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Is Social Security welfare?

Is Social Security welfare?

  • Hell no. I paid for it and the money was saved in treasury bills for me

  • No. Granted nothing was actually saved, but our kids will pay for us then be repaid by their kids

  • Yes. But I still want it

  • Yes. End it. I don't want to do to my kids what my parents are doing to me, sending me their bills


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Federal taxes - paid into the general fund
Social security taxes - paid into the general fund

Government spending - paid out of the general fund
Social Security payments - paid out of the general fund
Welfare payments - paid out of the general fund

I need to learn what again, Holmes? You seem to be the one with catching up to do

Wrong again!

The Social Security Administration collects payroll taxes and uses the money collected to pay Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance benefits by way of trust funds. When the program runs a surplus, the excess funds increase the value of the Trust Fund. At the end of 2014, the Trust Fund contained (or alternatively, was owed) $2.79 trillion, up $25 billion from 2013.

Amazing how when the Government spends FICA taxes as they come in the money is still in a trust fund. Poof!


It's not a TRUST FUND. It's a bunch of IOUs that people who will never get SS will pay via heavy tax burdens for their entire lives.

Then how are you saying it's not welfare if you admit you're paying zero for your own benefits?

Because it takes two people paying into the system to cover one person. Welfare is very different than SS..


SS Started out with a huge ratio, that has declined significantly. Assuming the average monthly benefit is $1,500, that means each of those 2 people would be paying $750/month to the beneficiary. That is legally sanctioned MUGGING.

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Social Security History
 
Living below your means then means don't eat, don't buy clothes. Invest all of that teeny tiny paycheck.


Or it means: don't take on massive student loans or buy cars on 7 year subprime loans.... and live frugally, and don't worry about keeping up with the maxed out credit card Jonses.
 
And do not get married, have no kids, don't get educated, just start working out of high school for a whopping 12 bucks an hour. Then, maybe when you are 40 and a good hard worker you will be making 14 bucks an hour. Yes maybe, 50/50 shot of being able to save enough.
 
What is Social Security? Is it a savings plan with a trust fund? A money grubbing welfare program? What do you say?

Please explain in a post and state your political views, left, right, libertarian, whatever

You have to elucidate with which definition of 'welfare' are you using.
 
What is Social Security? Is it a savings plan with a trust fund? A money grubbing welfare program? What do you say?

Please explain in a post and state your political views, left, right, libertarian, whatever

You have to elucidate with which definition of 'welfare' are you using.

Yes just like finding out what "is" stands for..

Silly far left drone!
 
Only the extreme right kooks are for getting rid of it. Them and the one percent who don't need it.
 
No, people pay into the SS trust fund, welfare is free money paid by the tax payers that only a small (well medium, portion under far left rule) can apply for and get.

You still have to apply for SS, but if you meet the requirements most likely you will get it.

The money is spent as it comes in. How do you pay someone from a trust fund with no money in it? All the Feds did is write down what they spent

The money is spent as it comes in (not all of it, normally) so that the Trust Fund doesn't have to be drawn down. The Trust Fund grows every years mostly from the interest earned on its investment.
 
What is Social Security? Is it a savings plan with a trust fund? A money grubbing welfare program? What do you say?

Please explain in a post and state your political views, left, right, libertarian, whatever

You have to elucidate with which definition of 'welfare' are you using.

Yes just like finding out what "is" stands for..

Silly far left drone!

Since you gave an answer to my question in your first post, what does that make you?
 
No, people pay into the SS trust fund, welfare is free money paid by the tax payers that only a small (well medium, portion under far left rule) can apply for and get.

You still have to apply for SS, but if you meet the requirements most likely you will get it.

The money is spent as it comes in. How do you pay someone from a trust fund with no money in it? All the Feds did is write down what they spent

The money is spent as it comes in (not all of it, normally) so that the Trust Fund doesn't have to be drawn down. The Trust Fund grows every years mostly from the interest earned on its investment.

And the far left proves once again they do not understand SS..
 
What is Social Security? Is it a savings plan with a trust fund? A money grubbing welfare program? What do you say?

Please explain in a post and state your political views, left, right, libertarian, whatever

You have to elucidate with which definition of 'welfare' are you using.

Yes just like finding out what "is" stands for..

Silly far left drone!

Since you gave an answer to my question in your first post, what does that make you?

See how the far left will defend Bubba at all costs?
 
If it was to be changed/fixed, it would become a private forced savings plan per worker. Your account is yours. But you can only withdraw at fixed rate. Your heirs inherit. No risky investments allowed. it would be painful change at the start.

Yes I know, then it becomes a low risk 401K.
 
No, people pay into the SS trust fund, welfare is free money paid by the tax payers that only a small (well medium, portion under far left rule) can apply for and get.

You still have to apply for SS, but if you meet the requirements most likely you will get it.

The money is spent as it comes in. How do you pay someone from a trust fund with no money in it? All the Feds did is write down what they spent

The money is spent as it comes in (not all of it, normally) so that the Trust Fund doesn't have to be drawn down. The Trust Fund grows every years mostly from the interest earned on its investment.


Trust fund? Can anyone show an account with an actual savings balance? Not just "IOU". Is the money set aside, into savings account?
 
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No, people pay into the SS trust fund, welfare is free money paid by the tax payers that only a small (well medium, portion under far left rule) can apply for and get.

You still have to apply for SS, but if you meet the requirements most likely you will get it.

The money is spent as it comes in. How do you pay someone from a trust fund with no money in it? All the Feds did is write down what they spent

The money is spent as it comes in (not all of it, normally) so that the Trust Fund doesn't have to be drawn down. The Trust Fund grows every years mostly from the interest earned on its investment.

And the far left proves once again they do not understand SS..

The Trust Fund currently earns about 100 billion in annual interest.
 
Though it didn't start out that way, it has been a defacto welfare program since it's mockery of a trust fund was put on budget.

The whole mess is now just an inter-generational transfer payment theft scam.
 
Though it didn't start out that way, it has been a defacto welfare program since it's mockery of a trust fund was put on budget.

The whole mess is now just an inter-generational transfer payment theft scam.

Wrong. If past generations were taking out more than they put in, the Trust Fund would be depleting.
 
No, people pay into the SS trust fund, welfare is free money paid by the tax payers that only a small (well medium, portion under far left rule) can apply for and get.

You still have to apply for SS, but if you meet the requirements most likely you will get it.

The money is spent as it comes in. How do you pay someone from a trust fund with no money in it? All the Feds did is write down what they spent

The money is spent as it comes in (not all of it, normally) so that the Trust Fund doesn't have to be drawn down. The Trust Fund grows every years mostly from the interest earned on its investment.


Trust fund? Can anyone show an account with an actual savings balance? Not just "IOU". Is the money set aside, into savings account?

Your savings account at the bank is an IOU. The bank doesn't hold your money in a shoebox somewhere and pay you interest out of their own pocket.
 
No, people pay into the SS trust fund, welfare is free money paid by the tax payers that only a small (well medium, portion under far left rule) can apply for and get.

You still have to apply for SS, but if you meet the requirements most likely you will get it.

The money is spent as it comes in. How do you pay someone from a trust fund with no money in it? All the Feds did is write down what they spent

The money is spent as it comes in (not all of it, normally) so that the Trust Fund doesn't have to be drawn down. The Trust Fund grows every years mostly from the interest earned on its investment.


Trust fund? Can anyone show an account with an actual savings balance? Not just "IOU". Is the money set aside, into savings account?

Your savings account at the bank is an IOU. The bank doesn't hold your money in a shoebox somewhere and pay you interest out of their own pocket.

No, people pay into the SS trust fund, welfare is free money paid by the tax payers that only a small (well medium, portion under far left rule) can apply for and get.

You still have to apply for SS, but if you meet the requirements most likely you will get it.

The money is spent as it comes in. How do you pay someone from a trust fund with no money in it? All the Feds did is write down what they spent

The money is spent as it comes in (not all of it, normally) so that the Trust Fund doesn't have to be drawn down. The Trust Fund grows every years mostly from the interest earned on its investment.

And the far left proves once again they do not understand SS..

The Trust Fund currently earns about 100 billion in annual interest.

Link?

Come on far left drone prove your comments!
 
No, people pay into the SS trust fund, welfare is free money paid by the tax payers that only a small (well medium, portion under far left rule) can apply for and get.

You still have to apply for SS, but if you meet the requirements most likely you will get it.

The money is spent as it comes in. How do you pay someone from a trust fund with no money in it? All the Feds did is write down what they spent

The money is spent as it comes in (not all of it, normally) so that the Trust Fund doesn't have to be drawn down. The Trust Fund grows every years mostly from the interest earned on its investment.


Trust fund? Can anyone show an account with an actual savings balance? Not just "IOU". Is the money set aside, into savings account?

Our entire economy top to bottom, public sector private sector, runs on IOU's. Opponents of SS try to use the term IOU as if it represents money loaned that you have no chance of ever seeing again.
 
SS is just very slightly means tested so i don't think it qualifies as welfare. Your benefit is mostly determined by how much you paid in.
 

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