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[Harry Dresden]

How does that entitle the government to take it?

if they make the money here,in this Country.....yea they should have to pay taxes on it like everyone else....NO fucking Loopholes.....just to get out of paying any taxes at all....im not against ways to invest that will make it so you pay as little as possible.....but your still paying something.....

You still haven't explained how the government is entitled to take my money. It's a moral question. I know that makes it difficult for a lib to answer.

im a lib now?.........hey where is Dean?.....i want him to see this....

 

[Harry Dresden]

No, paying taxes is not good for America. Furthermore, that doesn't explain how the government is entitled to take my money. All it says is that you approve.

And it can be argued it is immoral to not pay taxes, given the vital services governments provide.

Otherwise, as I and others have tried to explain to you (a seemingly futile effort), Congress is authorized to tax by the Constitution.

Jones ....myself and a few others here would sure like it if you would learn how to use the quote function...

 

[Sallow]

It's in the Constitution. While not perfect, that's the way the Constitution authorizes a government to generate revenue. Governments need capital to function. If you can figure out a way to have a country without a government...heck..I am sure people are open to your ideas. But if you are really really sick of paying taxes..Somalia..doesn't require them.

Regardless of the truth or falsity of your statement, it doesn't answer the question: How is the government entitled to take my money? I mean in the moral sense, not the legal sense. You and your Komrades keep telling us that taxation is legal. No one is arguing that point. Gassing the Jews was legal perfectly according to German law. I don't see any of you numskulls defending that.

You are making a ridiculous argument. Seriously. No one is arguing you about "gassing the jews" because they are trying to save you embarrassment. Well that ends now.

Equating Taxation to Gassing the jewish people is reprehensible and disgusting.

You ought to be ashamed.

The fact you keep on bringing it up either means you are woefully ignorant or a sociopath.

 

[Harry Dresden]

It's in the Constitution. While not perfect, that's the way the Constitution authorizes a government to generate revenue. Governments need capital to function. If you can figure out a way to have a country without a government...heck..I am sure people are open to your ideas. But if you are really really sick of paying taxes..Somalia..doesn't require them.

Regardless of the truth or falsity of your statement, it doesn't answer the question: How is the government entitled to take my money? I mean in the moral sense, not the legal sense. You and your Komrades keep telling us that taxation is legal. No one is arguing that point. Gassing the Jews was legal perfectly according to German law. I don't see any of you numskulls defending that.

ok Bri....say they end taxes tomorrow....who is going to pay for all the GOOD things taxes pay for?......like maintaining the infrastructure.....Cops, Fire,Education.....Etc....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Sorry. There is no evidence that Synthia is maturing.

Meh. His arguments are starting to lose their zest. His heart doesn't seem in it anymore. Perhaps he is souring on the whole progressive agenda as he gets older and realizes that the liberal Utopia, while ideal, isn't realistic and will never exist.

If my zest is waning, perhaps it's because I'm tired of explaining simple things to simpletons who, tomorrow, will log in and make their same, talking-point, fact-less arguments?

Synth.....yes or no.....are their Liberals here who do the same thing day in and day out?.....

 

[Sallow]

How does that entitle the government to take it?

if they make the money here,in this Country.....yea they should have to pay taxes on it like everyone else....NO fucking Loopholes.....just to get out of paying any taxes at all....im not against ways to invest that will make it so you pay as little as possible.....but your still paying something.....

You still haven't explained how the government is entitled to take my money. It's a moral question. I know that makes it difficult for a lib to answer.

Here you go:

If you don't have raiding parties on a weekly basis from some other country taking your wealth, killing your children and raping you spouse, then they are "entitled" to your money.

I could go on about simple things like mail delivery, safe food and water, electricity and the ability to walk around your neighborhood unmolested..but that should do it for you.

 

[Harry Dresden]

How does that entitle the government to take it?

So you don't expect to have to pay the military? or FEMA? You don't want to use the roads? Or maybe you think they should all be toll roads even though postal roads are part of the constitution. Just how do you think those programs should be paid for? Honestly, this particular discussion is one of the stupidest on this board.

That's because we are arguing with the 3 Stooges.

why i otta....

 

[Synthaholic]

It really pisses you off that America has the most powerful military in the world, doesn't it?

Tough shit.

No it just saddens me that there are people in this country stupid enough to believe that a nation's greatness can be measured by the size of its armies.

We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men -- and women -- stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.

America is a great nation, leftist hand-wringing and historical revision to the contrary. It's given you freedoms that you would enjoy in few other nations.

Like you?

 

[Sallow]

Were you aware that reality doesn't give a shit about your claims?

Which is cute..because benefits for veterans aren't scored as defense spending.

Tough shit for you, huh, Comrade?

Told ya chief..unlike you and your friends..I've never worked for the government.

Hence..while I may support some socialism in practice..I've never been part of the socialistic system.

Like you.

A self-hating socialist.

 

[Synthaholic]

Synthaholic, I'll address this to you directly, since only the hysterical chick took a swing and a miss at it.

So, in essence, liberals believe that the government, in actuality, owns everything in this country, and that the government shall determine how much each citizen in this country is allowed to keep.

Does that sum it up?


You can't disagree with that statement if you feel the government is entitled to keep what it sees fit.

The People decide what the government can and can't do.

I just came to this post, yet I said basically the same thing when I answered. It shows that common sense and correct interpretation of the functions of government live on only one side of the aisle.

 

[Synthaholic]

How does that entitle the government to take it?

So you don't expect to have to pay the military? or FEMA? You don't want to use the roads? Or maybe you think they should all be toll roads even though postal roads are part of the constitution. Just how do you think those programs should be paid for? Honestly, this particular discussion is one of the stupidest on this board.

Whether toll roads are practical or not isn't the issue. We are discussing a question of morality. How does that mere fact that I live in the USA entitle the government to take anything from me?

 

[Synthaholic]

Synthaholic, I'll address this to you directly, since only the hysterical chick took a swing and a miss at it.

So, in essence, liberals believe that the government, in actuality, owns everything in this country, and that the government shall determine how much each citizen in this country is allowed to keep.

Does that sum it up?


You can't disagree with that statement if you feel the government is entitled to keep what it sees fit.

The People decide what the government can and can't do.

Like Obamacare?

Exactly. Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska (D) wasn't on board with it because his constituents in Nebraska weren't on board with it.

See how that works?

 

[Synthaholic]

Synthaholic, I'll address this to you directly, since only the hysterical chick took a swing and a miss at it.

So, in essence, liberals believe that the government, in actuality, owns everything in this country, and that the government shall determine how much each citizen in this country is allowed to keep.

Does that sum it up?


You can't disagree with that statement if you feel the government is entitled to keep what it sees fit.

The People decide what the government can and can't do.

In other words, "the people" own everything you make and allow you to keep a portion of it?

You're using roads and infrastructure that I helped to pay for in order to make your profit. Give me my share.

 

[Synthaholic]

And Synthaholic runs away yet again when pressed. Because he is smart, and he knows the answer.

What have I run from? I don't stay here 24/7, y'know. And I don't post while I'm supposed to be working. That would be daveman.

 

[Synthaholic]

And you can't figure out the insanity of us defending other nations for free, fighting wars we don't need to fight, involving ourselves in foreign affairs we don't need to be involved with,

all at horrific costs, all while back here we can't even fix roads or bridges, or care for the sick and the needy, etc., etc.

You don't get that? How can you not get that?

Defense spending is singlehandedly destroying this nation and it's been doing so for 60 years.

They don't get it. They think that extra drone or missile makes us stronger. Yes, it surprises me too.

But at least we killed OBL. For that I am eternally grateful. I think that made us look very strong. No BS about the president...he just went and got it done.

Hate to burst your bubble but the only thing he "went and got done" was a stroll to the situation room and a voiced word""go""

Any monkey could have been trained for that

Then why didn't this one do it?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

And Synthaholic runs away yet again when pressed. Because he is smart, and he knows the answer.

What have I run from? I don't stay here 24/7, y'know. And I don't post while I'm supposed to be working. That would be daveman.

You have a job?

Starbucks I'm guessing?

 

[Synthaholic]

hummmm, my stock options are taxed at the following rate-

Fed tax- 25%
Medicare 1.45%
Soc sec- 4.20%
CA state- 10.23%
CASDI- 1.2%

Total- 42.08

That sounds like short term capital gains and/or ordinary dividends, which of course, was not what I was referring to.

oh so you're taking straight income?

my marginal rate was 38 fucking % last year.

Then your accountant sucks.

 

[Synthaholic]

here it is.......

Bill Maher Slams Oprah's Favorite Things | A Christmas Message | Pajiba: Reviews, News, Quotes & Cultural Commentary

Good find! But that has nothing to do with the screenshot that they also are using...you know, the one from the comedy bit on Real Time With Bill Maher.

But that video is very good !

hey if Bill was slamming Oprah....on that day me and him agreed on something.....

You posted it, yet you didn't bother to watch it? Why am I not surprised?

Yes, it was a slam against Oprah, but more a slam against her audience and people who go apeshit, crying over the thought of getting a sweater from Oprah.

You should watch it.

 

[daveman]

Oh Bull, SS has been working for over 75 years. And it's been working very well. I guess you are one of those Americans that haven't taken the time to find out about the program. But don't blame SS for your laziness.

Social Security Will Begin Going Broke This Year, Congress Warned

Actuaries Report 2010: Social Security Insolvency May Occur Sooner Than Predicted | Pax Americana Institute

Yeah. Sounds like it's working great.

Naturally you found the most conservative websites you could find. But it doesn't sound like SS isn't working...it sounds like they are trying to scare you at some point in the future.

SS WILL run out of money. That's a guarantee.

But anyone pointing that out is fear-mongering, right?

 

[daveman]

No it just saddens me that there are people in this country stupid enough to believe that a nation's greatness can be measured by the size of its armies.

We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men -- and women -- stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.

America is a great nation, leftist hand-wringing and historical revision to the contrary. It's given you freedoms that you would enjoy in few other nations.

As opposed to right wing pearl clutching? and you have a hell of a lot of nerve talking about revisionist history... you assholes are the masters.

Hush, moron.