Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?

[Correll]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

Let's pretend that we spent a couple days where I cut and pasted various anti-American ACTIONS from Cuba over the years nad you stonewalled and gaslighted like a standard lib troll.


Ok?


Now, lets get back to the actual discussion. Cuba, if it wants better relations, needs to DO something to mend relations diplomatically.


Now is a great time. Biden is a good little leftard himself, and not all there. What are they waiting for?


Do they think Harris will be even better?


Hell, why didnt' they try to make up, during Obama's 8 years? WTF, were they doing? Playing with themselves?

That ship has largely sailed.

Obama yes, but Biden? He's a good leftard. Why is Cuba not making kissy face diplo noises?


They want better relations? ASK FOR THEM. NICELY. D'UH.

I do NOT care about the politics. I care about the people.

If you cared about the people then you would care about the politics running the people. You'd want and support their freedom, from the oppressive left wing socialist regime.

I support their protesting. That's the only way to enact change. We haven't helped by refusing to do business with them for 60 years and still refusing to over 60 year old grievances.

I'm open to better relations. Have they asked for better relations?

You put to much faith in politics.

Diplomacy is a sub set of Politics. If you want better international relations between two nation states, so that the lives of one group of citizens will improve,

you are talking about a political issue.


Knowing that, says NOTHING about my "faith in politics", whatever that means.


You want to address a political problem and avoid politics? You are choosing to fail, before you even start.


Which is fine. The lives of the Cubans is not our responsibility. It is the responsibility of their government.

 

[struth]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

Let's pretend that we spent a couple days where I cut and pasted various anti-American ACTIONS from Cuba over the years nad you stonewalled and gaslighted like a standard lib troll.


Ok?


Now, lets get back to the actual discussion. Cuba, if it wants better relations, needs to DO something to mend relations diplomatically.


Now is a great time. Biden is a good little leftard himself, and not all there. What are they waiting for?


Do they think Harris will be even better?


Hell, why didnt' they try to make up, during Obama's 8 years? WTF, were they doing? Playing with themselves?

That ship has largely sailed.

Obama yes, but Biden? He's a good leftard. Why is Cuba not making kissy face diplo noises?


They want better relations? ASK FOR THEM. NICELY. D'UH.

I do NOT care about the politics. I care about the people.

If you cared about the people then you would care about the politics running the people. You'd want and support their freedom, from the oppressive left wing socialist regime.

I support their protesting. That's the only way to enact change. We haven't helped by refusing to do business with them for 60 years and still refusing to over 60 year old grievances.

We don't do business with a regressive, oppressive, group of tyrants. We would love to do business with the people of Cuba...but under the current leftist regime, doing business with Cuba, only supports that regime, not the people.

 

[pknopp]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

Let's pretend that we spent a couple days where I cut and pasted various anti-American ACTIONS from Cuba over the years nad you stonewalled and gaslighted like a standard lib troll.


Ok?


Now, lets get back to the actual discussion. Cuba, if it wants better relations, needs to DO something to mend relations diplomatically.


Now is a great time. Biden is a good little leftard himself, and not all there. What are they waiting for?


Do they think Harris will be even better?


Hell, why didnt' they try to make up, during Obama's 8 years? WTF, were they doing? Playing with themselves?

That ship has largely sailed.

Obama yes, but Biden? He's a good leftard. Why is Cuba not making kissy face diplo noises?


They want better relations? ASK FOR THEM. NICELY. D'UH.

I do NOT care about the politics. I care about the people.

If you cared about the people then you would care about the politics running the people. You'd want and support their freedom, from the oppressive left wing socialist regime.

I support their protesting. That's the only way to enact change. We haven't helped by refusing to do business with them for 60 years and still refusing to over 60 year old grievances.

We don't do business with a regressive, oppressive, group of tyrants. We would love to do business with the people of Cuba...but under the current leftist regime, doing business with Cuba, only supports that regime, not the people.

Our actions made zero difference over 60 years. None. The only thing it did was hurt the people.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The only thing it did was hurt the people.

The only thing? Can you prove it?

 

[gipper]

I

where did Bush do that?

the law at the time said US businesses couldn’t do business with Cuba. Bush didn’t make the law.

Yes Trump put sanctions back on Cuba after they backed the oppressive dictator of Venezuela

And properly so. That is the proper response to a nation that is an oppressive monster to it's own people
and tries to aid another dictator/butcher, Hugo Chavez, in Venezuela spread socialist misery to other nations.

Actually what Chavez did with Petro Caribe was pretty smart.

Face facts, Socialism destroyed Venezuela... it's a cancer that's never worked....and never will.
A failed economic platform

Nonsense.
Individual corruption is what harmed Venezuela, and socialism had nothing at all to do with it.
The US also illegally caused a great deal of harm.
Most of the world is socialist, and all the good parts of the US are, like public transportation, education, social security, disability, ADC, food stamps, unemployment compensation, etc.

Wrong.

Socialism destroyed venezuela and we did nothing illegal to harm them

Your good old buddies in the CIA just tried to overthrow their government for the past ten years...that's all.

Evidence required.

Oh thats right your stupid ass never posts evidence, just babbling horseshit.

Why? You never post evidence. I suppose you really think your grandpa’s beloved and murderous agency would never overthrow a foreign government. LMFAO.

I always do when I statew something YOU NEVER do.

You claiom the CIA tried to overthrow the CUban government for the last ten years and that requires evidence.

Whether they ever have or not is irrelevant.

Post some efucking evidence you retatrd

Idiot. Grandpa Dulles is terribly ashamed of you.

 

[gipper]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

So true, yet so many Americans don’t get that.

Cuba did a little more than, "not bend to our every whim".

And hey, I'm open to hearing what they are doing to mend relations. After all, Cold War is over.

Yeah it’s up to little Cuba to fix the relationship, after the US government’s 60 year attack on it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yeah it’s up to little Cuba to fix the relationship after the US government’s 60 year attack on it.

Cuba doesn't need to do anything.

They have no room for improvement.

Worker's paradise don't cha know.........

 

[Soupnazi630]

I

where did Bush do that?

the law at the time said US businesses couldn’t do business with Cuba. Bush didn’t make the law.

Yes Trump put sanctions back on Cuba after they backed the oppressive dictator of Venezuela

And properly so. That is the proper response to a nation that is an oppressive monster to it's own people
and tries to aid another dictator/butcher, Hugo Chavez, in Venezuela spread socialist misery to other nations.

Actually what Chavez did with Petro Caribe was pretty smart.

Face facts, Socialism destroyed Venezuela... it's a cancer that's never worked....and never will.
A failed economic platform

Nonsense.
Individual corruption is what harmed Venezuela, and socialism had nothing at all to do with it.
The US also illegally caused a great deal of harm.
Most of the world is socialist, and all the good parts of the US are, like public transportation, education, social security, disability, ADC, food stamps, unemployment compensation, etc.

Wrong.

Socialism destroyed venezuela and we did nothing illegal to harm them

Your good old buddies in the CIA just tried to overthrow their government for the past ten years...that's all.

Evidence required.

Oh thats right your stupid ass never posts evidence, just babbling horseshit.

Why? You never post evidence. I suppose you really think your grandpa’s beloved and murderous agency would never overthrow a foreign government. LMFAO.

I always do when I statew something YOU NEVER do.

You claiom the CIA tried to overthrow the CUban government for the last ten years and that requires evidence.

Whether they ever have or not is irrelevant.

Post some efucking evidence you retatrd

Idiot. Grandpa Dulles is terribly ashamed of you.

I asked for evidence you communist shit for brains now post it.

 

[Soupnazi630]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

So true, yet so many Americans don’t get that.

Cuba did a little more than, "not bend to our every whim".

And hey, I'm open to hearing what they are doing to mend relations. After all, Cold War is over.

Yeah it’s up to little Cuba to fix the relationship, after the US government’s 60 year attack on it.

There was no attack ,since the bay of pigs, now post evidence for your claims.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I

where did Bush do that?

the law at the time said US businesses couldn’t do business with Cuba. Bush didn’t make the law.

Yes Trump put sanctions back on Cuba after they backed the oppressive dictator of Venezuela

And properly so. That is the proper response to a nation that is an oppressive monster to it's own people
and tries to aid another dictator/butcher, Hugo Chavez, in Venezuela spread socialist misery to other nations.

Actually what Chavez did with Petro Caribe was pretty smart.

Face facts, Socialism destroyed Venezuela... it's a cancer that's never worked....and never will.
A failed economic platform

Nonsense.
Individual corruption is what harmed Venezuela, and socialism had nothing at all to do with it.
The US also illegally caused a great deal of harm.
Most of the world is socialist, and all the good parts of the US are, like public transportation, education, social security, disability, ADC, food stamps, unemployment compensation, etc.

Wrong.

Socialism destroyed venezuela and we did nothing illegal to harm them

Your good old buddies in the CIA just tried to overthrow their government for the past ten years...that's all.

Evidence required.

Oh thats right your stupid ass never posts evidence, just babbling horseshit.

Why? You never post evidence. I suppose you really think your grandpa’s beloved and murderous agency would never overthrow a foreign government. LMFAO.

I always do when I statew something YOU NEVER do.

You claiom the CIA tried to overthrow the CUban government for the last ten years and that requires evidence.

Whether they ever have or not is irrelevant.

Post some efucking evidence you retatrd

Idiot. Grandpa Dulles is terribly ashamed of you.

I asked for evidence you communist shit for brains now post it.

Obama tried to overthrow the Cuban government......by kissing Castro's ass........

 

[pknopp]

The only thing it did was hurt the people.

The only thing? Can you prove it?

I've asked over and over what we accomplished and no one has come up with an answer outside of it making them feel better.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The only thing it did was hurt the people.

The only thing? Can you prove it?

I've asked over and over what we accomplished and no one has come up with an answer outside of it making them feel better.

No evidence Castro and the leaders weren't harmed?

 

[pknopp]

The only thing it did was hurt the people.

The only thing? Can you prove it?

I've asked over and over what we accomplished and no one has come up with an answer outside of it making them feel better.

No evidence Castro and the leaders weren't harmed?

No, not at all. Castro led a very good life.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The only thing it did was hurt the people.

The only thing? Can you prove it?

I've asked over and over what we accomplished and no one has come up with an answer outside of it making them feel better.

No evidence Castro and the leaders weren't harmed?

No, not at all. Castro led a very good life.

But you can't show that he wasn't harmed?

 

[pknopp]

The only thing it did was hurt the people.

The only thing? Can you prove it?

I've asked over and over what we accomplished and no one has come up with an answer outside of it making them feel better.

No evidence Castro and the leaders weren't harmed?

No, not at all. Castro led a very good life.

But you can't show that he wasn't harmed?

I can't show that Ren and Stimpy wasn't his favorite show either. One can not prove something that never happened. We can easily show the harm to the people.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The only thing it did was hurt the people.

The only thing? Can you prove it?

I've asked over and over what we accomplished and no one has come up with an answer outside of it making them feel better.

No evidence Castro and the leaders weren't harmed?

No, not at all. Castro led a very good life.

But you can't show that he wasn't harmed?

I can't show that Ren and Stimpy wasn't his favorite show either. One can not prove something that never happened. We can easily show the harm to the people.

Castro was known for using Cuban troops abroad to try to export his "revolution".
Would he have been more or less successful if he had more resources?

 

[pknopp]

The only thing it did was hurt the people.

The only thing? Can you prove it?

I've asked over and over what we accomplished and no one has come up with an answer outside of it making them feel better.

No evidence Castro and the leaders weren't harmed?

No, not at all. Castro led a very good life.

But you can't show that he wasn't harmed?

I can't show that Ren and Stimpy wasn't his favorite show either. One can not prove something that never happened. We can easily show the harm to the people.

Castro was known for using Cuban troops abroad to try to export his "revolution".
Would he have been more or less successful if he had more resources?

How successful have we been in trying to export our beliefs? We have failed over and over. If anything trying that would have completely bankrupted him but all the same, he didn't.

How is it that the "free marketers" really do not believe in that idea?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If anything trying that would have completely bankrupted him but all the same, he didn't.

He already bankrupted his country.
He could have caused more trouble for a longer period if he had more resources.

 

[dannyboys]

The issue is dead simple to settle.
Ask every fucking Cuban if he/she would vote to become a US State.
What the citizens of Cuba decide is what should happen.
When you go to the seminars all new FF franchise owners must attend one of the most important seminars one must attend centers around a very simple concept: If there are for instance six FF franchises in your community the franchise which will 100% of the time end up getting the most business from the community is the one that CONSISTENTLY offers the best quality product AND which comes to be known as a loyal supporter of the community.
How many people know that ALL the 'Royal Families', politically in Cuba, send their kids to DEMOCRATIC countries to be educated?

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?​

In a word YES!