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No, that's why I started off this conversation with the word THEFT.When I deposit money in the bank it is not put into a lock box with my name on it. When i later draw it out it comes from who knows where. Money is fungible. Social Security is not much different except the tellers (congresscritters) dip into my deposits.I answered no but would have rather answered that it was theft.
So maybe you can do what the others can't. Explain how:
Government confiscating money from your children and sending it to someone else is welfare
Government confiscating money from your children and sending it to you is not welfare
A bank invests the money and it grows and they pay that money back to you, the money you paid in with real growth and real investments.
You see that as the same as Government spending your money as it comes in ... SPENDING ... not saving ... like a bank would. Seriously?
What does that have to do with that there is no money other than what is taken from your children either way? Again ...
Federal taxes - paid into the general fund
Social security taxes - paid into the general fund
Government spending - paid out of the general fund
Social Security payments - paid out of the general fund
Welfare payments - paid out of the general fund
Explain the difference
Social Security touches more people than just about any other federal program. At the end of 2014, according to the most recent trustees’ report, some 59 million Americans were receiving retirement, disability or survivors’ benefits from the system; the total cost was $848.5 billion. 166 million people paid payroll taxes into the system.
There is no system. All taxes collected go into the general fund and are spent out of the general fund. 100% of the money.
The SSA just records the amount that was spent in, writes down what it would have charged in interest if there was any actual money and calls it a "trust fund."
Do you have a military "trust fund" for the defense part of your tax payments? Of course not, that would be stupid. Ditto social security. The money was spent.
You voted for the politicians who did it to you
You voted for the politicians who spent the money instead of saving any of it
You paid the taxes for 40 years
Why do your children owe you for the money you squandered not being an adult about your own retirement?
I got no money for ya, kid. But I do have a tip for ya. Do the same thing to your kids ...
That may work for you, but it doesn't work for me. I do not want to do that to my children
I never vote far left! And they are the cause!
They also block all attempts to fix the problem!
Voting far left is never the answer!
I agree, but that doesn't make it not welfare. Government is simply taking money from your children and giving it to you, just like any other welfare program
There is a trust fund, but if it is not replenished correctly does not mean it is welfare!
Everything the government touches is usually mismanaged, but it does not change the fact that SS is a TRUST FUND!
And the size of SS makes it different in substance from any other welfare program in what way?Social Security touches more people than just about any other federal program. At the end of 2014, according to the most recent trustees’ report, some 59 million Americans were receiving retirement, disability or survivors’ benefits from the system; the total cost was $848.5 billion. 166 million people paid payroll taxes into the system.
No, that's why I started off this conversation with the word THEFT.When I deposit money in the bank it is not put into a lock box with my name on it. When i later draw it out it comes from who knows where. Money is fungible. Social Security is not much different except the tellers (congresscritters) dip into my deposits.I answered no but would have rather answered that it was theft.
So maybe you can do what the others can't. Explain how:
Government confiscating money from your children and sending it to someone else is welfare
Government confiscating money from your children and sending it to you is not welfare
A bank invests the money and it grows and they pay that money back to you, the money you paid in with real growth and real investments.
You see that as the same as Government spending your money as it comes in ... SPENDING ... not saving ... like a bank would. Seriously?
Pay attention
With this last post I place you on the liberal asshat list. You have no idea if I saved money or not, which we have. I paid SS taxes not defense taxes. You know what your sorry ass can do.I paid into it for 47 years, and some liberal piece of shit now says it's welfare? I don't think so. These idiots don't know what they are trifling with.If they end it, I want a refund of the last 30 years of paying into it. If you dont pay into it you should not receive it.
You paid defense taxes for 47 years. Is that a trust fund too?
It is irrelevant what you paid. What you didn't do was save. There is no money. You spent the money as it came in. Why do your kids owe you money for your being fiscally irresponsible about saving for your retirement?
Social Security is exactly you saving $100 a paycheck and spending that $100 at the grocery store. Now 47 years later with no money you want your kids to pay it back to you ...
Your children pay taxes, those taxes are sent to you. Just like any other welfare check
They are not paying me anything.No, that's why I started off this conversation with the word THEFT.When I deposit money in the bank it is not put into a lock box with my name on it. When i later draw it out it comes from who knows where. Money is fungible. Social Security is not much different except the tellers (congresscritters) dip into my deposits.I answered no but would have rather answered that it was theft.
So maybe you can do what the others can't. Explain how:
Government confiscating money from your children and sending it to someone else is welfare
Government confiscating money from your children and sending it to you is not welfare
A bank invests the money and it grows and they pay that money back to you, the money you paid in with real growth and real investments.
You see that as the same as Government spending your money as it comes in ... SPENDING ... not saving ... like a bank would. Seriously?
Pay attention
Right, but you voted in the politicians who did it to you and you had all the information what they were doing.
How then does you turning around and stealing from your children for your irresponsible behavior make it right?
They are paying you money when you saved none. Just like any other welfare recipient.
It's not a TRUST FUND. It's a bunch of IOUs that people who will never get SS will pay via heavy tax burdens for their entire lives.
Then how are you saying it's not welfare if you admit you're paying zero for your own benefits?
Because it takes two people paying into the system to cover one person. Welfare is very different than SS..
SS Started out with a huge ratio, that has declined significantly. Assuming the average monthly benefit is $1,500, that means each of those 2 people would be paying $750/month to the beneficiary. That is legally sanctioned MUGGING.
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Social Security History
I agree, but I still don't understand your argument it's "not welfare." It seems like you keep agreeing with what I say then you say it's not welfare. How so?
Welfare - money is taken from your children and given to someone
Social Security - money is taken from your children and given to you
Nothing you paid was ever saved. How is social security "not welfare" when it works exactly like welfare?
No, SS is not welfare taken from one's children and given to oneself.
It is money seized by the government and then given to total strangers. And the courts have ruled that SS is not a guaranteed right. The Feds can totally deny one one's SS payments.
And the size of SS makes it different in substance from any other welfare program in what way?Social Security touches more people than just about any other federal program. At the end of 2014, according to the most recent trustees’ report, some 59 million Americans were receiving retirement, disability or survivors’ benefits from the system; the total cost was $848.5 billion. 166 million people paid payroll taxes into the system.
They are not paying me anything.No, that's why I started off this conversation with the word THEFT.When I deposit money in the bank it is not put into a lock box with my name on it. When i later draw it out it comes from who knows where. Money is fungible. Social Security is not much different except the tellers (congresscritters) dip into my deposits.So maybe you can do what the others can't. Explain how:
Government confiscating money from your children and sending it to someone else is welfare
Government confiscating money from your children and sending it to you is not welfare
A bank invests the money and it grows and they pay that money back to you, the money you paid in with real growth and real investments.
You see that as the same as Government spending your money as it comes in ... SPENDING ... not saving ... like a bank would. Seriously?
Pay attention
Right, but you voted in the politicians who did it to you and you had all the information what they were doing.
How then does you turning around and stealing from your children for your irresponsible behavior make it right?
They are paying you money when you saved none. Just like any other welfare recipient.
And the size of SS makes it different in substance from any other welfare program in what way?Social Security touches more people than just about any other federal program. At the end of 2014, according to the most recent trustees’ report, some 59 million Americans were receiving retirement, disability or survivors’ benefits from the system; the total cost was $848.5 billion. 166 million people paid payroll taxes into the system.
No matter how much you make you can get your money from SS..
Welfare is limited to those that are considered poor, even some SS recipients can qualify for welfare. The difference is that SS is based on a system that you paid into for later use, taxes that are collected year to year are designed to pay for welfare precipitants that year and no one is entitled to either program..
Then how are you saying it's not welfare if you admit you're paying zero for your own benefits?
Because it takes two people paying into the system to cover one person. Welfare is very different than SS..
SS Started out with a huge ratio, that has declined significantly. Assuming the average monthly benefit is $1,500, that means each of those 2 people would be paying $750/month to the beneficiary. That is legally sanctioned MUGGING.
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Social Security History
I agree, but I still don't understand your argument it's "not welfare." It seems like you keep agreeing with what I say then you say it's not welfare. How so?
Welfare - money is taken from your children and given to someone
Social Security - money is taken from your children and given to you
Nothing you paid was ever saved. How is social security "not welfare" when it works exactly like welfare?
No, SS is not welfare taken from one's children and given to oneself.
It is money seized by the government and then given to total strangers. And the courts have ruled that SS is not a guaranteed right. The Feds can totally deny one one's SS payments.
When I say our children and ourselves, obviously I'm talking about the generations.
You keep saying it's not welfare and then everything else you say seems to agree with me that it's welfare. I'm completely unclear on that
Social Security is not welfare....But Senate Pension Plans are
Welfare - government takes $ from your children and gives it to someone else
Social Security - government takes $ from your children and gives it to you
Explain how that is not welfare, it's exactly like welfare
Lets see, I have paid taxes and Social Security my whole life.. The only people who got anything free were the first generations of SS...
Each generation pays for the one before it...but all that will change for our children because of the greedy thieves trying to say that it is an entitlement ..
It is a social insurance program that should be changed into a welfare program. It is bizarre that Bill Gates and Donald Trump collect SS checks.What is Social Security? Is it a savings plan with a trust fund? A money grubbing welfare program? What do you say?
Please explain in a post and state your political views, left, right, libertarian, whatever
Because it takes two people paying into the system to cover one person. Welfare is very different than SS..
SS Started out with a huge ratio, that has declined significantly. Assuming the average monthly benefit is $1,500, that means each of those 2 people would be paying $750/month to the beneficiary. That is legally sanctioned MUGGING.
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Social Security History
I agree, but I still don't understand your argument it's "not welfare." It seems like you keep agreeing with what I say then you say it's not welfare. How so?
Welfare - money is taken from your children and given to someone
Social Security - money is taken from your children and given to you
Nothing you paid was ever saved. How is social security "not welfare" when it works exactly like welfare?
No, SS is not welfare taken from one's children and given to oneself.
It is money seized by the government and then given to total strangers. And the courts have ruled that SS is not a guaranteed right. The Feds can totally deny one one's SS payments.
When I say our children and ourselves, obviously I'm talking about the generations.
You keep saying it's not welfare and then everything else you say seems to agree with me that it's welfare. I'm completely unclear on that
Social Security has been a promise to Americans since it was signed into law in 1936. The first payments went out in 1941 and they have continued ever since. However, it is an entitlement, not welfare.
Read more: Is Social Security considered to be welfare? | Investopedia http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/102715/social-security-considered-be-welfare.asp#ixzz4SYRwh9qP
It is a social insurance program that should be changed into a welfare program. It is bizarre that Bill Gates and Donald Trump collect SS checks.What is Social Security? Is it a savings plan with a trust fund? A money grubbing welfare program? What do you say?
Please explain in a post and state your political views, left, right, libertarian, whatever
SS Started out with a huge ratio, that has declined significantly. Assuming the average monthly benefit is $1,500, that means each of those 2 people would be paying $750/month to the beneficiary. That is legally sanctioned MUGGING.
View attachment 101578
Social Security History
I agree, but I still don't understand your argument it's "not welfare." It seems like you keep agreeing with what I say then you say it's not welfare. How so?
Welfare - money is taken from your children and given to someone
Social Security - money is taken from your children and given to you
Nothing you paid was ever saved. How is social security "not welfare" when it works exactly like welfare?
No, SS is not welfare taken from one's children and given to oneself.
It is money seized by the government and then given to total strangers. And the courts have ruled that SS is not a guaranteed right. The Feds can totally deny one one's SS payments.
When I say our children and ourselves, obviously I'm talking about the generations.
You keep saying it's not welfare and then everything else you say seems to agree with me that it's welfare. I'm completely unclear on that
Social Security has been a promise to Americans since it was signed into law in 1936. The first payments went out in 1941 and they have continued ever since. However, it is an entitlement, not welfare.
Read more: Is Social Security considered to be welfare? | Investopedia http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/102715/social-security-considered-be-welfare.asp#ixzz4SYRwh9qP
Promising people welfare makes it not welfare? How does that make sense?
I agree, but I still don't understand your argument it's "not welfare." It seems like you keep agreeing with what I say then you say it's not welfare. How so?
Welfare - money is taken from your children and given to someone
Social Security - money is taken from your children and given to you
Nothing you paid was ever saved. How is social security "not welfare" when it works exactly like welfare?
No, SS is not welfare taken from one's children and given to oneself.
It is money seized by the government and then given to total strangers. And the courts have ruled that SS is not a guaranteed right. The Feds can totally deny one one's SS payments.
When I say our children and ourselves, obviously I'm talking about the generations.
You keep saying it's not welfare and then everything else you say seems to agree with me that it's welfare. I'm completely unclear on that
Social Security has been a promise to Americans since it was signed into law in 1936. The first payments went out in 1941 and they have continued ever since. However, it is an entitlement, not welfare.
Read more: Is Social Security considered to be welfare? | Investopedia http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/102715/social-security-considered-be-welfare.asp#ixzz4SYRwh9qP
Promising people welfare makes it not welfare? How does that make sense?
Show where all American are promised Welfare?
No, SS is not welfare taken from one's children and given to oneself.
It is money seized by the government and then given to total strangers. And the courts have ruled that SS is not a guaranteed right. The Feds can totally deny one one's SS payments.
When I say our children and ourselves, obviously I'm talking about the generations.
You keep saying it's not welfare and then everything else you say seems to agree with me that it's welfare. I'm completely unclear on that
Social Security has been a promise to Americans since it was signed into law in 1936. The first payments went out in 1941 and they have continued ever since. However, it is an entitlement, not welfare.
Read more: Is Social Security considered to be welfare? | Investopedia http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/102715/social-security-considered-be-welfare.asp#ixzz4SYRwh9qP
Promising people welfare makes it not welfare? How does that make sense?
Show where all American are promised Welfare?
Um ... it was your point, Holmes. I color coded it for ya
So there's no means test. Big deal. There's no means test for big suburban government schools, and you'd have an impossible task to argue that those aren't a welfare program for the middle and upper classes.No matter how much you make you can get your money from SS..
Welfare is limited to those that are considered poor, even some SS recipients can qualify for welfare. The difference is that SS is based on a system that you paid into for later use, taxes that are collected year to year are designed to pay for welfare precipitants that year and no one is entitled to either program..
When I say our children and ourselves, obviously I'm talking about the generations.
You keep saying it's not welfare and then everything else you say seems to agree with me that it's welfare. I'm completely unclear on that
Social Security has been a promise to Americans since it was signed into law in 1936. The first payments went out in 1941 and they have continued ever since. However, it is an entitlement, not welfare.
Read more: Is Social Security considered to be welfare? | Investopedia http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/102715/social-security-considered-be-welfare.asp#ixzz4SYRwh9qP
Promising people welfare makes it not welfare? How does that make sense?
Show where all American are promised Welfare?
Um ... it was your point, Holmes. I color coded it for ya
No I said SS not welfare they are different..
And it has been proven as such!
