temporary) government takeover. Same thing happened in the UK with Northern Rock. If you want an example of "the merger of state and corporate power", I provided one earlier in this thread: the use of the military to break up coal miner strikes in the late 1800s.
Since you guys are claiming the Nazis are left-wing, which parties did constitute the German right during the Weimar Republic?
