Is The President of the United States Above The Law?

[keepitreal]

After you first answer is the State Dept, FBI, CIA, etc. above the law?

You forgot Congress

 

[peach174]

The cover up is obstruction of justice, which occurred after he was in office.

He hasn't covered up anything.

LOL Another supporter of Trump:

No one cares. You support your guy and we support our guy.

I support my country, you support a megalomaniac.

Whatever. He's destroying the Democrat party and I'm enjoying the show.

They are destroying themselves by going lawless.
Everyone is equal under our laws.
Right now the left seems to think they can ignore them.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It seems the theme of the trump supporters is that he has done no wrong, and every Democratic Member of The Congress, every bureaucrat in the Intelligence Field, Every media Journalist but for those under Murdoch's Umbrella, are enemies of the people and out to get DJT for one reason or another.

Here is a link to another two members of this "deep state" out to out Trump as a sexual predator. Of course this three time married man would never engage in such a behaviors in the mind of his ardent supporters. All these women are deemed liars and whores by Trump&Co.

“He Grabbed Me There in the Front”: Donald Trump Allegedly Hid Behind a Tapestry to Grope a Woman at Mar-a-Lago

These two authors are now members of trump's enemies list - now in the millions. And the few dozen obsequious supporters above are still defending this man-child who will toss anyone under the bus who betrays their loyalty to this arrogant pervert.

 

[jc456]

Today, or last night, when he told the EU Ambassador to not appear before the Congressional Committee.

See my post #143 which you not so cleverly tried to cover with a foolish comment.

He's POTUS, he's allowed to do that!

The won't even take an honest up and down vote on "Impeachment"

which is the law. funny, this stupid fk is asking if the POTUS is above the law on a request that is being made from a person acting like she's above the law. too fking ironic for me.

You two clowns don't have a clue about the law. Or to take what is happening now seriously.

Biden ought to be in jail. Is he above the law?

The Limits of Executive Privilege

The Link shows how complicated and ambiguous the doctrine has become.

does executive privilege give the president power above the law? yes or no? you asked the question in your OP. answer mine.

 

[jc456]

YES or NO

Explain and cite any authority if you believe a President of the United States is above the law.

This is a loaded question.
First of all.....the idiots that ask it today believe Hillary is above the law.
When Obama made deals with our enemies and gave them billions, he wasn't giving aid to our enemies. He was president. He's above the law.

Now.....a tweet is grounds for impeachment.

Is it a loaded question? Even if is was it deserves an honest response (something I do not expect to come from you). The DOJ memo suggests a president is above the law, quite an ambiguity since COTUS speaks to High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Obstruction of justice, in United States jurisdictions, is a crime consisting of obstructing prosecutors, investigators, or other government officials.

We have seen this year the President, and this week Sect. Pompeo, directing subordinates to ignore subpoenas legally issued by The Congress.

The corollary question to this thread is, does obstruction of justice meet the standard of a High Crime or a Misdemeanor; and if the subpoenas are legal.

It was for the republicans when they impeached Clinton. Obstruction of justice was one of the charges.

If lying about consensual oral sex with an adult woman who isn't your wife when married is obstruction of justice then obstruction of justice is a high crime and misdemeanor when trump does it. Which he's done many, many times.

Lying under oath is perjury. Getting other people to lie and cover up the facts is obstruction of justice.

Trump was advised not to testify under oath, his handlers told him he was too inept to not lie.

he didn't have to. No one, I mean no one, should ever volunteer to give testimony to give testimony. Charge me with something or stfu and get away from me. Clinton was a fking fool for testifying. he didn't have to. you know this correct?

 

[Wry Catcher]

He's POTUS, he's allowed to do that!

The won't even take an honest up and down vote on "Impeachment"

which is the law. funny, this stupid fk is asking if the POTUS is above the law on a request that is being made from a person acting like she's above the law. too fking ironic for me.

You two clowns don't have a clue about the law. Or to take what is happening now seriously.

Biden ought to be in jail. Is he above the law?

The Limits of Executive Privilege

The Link shows how complicated and ambiguous the doctrine has become.

does executive privilege give the president power above the law? yes or no? you asked the question in your OP. answer mine.

Q. "does executive privilege give the president power above the law"

A. No

We are a nation built on the laws, and no person is above the law.

Wake up and smell the truth, Trump has intentionally violated.
18 U.S. Code CHAPTER 73, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

Sec. 1505, for one:

"Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress"

 

[there4eyeM]

Presidents have often acted outside the law without serious repercussions to themselves or their term.

 

[jc456]

which is the law. funny, this stupid fk is asking if the POTUS is above the law on a request that is being made from a person acting like she's above the law. too fking ironic for me.

You two clowns don't have a clue about the law. Or to take what is happening now seriously.

Biden ought to be in jail. Is he above the law?

The Limits of Executive Privilege

The Link shows how complicated and ambiguous the doctrine has become.

does executive privilege give the president power above the law? yes or no? you asked the question in your OP. answer mine.

Q. "does executive privilege give the president power above the law"

A. No

We are a nation built on the laws, and no person is above the law.

Wake up and smell the truth, Trump has intentionally violated.
18 U.S. Code CHAPTER 73, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

Sec. 1505, for one:

"Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress"

Executive privilege - Wikipedia

Executive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch and to resist some subpoenas and other oversight by the legislative and judicial branches of government in pursuit of particular information or personnel relating to those confidential communications. The right comes into effect when revealing information would impair governmental functions. Neither executive privilege nor the oversight power of Congress is explicitly mentioned in the United States Constitution.[1] However, the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that executive privilege and congressional oversight each are a consequence of the doctrine of the separation of powers, derived from the supremacy of each branch in its own area of Constitutional activity.[2]

 

[bendog]

With respect, power of the potus is not really Trump's strategy in this. Nixon famously reasoned that whenever the potus acts to further nalt security, it's legal. And to be honest, Lincoln and to a lesser extent FDR did sort of the same, although Nixon's acts were NOT to further nalt security but to protect his presidency.

Rather, what Trump's staff is cleverly trying is a legal argument that congress just doesn't have the power to compel him to disclose politically embarrassing facts. The constitution itself is sparse. Art1Sec2 just says the House shall have the sole power of impeachment. And Art2Sec5 just says Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.

But Roberts Alito and Kav are all hostile to congressional power v. the exec. Thomas is … Thomas. And Gorsuch is imo more a wildcard. Trump's argument is the impeachment is not about investigating a crime, which may have occurred but the facts of which have been disclosed. Rather the congress is trying to invalidate an election. That's absurd because Hillary is not going to be potus, and Trump's worst outcome is his VP assumes power.

But Roberts' agenda is his legacy. The other three are simply partisan … within certain perameters of the franchise.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You two clowns don't have a clue about the law. Or to take what is happening now seriously.

Biden ought to be in jail. Is he above the law?

The Limits of Executive Privilege

The Link shows how complicated and ambiguous the doctrine has become.

does executive privilege give the president power above the law? yes or no? you asked the question in your OP. answer mine.

Q. "does executive privilege give the president power above the law"

A. No

We are a nation built on the laws, and no person is above the law.

Wake up and smell the truth, Trump has intentionally violated.
18 U.S. Code CHAPTER 73, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

Sec. 1505, for one:

"Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress"

Executive privilege - Wikipedia

Executive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch and to resist some subpoenas and other oversight by the legislative and judicial branches of government in pursuit of particular information or personnel relating to those confidential communications. The right comes into effect when revealing information would impair governmental functions. Neither executive privilege nor the oversight power of Congress is explicitly mentioned in the United States Constitution.[1] However, the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that executive privilege and congressional oversight each are a consequence of the doctrine of the separation of powers, derived from the supremacy of each branch in its own area of Constitutional activity.[2]

Cherry Picking ^^^, forgetaboutit.

About | Project On Government Oversight (POGO)

And, from this ^^^ site:

The Limits of Executive Privilege

In light of the House Judiciary Committee’s important hearing today on executive privilege and Congressional oversight, we have excerpted portions of When Congress Comes Calling, The Constitution Project at the Project On Government Oversight’s study on legislative inquiry. The author of When Congress Comes Calling, Morton Rosenberg, served for over 35 years at the Congressional Research Service.

As these sections explain, while executive privilege has an important place in the separation of powers, history and case law show that it is far from absolute, and that Congress can, and has in the past, overcome many claims of privilege.

The reader is encouraged to read the link, an informative non partisan explanation of the limits of Executive privilege.

 

[bendog]

Biden ought to be in jail. Is he above the law?

The Limits of Executive Privilege

The Link shows how complicated and ambiguous the doctrine has become.

does executive privilege give the president power above the law? yes or no? you asked the question in your OP. answer mine.

Q. "does executive privilege give the president power above the law"

A. No

We are a nation built on the laws, and no person is above the law.

Wake up and smell the truth, Trump has intentionally violated.
18 U.S. Code CHAPTER 73, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

Sec. 1505, for one:

"Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress"

Executive privilege - Wikipedia

Executive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch and to resist some subpoenas and other oversight by the legislative and judicial branches of government in pursuit of particular information or personnel relating to those confidential communications. The right comes into effect when revealing information would impair governmental functions. Neither executive privilege nor the oversight power of Congress is explicitly mentioned in the United States Constitution.[1] However, the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that executive privilege and congressional oversight each are a consequence of the doctrine of the separation of powers, derived from the supremacy of each branch in its own area of Constitutional activity.[2]

Cherry Picking ^^^, forgetaboutit.

About | Project On Government Oversight (POGO)

And, from this ^^^ site:

The Limits of Executive Privilege

In light of the House Judiciary Committee’s important hearing today on executive privilege and Congressional oversight, we have excerpted portions of When Congress Comes Calling, The Constitution Project at the Project On Government Oversight’s study on legislative inquiry. The author of When Congress Comes Calling, Morton Rosenberg, served for over 35 years at the Congressional Research Service.

As these sections explain, while executive privilege has an important place in the separation of powers, history and case law show that it is far from absolute, and that Congress can, and has in the past, overcome many claims of privilege.

The reader is encouraged to read the link, an informative non partisan explanation of the limits of Executive privilege.

Yes, that's what Team Trump is trying to set up. Communications to him or his advisors about Ukraine are covered by a qualified privilege that can be overcome if it contains important information about a legitimate investigation, and congress must show an adequate need.

 

[Rambunctious]

IMPEACHMENT MUST BE TOTALLY OPEN...

Just like a Grand Jury?

The trial will be fully open - in the Senate. The House is under no obligation to hold open hearings at this point.

Then convene a grand jury...this is not one...and dump Schiff...he is a liar...

 

[bendog]

The House has the const power to set up rules and biz anyway they see fit inorder to do any action ok'd in the const. Whether impeachment is called for or not, not really relevant. But Trumpstettes complaints that somehow process is not followed is bs. Congress has changed powers of supbpoena and committee assignments at will. And it can do that.

 

[jc456]

Biden ought to be in jail. Is he above the law?

The Limits of Executive Privilege

The Link shows how complicated and ambiguous the doctrine has become.

does executive privilege give the president power above the law? yes or no? you asked the question in your OP. answer mine.

Q. "does executive privilege give the president power above the law"

A. No

We are a nation built on the laws, and no person is above the law.

Wake up and smell the truth, Trump has intentionally violated.
18 U.S. Code CHAPTER 73, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

Sec. 1505, for one:

"Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress"

Executive privilege - Wikipedia

Executive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch and to resist some subpoenas and other oversight by the legislative and judicial branches of government in pursuit of particular information or personnel relating to those confidential communications. The right comes into effect when revealing information would impair governmental functions. Neither executive privilege nor the oversight power of Congress is explicitly mentioned in the United States Constitution.[1] However, the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that executive privilege and congressional oversight each are a consequence of the doctrine of the separation of powers, derived from the supremacy of each branch in its own area of Constitutional activity.[2]

Cherry Picking ^^^, forgetaboutit.

About | Project On Government Oversight (POGO)

And, from this ^^^ site:

The Limits of Executive Privilege

In light of the House Judiciary Committee’s important hearing today on executive privilege and Congressional oversight, we have excerpted portions of When Congress Comes Calling, The Constitution Project at the Project On Government Oversight’s study on legislative inquiry. The author of When Congress Comes Calling, Morton Rosenberg, served for over 35 years at the Congressional Research Service.

As these sections explain, while executive privilege has an important place in the separation of powers, history and case law show that it is far from absolute, and that Congress can, and has in the past, overcome many claims of privilege.

The reader is encouraged to read the link, an informative non partisan explanation of the limits of Executive privilege.

 

[jc456]

The House has the const power to set up rules and biz anyway they see fit inorder to do any action ok'd in the const. Whether impeachment is called for or not, not really relevant. But Trumpstettes complaints that somehow process is not followed is bs. Congress has changed powers of supbpoena and committee assignments at will. And it can do that.

and executive privilege trumps their move. the house can take them to court.

 

[jasonnfree]

President's are pretty much above the law. Even Nixon got his pension and went on to reinvent himself as an elder statesman. In the meantime, a black woman gets five years in prison for registering to vote. She was a felon, didn't know the law in red state texas.

Crystal Mason Thought She Had The Right to Vote. Texas Sentenced Her to Five Years in Prison for Trying.

 

[bripat9643]

With respect, power of the potus is not really Trump's strategy in this. Nixon famously reasoned that whenever the potus acts to further nalt security, it's legal. And to be honest, Lincoln and to a lesser extent FDR did sort of the same, although Nixon's acts were NOT to further nalt security but to protect his presidency.

Rather, what Trump's staff is cleverly trying is a legal argument that congress just doesn't have the power to compel him to disclose politically embarrassing facts. The constitution itself is sparse. Art1Sec2 just says the House shall have the sole power of impeachment. And Art2Sec5 just says Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.

But Roberts Alito and Kav are all hostile to congressional power v. the exec. Thomas is … Thomas. And Gorsuch is imo more a wildcard. Trump's argument is the impeachment is not about investigating a crime, which may have occurred but the facts of which have been disclosed. Rather the congress is trying to invalidate an election. That's absurd because Hillary is not going to be potus, and Trump's worst outcome is his VP assumes power.

But Roberts' agenda is his legacy. The other three are simply partisan … within certain perameters of the franchise.

If Trump is removed from office, then his election was invalidated.

 

[bripat9643]

Biden ought to be in jail. Is he above the law?

The Limits of Executive Privilege

The Link shows how complicated and ambiguous the doctrine has become.

does executive privilege give the president power above the law? yes or no? you asked the question in your OP. answer mine.

Q. "does executive privilege give the president power above the law"

A. No

We are a nation built on the laws, and no person is above the law.

Wake up and smell the truth, Trump has intentionally violated.
18 U.S. Code CHAPTER 73, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

Sec. 1505, for one:

"Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress"

Executive privilege - Wikipedia

Executive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch and to resist some subpoenas and other oversight by the legislative and judicial branches of government in pursuit of particular information or personnel relating to those confidential communications. The right comes into effect when revealing information would impair governmental functions. Neither executive privilege nor the oversight power of Congress is explicitly mentioned in the United States Constitution.[1] However, the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that executive privilege and congressional oversight each are a consequence of the doctrine of the separation of powers, derived from the supremacy of each branch in its own area of Constitutional activity.[2]

Cherry Picking ^^^, forgetaboutit.

About | Project On Government Oversight (POGO)

And, from this ^^^ site:

The Limits of Executive Privilege

In light of the House Judiciary Committee’s important hearing today on executive privilege and Congressional oversight, we have excerpted portions of When Congress Comes Calling, The Constitution Project at the Project On Government Oversight’s study on legislative inquiry. The author of When Congress Comes Calling, Morton Rosenberg, served for over 35 years at the Congressional Research Service.

As these sections explain, while executive privilege has an important place in the separation of powers, history and case law show that it is far from absolute, and that Congress can, and has in the past, overcome many claims of privilege.

The reader is encouraged to read the link, an informative non partisan explanation of the limits of Executive privilege.

Psrtisan hack.

 

[bendog]

The House has the const power to set up rules and biz anyway they see fit inorder to do any action ok'd in the const. Whether impeachment is called for or not, not really relevant. But Trumpstettes complaints that somehow process is not followed is bs. Congress has changed powers of supbpoena and committee assignments at will. And it can do that.

and executive privilege trumps their move. the house can take them to court.

Oh yeah, Team Trump is heading to court.

In a sense it's like Team Trump saying ok Trump admits to holding up the aid. So impeach him. The Senate won't convict and in the end it'll help him with voters.

Nearly 60% approve of getting the truth out of Trump, an probably as many think investigating Biden for political gain is improper …. but in terms of the election … so what? W got reelected after the worst For Policy decision since 1966, and Obama got reelected with 8% unemployment. If the dems seem hellbent on just investigating to investigate …. it's not good for them.

 

[jc456]

The House has the const power to set up rules and biz anyway they see fit inorder to do any action ok'd in the const. Whether impeachment is called for or not, not really relevant. But Trumpstettes complaints that somehow process is not followed is bs. Congress has changed powers of supbpoena and committee assignments at will. And it can do that.

and executive privilege trumps their move. the house can take them to court.

Oh yeah, Team Trump is heading to court.

In a sense it's like Team Trump saying ok Trump admits to holding up the aid. So impeach him. The Senate won't convict and in the end it'll help him with voters.

Nearly 60% approve of getting the truth out of Trump, an probably as many think investigating Biden for political gain is improper …. but in terms of the election … so what? W got reelected after the worst For Policy decision since 1966, and Obama got reelected with 8% unemployment. If the dems seem hellbent on just investigating to investigate …. it's not good for them.

I don't put any weight in polls. that's useless data.

The ukraine government had no idea money was withheld, the guy on the other side of the line said so.

So, you gonna call him a liar too? How far does one go to show how much they hate someone and just ignore fact after fact after fact after fact after fact, to pound one's chest and scream I HATE YOUR MTHR FKING ASS TRUMP!!! go for it, let's see how loud you can get to show what a fool you are.