Is the Democratic Party waking up?

[JustAGuy1]

Here we go again.

I consider myself a left-leaning Independent. My specific stands on the issues are located in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I can't be much more open or forthcoming than that.

By today's terminology, I might be considered a Blue Dog. I'm fine with that. There are issues on which I think the current version of the Democratic Party is simply repugnant, and I bring them up regularly. Unlike wingers, I'm more than willing to hold my "side" accountable for its bullshit, and I feel zero (0) obligation to spin and/or lie for it.

And I've made it more than clear that I'm not fond of wingers in either party. I don't think they're either honest or honorable, and I think they're causing the country profound harm.

That's as clear as I can make it.
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You didn't respond to anything in my post.

Good gawd. I wish we could just discuss the OP.

I would hold Manchin up as someone as close to moderate as it gets today. I see that you disagree.

He's a senator from a very red state. Why Manchin in particular? He's kind of pigeon holed over there. Why not Klobuchar? She's actually running for president and is moderate/center left which the Democratic party as a whole is more closely aligned with.

I'm sorry you don't consider me "to be able to accurately gauge what is too liberal, moderate or conservative."

You tell us everyday how both sides are the same. There is no Trump, there is no army of Trump like trolls on the left. The most extreme position held by liberals that draws the most consternation among moderates is medicare 4 all. On the right apparently its nuking hurricanes and lying about anything and everything.

If you want to think that the Democrats are a larger tent than Republicans, fine. I think that's possible, but the topic just isn't important to me.

So its not important if there are multiple positions taken within the Democratic party you'd just rather talk only about the far left of it? Seems a little disingenuous.

I'm glad you're proud.

That I belong to a party in all it's imperfections (and there are many) that it has members from all walks of life who bring their own experiences and solutions unlike the GOP? Yeah, I'm kind of proud of that. Much better than cherry picking people in the party I don't politically align with just so I have something to talk about.

Yes, Sanders is too far Left for me.

He certainly is far left in this country but he's not really if you compare his policies to other democracies. Sanders by far is not my first choice but I wouldn't hesitate a second to vote for him in November.

Anything else?
.

Not really.

" there is no army of Trump like trolls on the left."

Throwing the BS Flag here.

This is the forum for trolls so why not.

Here and in the real world there an untold number of left wing trolls.

 

[HappyJoy]

Does the Democratic party have liberals? Duh. Should it be surprising that liberals will run for president as a Democrat? Duh.

The Democratic party is a larger tent than Republicans. While Sanders won New Hampshire, his vote share at the same time was dwarfed by Pete, Amy and Joe who combined got over 52% of the vote. The Democratic party is always going to be a brawl between moderates and liberals which I'm fine with, at least they debate from different sides which is more than I can say about the Trump fan club which is what the GOP has devolved into.

Is Sanders too far left? Is Bloomberg too moderate? They are both beating Trump in the polls, we'll have to wait and see.

I wouldn't hold Manchin up as an example of moderation. He's a an old hat Democrat trying to survive in a deep, deep red state, he's not what I would consider an accurate barometer on the views of Democratic Socialists in the Democratic party as he runs well to the right of most. For the record I don't have a problem with him, different opinions are valued in big tent parties.

AOC and Manchin in the same party, it's one of the few things that makes me proud to belong to a political party, diversity of opinion and background.

So, Mac if Sanders is too far left for you, even though his policies are pretty standard fare for most democratic countries then that's fine, but you like Manchin are also not someone I would consider to be able to accurately gauge what is too liberal, moderate or conservative.

Look forward to your immediate dismissal of my post.

Here we go again.

I consider myself a left-leaning Independent. My specific stands on the issues are located in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I can't be much more open or forthcoming than that.

By today's terminology, I might be considered a Blue Dog. I'm fine with that. There are issues on which I think the current version of the Democratic Party is simply repugnant, and I bring them up regularly. Unlike wingers, I'm more than willing to hold my "side" accountable for its bullshit, and I feel zero (0) obligation to spin and/or lie for it.

And I've made it more than clear that I'm not fond of wingers in either party. I don't think they're either honest or honorable, and I think they're causing the country profound harm.

That's as clear as I can make it.
.

You didn't respond to anything in my post.

Good gawd. I wish we could just discuss the OP.

I would hold Manchin up as someone as close to moderate as it gets today. I see that you disagree.

He's a senator from a very red state. Why Manchin in particular? He's kind of pigeon holed over there. Why not Klobuchar? She's actually running for president and is moderate/center left which the Democratic party as a whole is more closely aligned with.

I'm sorry you don't consider me "to be able to accurately gauge what is too liberal, moderate or conservative."

You tell us everyday how both sides are the same. There is no Trump, there is no army of Trump like trolls on the left. The most extreme position held by liberals that draws the most consternation among moderates is medicare 4 all. On the right apparently its nuking hurricanes and lying about anything and everything.

If you want to think that the Democrats are a larger tent than Republicans, fine. I think that's possible, but the topic just isn't important to me.

So its not important if there are multiple positions taken within the Democratic party you'd just rather talk only about the far left of it? Seems a little disingenuous.

I'm glad you're proud.

That I belong to a party in all it's imperfections (and there are many) that it has members from all walks of life who bring their own experiences and solutions unlike the GOP? Yeah, I'm kind of proud of that. Much better than cherry picking people in the party I don't politically align with just so I have something to talk about.

Yes, Sanders is too far Left for me.

He certainly is far left in this country but he's not really if you compare his policies to other democracies. Sanders by far is not my first choice but I wouldn't hesitate a second to vote for him in November.

Anything else?
.

Not really.

Manchin strikes me as honest and decent.

Didn't say he wasn't.

I have never said that "both sides are the same". Never. Not ever. Not once. Do you know what I actually say? It's different.

You say the extremists. Who on this board are the extremists?

Yes, I usually discuss and criticize the Far Left because I think they are often dishonest, bigoted and illiberal, and I think the left side of the spectrum should be better than that.

Who? Sanders? Because you don't agree with him he's a bigot and just like the Nazis on the right? Strange.

I have too many disagreements with both parties to belong to either. I think that's allowed.

Who said it wasn't?

I don't care if Sanders isn't too liberal for other countries. I live in this one.
.

I understand. Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. Sanders is not a threat to the world or our own Constitution, Trump is.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Here we go again.

I consider myself a left-leaning Independent. My specific stands on the issues are located in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I can't be much more open or forthcoming than that.

By today's terminology, I might be considered a Blue Dog. I'm fine with that. There are issues on which I think the current version of the Democratic Party is simply repugnant, and I bring them up regularly. Unlike wingers, I'm more than willing to hold my "side" accountable for its bullshit, and I feel zero (0) obligation to spin and/or lie for it.

And I've made it more than clear that I'm not fond of wingers in either party. I don't think they're either honest or honorable, and I think they're causing the country profound harm.

That's as clear as I can make it.
.

You didn't respond to anything in my post.

Good gawd. I wish we could just discuss the OP.

I would hold Manchin up as someone as close to moderate as it gets today. I see that you disagree.

He's a senator from a very red state. Why Manchin in particular? He's kind of pigeon holed over there. Why not Klobuchar? She's actually running for president and is moderate/center left which the Democratic party as a whole is more closely aligned with.

I'm sorry you don't consider me "to be able to accurately gauge what is too liberal, moderate or conservative."

You tell us everyday how both sides are the same. There is no Trump, there is no army of Trump like trolls on the left. The most extreme position held by liberals that draws the most consternation among moderates is medicare 4 all. On the right apparently its nuking hurricanes and lying about anything and everything.

If you want to think that the Democrats are a larger tent than Republicans, fine. I think that's possible, but the topic just isn't important to me.

So its not important if there are multiple positions taken within the Democratic party you'd just rather talk only about the far left of it? Seems a little disingenuous.

I'm glad you're proud.

That I belong to a party in all it's imperfections (and there are many) that it has members from all walks of life who bring their own experiences and solutions unlike the GOP? Yeah, I'm kind of proud of that. Much better than cherry picking people in the party I don't politically align with just so I have something to talk about.

Yes, Sanders is too far Left for me.

He certainly is far left in this country but he's not really if you compare his policies to other democracies. Sanders by far is not my first choice but I wouldn't hesitate a second to vote for him in November.

Anything else?
.

Not really.

Manchin strikes me as honest and decent.

Didn't say he wasn't.

I have never said that "both sides are the same". Never. Not ever. Not once. Do you know what I actually say? It's different.

You say the extremists. Who on this board are the extremists?

Yes, I usually discuss and criticize the Far Left because I think they are often dishonest, bigoted and illiberal, and I think the left side of the spectrum should be better than that.

Who? Sanders? Because you don't agree with him he's a bigot and just like the Nazis on the right? Strange.

I have too many disagreements with both parties to belong to either. I think that's allowed.

Who said it wasn't?

I don't care if Sanders isn't too liberal for other countries. I live in this one.
.

I understand. Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. Sanders is not a threat to the world or our own Constitution, Trump is.

The more you type the more you reveal yourself to be a "winger". Rump is an as* but he is no danger to the country or the Constitution.

 

[HappyJoy]

You didn't respond to anything in my post.

Good gawd. I wish we could just discuss the OP.

I would hold Manchin up as someone as close to moderate as it gets today. I see that you disagree.

He's a senator from a very red state. Why Manchin in particular? He's kind of pigeon holed over there. Why not Klobuchar? She's actually running for president and is moderate/center left which the Democratic party as a whole is more closely aligned with.

I'm sorry you don't consider me "to be able to accurately gauge what is too liberal, moderate or conservative."

You tell us everyday how both sides are the same. There is no Trump, there is no army of Trump like trolls on the left. The most extreme position held by liberals that draws the most consternation among moderates is medicare 4 all. On the right apparently its nuking hurricanes and lying about anything and everything.

If you want to think that the Democrats are a larger tent than Republicans, fine. I think that's possible, but the topic just isn't important to me.

So its not important if there are multiple positions taken within the Democratic party you'd just rather talk only about the far left of it? Seems a little disingenuous.

I'm glad you're proud.

That I belong to a party in all it's imperfections (and there are many) that it has members from all walks of life who bring their own experiences and solutions unlike the GOP? Yeah, I'm kind of proud of that. Much better than cherry picking people in the party I don't politically align with just so I have something to talk about.

Yes, Sanders is too far Left for me.

He certainly is far left in this country but he's not really if you compare his policies to other democracies. Sanders by far is not my first choice but I wouldn't hesitate a second to vote for him in November.

Anything else?
.

Not really.

" there is no army of Trump like trolls on the left."

Throwing the BS Flag here.

This is the forum for trolls so why not.

Here and in the real world there an untold number of left wing trolls.

If you say so. I don't have an army of anonymous people, many of whom are bots created in Russia to help prove my point.

 

[HappyJoy]

You didn't respond to anything in my post.

Good gawd. I wish we could just discuss the OP.

I would hold Manchin up as someone as close to moderate as it gets today. I see that you disagree.

He's a senator from a very red state. Why Manchin in particular? He's kind of pigeon holed over there. Why not Klobuchar? She's actually running for president and is moderate/center left which the Democratic party as a whole is more closely aligned with.

I'm sorry you don't consider me "to be able to accurately gauge what is too liberal, moderate or conservative."

You tell us everyday how both sides are the same. There is no Trump, there is no army of Trump like trolls on the left. The most extreme position held by liberals that draws the most consternation among moderates is medicare 4 all. On the right apparently its nuking hurricanes and lying about anything and everything.

If you want to think that the Democrats are a larger tent than Republicans, fine. I think that's possible, but the topic just isn't important to me.

So its not important if there are multiple positions taken within the Democratic party you'd just rather talk only about the far left of it? Seems a little disingenuous.

I'm glad you're proud.

That I belong to a party in all it's imperfections (and there are many) that it has members from all walks of life who bring their own experiences and solutions unlike the GOP? Yeah, I'm kind of proud of that. Much better than cherry picking people in the party I don't politically align with just so I have something to talk about.

Yes, Sanders is too far Left for me.

He certainly is far left in this country but he's not really if you compare his policies to other democracies. Sanders by far is not my first choice but I wouldn't hesitate a second to vote for him in November.

Anything else?
.

Not really.

Manchin strikes me as honest and decent.

Didn't say he wasn't.

I have never said that "both sides are the same". Never. Not ever. Not once. Do you know what I actually say? It's different.

You say the extremists. Who on this board are the extremists?

Yes, I usually discuss and criticize the Far Left because I think they are often dishonest, bigoted and illiberal, and I think the left side of the spectrum should be better than that.

Who? Sanders? Because you don't agree with him he's a bigot and just like the Nazis on the right? Strange.

I have too many disagreements with both parties to belong to either. I think that's allowed.

Who said it wasn't?

I don't care if Sanders isn't too liberal for other countries. I live in this one.
.

I understand. Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. Sanders is not a threat to the world or our own Constitution, Trump is.

The more you type the more you reveal yourself to be a "winger". Rump is an as* but he is no danger to the country or the Constitution.

If you say so, troll.

 

[Mac1958]

Here we go again.

I consider myself a left-leaning Independent. My specific stands on the issues are located in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I can't be much more open or forthcoming than that.

By today's terminology, I might be considered a Blue Dog. I'm fine with that. There are issues on which I think the current version of the Democratic Party is simply repugnant, and I bring them up regularly. Unlike wingers, I'm more than willing to hold my "side" accountable for its bullshit, and I feel zero (0) obligation to spin and/or lie for it.

And I've made it more than clear that I'm not fond of wingers in either party. I don't think they're either honest or honorable, and I think they're causing the country profound harm.

That's as clear as I can make it.
.

You didn't respond to anything in my post.

Good gawd. I wish we could just discuss the OP.

I would hold Manchin up as someone as close to moderate as it gets today. I see that you disagree.

He's a senator from a very red state. Why Manchin in particular? He's kind of pigeon holed over there. Why not Klobuchar? She's actually running for president and is moderate/center left which the Democratic party as a whole is more closely aligned with.

I'm sorry you don't consider me "to be able to accurately gauge what is too liberal, moderate or conservative."

You tell us everyday how both sides are the same. There is no Trump, there is no army of Trump like trolls on the left. The most extreme position held by liberals that draws the most consternation among moderates is medicare 4 all. On the right apparently its nuking hurricanes and lying about anything and everything.

If you want to think that the Democrats are a larger tent than Republicans, fine. I think that's possible, but the topic just isn't important to me.

So its not important if there are multiple positions taken within the Democratic party you'd just rather talk only about the far left of it? Seems a little disingenuous.

I'm glad you're proud.

That I belong to a party in all it's imperfections (and there are many) that it has members from all walks of life who bring their own experiences and solutions unlike the GOP? Yeah, I'm kind of proud of that. Much better than cherry picking people in the party I don't politically align with just so I have something to talk about.

Yes, Sanders is too far Left for me.

He certainly is far left in this country but he's not really if you compare his policies to other democracies. Sanders by far is not my first choice but I wouldn't hesitate a second to vote for him in November.

Anything else?
.

Not really.

Manchin strikes me as honest and decent.

Didn't say he wasn't.

I have never said that "both sides are the same". Never. Not ever. Not once. Do you know what I actually say? It's different.

You say the extremists. Who on this board are the extremists?

Yes, I usually discuss and criticize the Far Left because I think they are often dishonest, bigoted and illiberal, and I think the left side of the spectrum should be better than that.

Who? Sanders? Because you don't agree with him he's a bigot and just like the Nazis on the right? Strange.

I have too many disagreements with both parties to belong to either. I think that's allowed.

Who said it wasn't?

I don't care if Sanders isn't too liberal for other countries. I live in this one.
.

I understand. Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. Sanders is not a threat to the world or our own Constitution, Trump is.

I don't use the word "extremists".

Please quote me saying Sanders is a "bigot and just like the Nazis on the Right", or anything close. You won't be able to, because you just made that up.

I don't care if Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. He's too far Left for me.
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[bluzman61]

Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

Here's hoping.

From the linked piece:
“If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he’ll have to moderate. I’m not going socialist. Never been a socialist,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. “If he doesn’t change, I’ve got a dilemma there. We’ll see. But we’re talking about hypotheticals. I think there’s going to be a lot happening between now and then.”

The soul-searching within the establishment wing of the Democratic Party comes after Sanders solidified his frontrunner status in Iowa and New Hampshire, which produced a pair of cringeworthy finishes for Biden. The former vice president did so poorly in New Hampshire that he ditched his own election night watch party to head to South Carolina, possibly giving an opening to Bloomberg, who skipped the first four contests.

“I’m feeling a momentum shift to Bloomberg right now,” said Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), who endorsed Biden in the summer and plans to stick with him.

One of the most glaring examples of the change in tide on Capitol Hill is a trio of Bloomberg endorsements from the Congressional Black Caucus on Wednesday — a not-so-subtle show of force against Biden, who remains the favored candidate among black voters nationally.
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Nope, I believe the Party is STILL asleep. Just look at recent posts by Dems on these threads. Still in a DEEP slumber.

 

[HappyJoy]

You didn't respond to anything in my post.

Good gawd. I wish we could just discuss the OP.

I would hold Manchin up as someone as close to moderate as it gets today. I see that you disagree.

He's a senator from a very red state. Why Manchin in particular? He's kind of pigeon holed over there. Why not Klobuchar? She's actually running for president and is moderate/center left which the Democratic party as a whole is more closely aligned with.

I'm sorry you don't consider me "to be able to accurately gauge what is too liberal, moderate or conservative."

You tell us everyday how both sides are the same. There is no Trump, there is no army of Trump like trolls on the left. The most extreme position held by liberals that draws the most consternation among moderates is medicare 4 all. On the right apparently its nuking hurricanes and lying about anything and everything.

If you want to think that the Democrats are a larger tent than Republicans, fine. I think that's possible, but the topic just isn't important to me.

So its not important if there are multiple positions taken within the Democratic party you'd just rather talk only about the far left of it? Seems a little disingenuous.

I'm glad you're proud.

That I belong to a party in all it's imperfections (and there are many) that it has members from all walks of life who bring their own experiences and solutions unlike the GOP? Yeah, I'm kind of proud of that. Much better than cherry picking people in the party I don't politically align with just so I have something to talk about.

Yes, Sanders is too far Left for me.

He certainly is far left in this country but he's not really if you compare his policies to other democracies. Sanders by far is not my first choice but I wouldn't hesitate a second to vote for him in November.

Anything else?
.

Not really.

Manchin strikes me as honest and decent.

Didn't say he wasn't.

I have never said that "both sides are the same". Never. Not ever. Not once. Do you know what I actually say? It's different.

You say the extremists. Who on this board are the extremists?

Yes, I usually discuss and criticize the Far Left because I think they are often dishonest, bigoted and illiberal, and I think the left side of the spectrum should be better than that.

Who? Sanders? Because you don't agree with him he's a bigot and just like the Nazis on the right? Strange.

I have too many disagreements with both parties to belong to either. I think that's allowed.

Who said it wasn't?

I don't care if Sanders isn't too liberal for other countries. I live in this one.
.

I understand. Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. Sanders is not a threat to the world or our own Constitution, Trump is.

I don't use the word "extremists".

Please quote me saying Sanders is a "bigot and just like the Nazis on the Right", or anything close. You won't be able to, because you just made that up.

I don't care if Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. He's too far Left for me.
.

Far left, extremist, whatever.

Did you call the far left bigots? Do you think Sanders is far left?

 

[Mac1958]

Good gawd. I wish we could just discuss the OP.

I would hold Manchin up as someone as close to moderate as it gets today. I see that you disagree.

He's a senator from a very red state. Why Manchin in particular? He's kind of pigeon holed over there. Why not Klobuchar? She's actually running for president and is moderate/center left which the Democratic party as a whole is more closely aligned with.

I'm sorry you don't consider me "to be able to accurately gauge what is too liberal, moderate or conservative."

You tell us everyday how both sides are the same. There is no Trump, there is no army of Trump like trolls on the left. The most extreme position held by liberals that draws the most consternation among moderates is medicare 4 all. On the right apparently its nuking hurricanes and lying about anything and everything.

If you want to think that the Democrats are a larger tent than Republicans, fine. I think that's possible, but the topic just isn't important to me.

So its not important if there are multiple positions taken within the Democratic party you'd just rather talk only about the far left of it? Seems a little disingenuous.

I'm glad you're proud.

That I belong to a party in all it's imperfections (and there are many) that it has members from all walks of life who bring their own experiences and solutions unlike the GOP? Yeah, I'm kind of proud of that. Much better than cherry picking people in the party I don't politically align with just so I have something to talk about.

Yes, Sanders is too far Left for me.

He certainly is far left in this country but he's not really if you compare his policies to other democracies. Sanders by far is not my first choice but I wouldn't hesitate a second to vote for him in November.

Anything else?
.

Not really.

Manchin strikes me as honest and decent.

Didn't say he wasn't.

I have never said that "both sides are the same". Never. Not ever. Not once. Do you know what I actually say? It's different.

You say the extremists. Who on this board are the extremists?

Yes, I usually discuss and criticize the Far Left because I think they are often dishonest, bigoted and illiberal, and I think the left side of the spectrum should be better than that.

Who? Sanders? Because you don't agree with him he's a bigot and just like the Nazis on the right? Strange.

I have too many disagreements with both parties to belong to either. I think that's allowed.

Who said it wasn't?

I don't care if Sanders isn't too liberal for other countries. I live in this one.
.

I understand. Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. Sanders is not a threat to the world or our own Constitution, Trump is.

I don't use the word "extremists".

Please quote me saying Sanders is a "bigot and just like the Nazis on the Right", or anything close. You won't be able to, because you just made that up.

I don't care if Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. He's too far Left for me.
.

Far left, extremist, whatever.

Did you call the far left bigots? Do you think Sanders is far left?

You clearly don't know what I have said many, many times about the two sides, yet you're quick to characterize it.

Yes, there any many bigots on the Left.

Yes, I think Sanders is far Left.

Is Sanders a bigot? I don't know, I haven't really thought about it, nor have I ever said he is.
.

 

[HappyJoy]

He's a senator from a very red state. Why Manchin in particular? He's kind of pigeon holed over there. Why not Klobuchar? She's actually running for president and is moderate/center left which the Democratic party as a whole is more closely aligned with.


You tell us everyday how both sides are the same. There is no Trump, there is no army of Trump like trolls on the left. The most extreme position held by liberals that draws the most consternation among moderates is medicare 4 all. On the right apparently its nuking hurricanes and lying about anything and everything.

So its not important if there are multiple positions taken within the Democratic party you'd just rather talk only about the far left of it? Seems a little disingenuous.

That I belong to a party in all it's imperfections (and there are many) that it has members from all walks of life who bring their own experiences and solutions unlike the GOP? Yeah, I'm kind of proud of that. Much better than cherry picking people in the party I don't politically align with just so I have something to talk about.

He certainly is far left in this country but he's not really if you compare his policies to other democracies. Sanders by far is not my first choice but I wouldn't hesitate a second to vote for him in November.

Not really.

Manchin strikes me as honest and decent.

Didn't say he wasn't.

I have never said that "both sides are the same". Never. Not ever. Not once. Do you know what I actually say? It's different.

You say the extremists. Who on this board are the extremists?

Yes, I usually discuss and criticize the Far Left because I think they are often dishonest, bigoted and illiberal, and I think the left side of the spectrum should be better than that.

Who? Sanders? Because you don't agree with him he's a bigot and just like the Nazis on the right? Strange.

I have too many disagreements with both parties to belong to either. I think that's allowed.

Who said it wasn't?

I don't care if Sanders isn't too liberal for other countries. I live in this one.
.

I understand. Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. Sanders is not a threat to the world or our own Constitution, Trump is.

I don't use the word "extremists".

Please quote me saying Sanders is a "bigot and just like the Nazis on the Right", or anything close. You won't be able to, because you just made that up.

I don't care if Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. He's too far Left for me.
.

Far left, extremist, whatever.

Did you call the far left bigots? Do you think Sanders is far left?

You clearly don't know what I have said many, many times about the two sides, yet you're quick to characterize it.

Yes, there any many bigots on the Left.

Yes, I think Sanders is far Left.

Is Sanders a bigot? I don't know, I haven't really thought about it, nor have I ever said he is.
.

Who on the far left is a bigot? Seemed like a broad brush that you now want to take back. So, if not Sanders then who?

If the Democrats are moving too far to the left, who are you talking about? Everyone? A percentage?

 

[Mac1958]

Manchin strikes me as honest and decent.

Didn't say he wasn't.

I have never said that "both sides are the same". Never. Not ever. Not once. Do you know what I actually say? It's different.

You say the extremists. Who on this board are the extremists?

Yes, I usually discuss and criticize the Far Left because I think they are often dishonest, bigoted and illiberal, and I think the left side of the spectrum should be better than that.

Who? Sanders? Because you don't agree with him he's a bigot and just like the Nazis on the right? Strange.

I have too many disagreements with both parties to belong to either. I think that's allowed.

Who said it wasn't?

I don't care if Sanders isn't too liberal for other countries. I live in this one.
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I understand. Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. Sanders is not a threat to the world or our own Constitution, Trump is.

I don't use the word "extremists".

Please quote me saying Sanders is a "bigot and just like the Nazis on the Right", or anything close. You won't be able to, because you just made that up.

I don't care if Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. He's too far Left for me.
.

Far left, extremist, whatever.

Did you call the far left bigots? Do you think Sanders is far left?

You clearly don't know what I have said many, many times about the two sides, yet you're quick to characterize it.

Yes, there any many bigots on the Left.

Yes, I think Sanders is far Left.

Is Sanders a bigot? I don't know, I haven't really thought about it, nor have I ever said he is.
.

Who on the far left is a bigot? Seemed like a broad brush that you now want to take back. So, if not Sanders then who?

If the Democrats are moving too far to the left, who are you talking about? Everyone? A percentage?

I think there are many bigots on the Far Left. I'm not going to list them.

If this is so important to you, provide a list and I'll answer yes or no.
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[HappyJoy]

Didn't say he wasn't.

You say the extremists. Who on this board are the extremists?

Who? Sanders? Because you don't agree with him he's a bigot and just like the Nazis on the right? Strange.

Who said it wasn't?

I understand. Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. Sanders is not a threat to the world or our own Constitution, Trump is.

I don't use the word "extremists".

Please quote me saying Sanders is a "bigot and just like the Nazis on the Right", or anything close. You won't be able to, because you just made that up.

I don't care if Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. He's too far Left for me.
.

Far left, extremist, whatever.

Did you call the far left bigots? Do you think Sanders is far left?

You clearly don't know what I have said many, many times about the two sides, yet you're quick to characterize it.

Yes, there any many bigots on the Left.

Yes, I think Sanders is far Left.

Is Sanders a bigot? I don't know, I haven't really thought about it, nor have I ever said he is.
.

Who on the far left is a bigot? Seemed like a broad brush that you now want to take back. So, if not Sanders then who?

If the Democrats are moving too far to the left, who are you talking about? Everyone? A percentage?

I think there are many bigots on the Far Left. I'm not going to list them.

If this is so important to you, provide a list and I'll answer yes or no.
.

All the Democratic candidates and let's throw in Chuck Shumer and Nancy Pelosi.

You tell me which ones are far left and which ones are the bigots.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Good gawd. I wish we could just discuss the OP.

I would hold Manchin up as someone as close to moderate as it gets today. I see that you disagree.

He's a senator from a very red state. Why Manchin in particular? He's kind of pigeon holed over there. Why not Klobuchar? She's actually running for president and is moderate/center left which the Democratic party as a whole is more closely aligned with.

I'm sorry you don't consider me "to be able to accurately gauge what is too liberal, moderate or conservative."

You tell us everyday how both sides are the same. There is no Trump, there is no army of Trump like trolls on the left. The most extreme position held by liberals that draws the most consternation among moderates is medicare 4 all. On the right apparently its nuking hurricanes and lying about anything and everything.

If you want to think that the Democrats are a larger tent than Republicans, fine. I think that's possible, but the topic just isn't important to me.

So its not important if there are multiple positions taken within the Democratic party you'd just rather talk only about the far left of it? Seems a little disingenuous.

I'm glad you're proud.

That I belong to a party in all it's imperfections (and there are many) that it has members from all walks of life who bring their own experiences and solutions unlike the GOP? Yeah, I'm kind of proud of that. Much better than cherry picking people in the party I don't politically align with just so I have something to talk about.

Yes, Sanders is too far Left for me.

He certainly is far left in this country but he's not really if you compare his policies to other democracies. Sanders by far is not my first choice but I wouldn't hesitate a second to vote for him in November.

Anything else?
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Not really.

Manchin strikes me as honest and decent.

Didn't say he wasn't.

I have never said that "both sides are the same". Never. Not ever. Not once. Do you know what I actually say? It's different.

You say the extremists. Who on this board are the extremists?

Yes, I usually discuss and criticize the Far Left because I think they are often dishonest, bigoted and illiberal, and I think the left side of the spectrum should be better than that.

Who? Sanders? Because you don't agree with him he's a bigot and just like the Nazis on the right? Strange.

I have too many disagreements with both parties to belong to either. I think that's allowed.

Who said it wasn't?

I don't care if Sanders isn't too liberal for other countries. I live in this one.
.

I understand. Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. Sanders is not a threat to the world or our own Constitution, Trump is.

The more you type the more you reveal yourself to be a "winger". Rump is an as* but he is no danger to the country or the Constitution.

If you say so, troll.

LOL, a true Prog, you HATE to be disagreed with. And I do say so. Winger

 

[bluzman61]

I don't use the word "extremists".

Please quote me saying Sanders is a "bigot and just like the Nazis on the Right", or anything close. You won't be able to, because you just made that up.

I don't care if Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. He's too far Left for me.
.

Far left, extremist, whatever.

Did you call the far left bigots? Do you think Sanders is far left?

You clearly don't know what I have said many, many times about the two sides, yet you're quick to characterize it.

Yes, there any many bigots on the Left.

Yes, I think Sanders is far Left.

Is Sanders a bigot? I don't know, I haven't really thought about it, nor have I ever said he is.
.

Who on the far left is a bigot? Seemed like a broad brush that you now want to take back. So, if not Sanders then who?

If the Democrats are moving too far to the left, who are you talking about? Everyone? A percentage?

I think there are many bigots on the Far Left. I'm not going to list them.

If this is so important to you, provide a list and I'll answer yes or no.
.

All the Democratic candidates and let's throw in Chuck Shumer and Nancy Pelosi.

You tell me which ones are far left and which ones are the bigots.

I'll answer for you, ya knucklehead. They're ALL far left AND bigots, with the exception of Tulsi Gabbard. The ONLY sane one in the bunch.

 

[HappyJoy]

He's a senator from a very red state. Why Manchin in particular? He's kind of pigeon holed over there. Why not Klobuchar? She's actually running for president and is moderate/center left which the Democratic party as a whole is more closely aligned with.


You tell us everyday how both sides are the same. There is no Trump, there is no army of Trump like trolls on the left. The most extreme position held by liberals that draws the most consternation among moderates is medicare 4 all. On the right apparently its nuking hurricanes and lying about anything and everything.

So its not important if there are multiple positions taken within the Democratic party you'd just rather talk only about the far left of it? Seems a little disingenuous.

That I belong to a party in all it's imperfections (and there are many) that it has members from all walks of life who bring their own experiences and solutions unlike the GOP? Yeah, I'm kind of proud of that. Much better than cherry picking people in the party I don't politically align with just so I have something to talk about.

He certainly is far left in this country but he's not really if you compare his policies to other democracies. Sanders by far is not my first choice but I wouldn't hesitate a second to vote for him in November.

Not really.

Manchin strikes me as honest and decent.

Didn't say he wasn't.

I have never said that "both sides are the same". Never. Not ever. Not once. Do you know what I actually say? It's different.

You say the extremists. Who on this board are the extremists?

Yes, I usually discuss and criticize the Far Left because I think they are often dishonest, bigoted and illiberal, and I think the left side of the spectrum should be better than that.

Who? Sanders? Because you don't agree with him he's a bigot and just like the Nazis on the right? Strange.

I have too many disagreements with both parties to belong to either. I think that's allowed.

Who said it wasn't?

I don't care if Sanders isn't too liberal for other countries. I live in this one.
.

I understand. Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. Sanders is not a threat to the world or our own Constitution, Trump is.

The more you type the more you reveal yourself to be a "winger". Rump is an as* but he is no danger to the country or the Constitution.

If you say so, troll.

LOL, a true Prog, you HATE to be disagreed with. And I do say so. Winger

Actually I'm just not that into you.

 

[Mac1958]

I don't use the word "extremists".

Please quote me saying Sanders is a "bigot and just like the Nazis on the Right", or anything close. You won't be able to, because you just made that up.

I don't care if Sanders is not the other side of the Trump coin. He's too far Left for me.
.

Far left, extremist, whatever.

Did you call the far left bigots? Do you think Sanders is far left?

You clearly don't know what I have said many, many times about the two sides, yet you're quick to characterize it.

Yes, there any many bigots on the Left.

Yes, I think Sanders is far Left.

Is Sanders a bigot? I don't know, I haven't really thought about it, nor have I ever said he is.
.

Who on the far left is a bigot? Seemed like a broad brush that you now want to take back. So, if not Sanders then who?

If the Democrats are moving too far to the left, who are you talking about? Everyone? A percentage?

I think there are many bigots on the Far Left. I'm not going to list them.

If this is so important to you, provide a list and I'll answer yes or no.
.

All the Democratic candidates and let's throw in Chuck Shumer and Nancy Pelosi.

You tell me which ones are far left and which ones are the bigots.

Why is this so important to you?
.

 

[Mac1958]

Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

Here's hoping.

From the linked piece:
“If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he’ll have to moderate. I’m not going socialist. Never been a socialist,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. “If he doesn’t change, I’ve got a dilemma there. We’ll see. But we’re talking about hypotheticals. I think there’s going to be a lot happening between now and then.”

The soul-searching within the establishment wing of the Democratic Party comes after Sanders solidified his frontrunner status in Iowa and New Hampshire, which produced a pair of cringeworthy finishes for Biden. The former vice president did so poorly in New Hampshire that he ditched his own election night watch party to head to South Carolina, possibly giving an opening to Bloomberg, who skipped the first four contests.

“I’m feeling a momentum shift to Bloomberg right now,” said Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), who endorsed Biden in the summer and plans to stick with him.

One of the most glaring examples of the change in tide on Capitol Hill is a trio of Bloomberg endorsements from the Congressional Black Caucus on Wednesday — a not-so-subtle show of force against Biden, who remains the favored candidate among black voters nationally.
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Nope, I believe the Party is STILL asleep. Just look at recent posts by Dems on these threads. Still in a DEEP slumber.

There are some who have come forward and said enough is enough.

Not enough to move the needle, granted, but I'm hoping some momentum will build.
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[HappyJoy]

Far left, extremist, whatever.

Did you call the far left bigots? Do you think Sanders is far left?

You clearly don't know what I have said many, many times about the two sides, yet you're quick to characterize it.

Yes, there any many bigots on the Left.

Yes, I think Sanders is far Left.

Is Sanders a bigot? I don't know, I haven't really thought about it, nor have I ever said he is.
.

Who on the far left is a bigot? Seemed like a broad brush that you now want to take back. So, if not Sanders then who?

If the Democrats are moving too far to the left, who are you talking about? Everyone? A percentage?

I think there are many bigots on the Far Left. I'm not going to list them.

If this is so important to you, provide a list and I'll answer yes or no.
.

All the Democratic candidates and let's throw in Chuck Shumer and Nancy Pelosi.

You tell me which ones are far left and which ones are the bigots.

Why is this so important to you?
.

I just want to see you prove a point. You asked for a list so here it is. Tell me which ones are far left and which ones are bigots.

Bernie Sanders
Joe Biden
Michael Bloomberg
Kamala Harris
Andrew Yang
Corey Booker
Michael Bennett
Elizabeth Warren
Tulsi Gabbard
Pete Buttigieg
Chuck Schumer
Nanci Pelosi
Amy Klobuchar

 

[Mac1958]

You clearly don't know what I have said many, many times about the two sides, yet you're quick to characterize it.

Yes, there any many bigots on the Left.

Yes, I think Sanders is far Left.

Is Sanders a bigot? I don't know, I haven't really thought about it, nor have I ever said he is.
.

Who on the far left is a bigot? Seemed like a broad brush that you now want to take back. So, if not Sanders then who?

If the Democrats are moving too far to the left, who are you talking about? Everyone? A percentage?

I think there are many bigots on the Far Left. I'm not going to list them.

If this is so important to you, provide a list and I'll answer yes or no.
.

All the Democratic candidates and let's throw in Chuck Shumer and Nancy Pelosi.

You tell me which ones are far left and which ones are the bigots.

Why is this so important to you?
.

I just want to see you prove a point. You asked for a list so here it is. Tell me which ones are far left and which ones are bigots.

Bernie Sanders
Joe Biden
Michael Bloomberg
Kamala Harris
Andrew Yang
Corey Booker
Michael Bennett
Elizabeth Warren
Tulsi Gabbard
Pete Buttigieg
Chuck Schumer
Nanci Pelosi
Amy Klobuchar

None of those people stick out as someone I would think of as a bigot. Since they have reached national status, they certainly know to temper their words somewhat, even Bernie and Liz.

Anything else? How far are we into this game of 20 Questions?
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[bluzman61]

You clearly don't know what I have said many, many times about the two sides, yet you're quick to characterize it.

Yes, there any many bigots on the Left.

Yes, I think Sanders is far Left.

Is Sanders a bigot? I don't know, I haven't really thought about it, nor have I ever said he is.
.

Who on the far left is a bigot? Seemed like a broad brush that you now want to take back. So, if not Sanders then who?

If the Democrats are moving too far to the left, who are you talking about? Everyone? A percentage?

I think there are many bigots on the Far Left. I'm not going to list them.

If this is so important to you, provide a list and I'll answer yes or no.
.

All the Democratic candidates and let's throw in Chuck Shumer and Nancy Pelosi.

You tell me which ones are far left and which ones are the bigots.

Why is this so important to you?
.

I just want to see you prove a point. You asked for a list so here it is. Tell me which ones are far left and which ones are bigots.

Bernie Sanders
Joe Biden
Michael Bloomberg
Kamala Harris
Andrew Yang
Corey Booker
Michael Bennett
Elizabeth Warren
Tulsi Gabbard
Pete Buttigieg
Chuck Schumer
Nanci Pelosi
Amy Klobuchar

The ONLY fair and non-bigoted one is Tulsi. She's the only one that isn't insane.