Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?

[gipper]

The only thing it did was hurt the people.

The only thing? Can you prove it?

I've asked over and over what we accomplished and no one has come up with an answer outside of it making them feel better.

No evidence Castro and the leaders weren't harmed?

No, not at all. Castro led a very good life.

But you can't show that he wasn't harmed?

I can't show that Ren and Stimpy wasn't his favorite show either. One can not prove something that never happened. We can easily show the harm to the people.

Castro was known for using Cuban troops abroad to try to export his "revolution".
Would he have been more or less successful if he had more resources?

How successful have we been in trying to export our beliefs? We have failed over and over. If anything trying that would have completely bankrupted him but all the same, he didn't.

How is it that the "free marketers" really do not believe in that idea?

You’re fighting an uphill battle against stupidity. The establishment-parrot and Allen Dulles III are the forum’s leading imperialists.

 

[Donald H]

What is poverty when the people have health care that's rated as roughly equal to America's.

Rated by the inmates of the prison? Damn, you're a moron.

What is poverty when the people have access to unlimited education opportunities?

Nevermind the jackboot stomping on the human face forever, they enjoy free health care and 100 percent literacy......eh comrade?

Wouldn't it be jackbooted Americans who have run roughshod over 40 countries with its wars of aggression, just since the end of WW2.

I'm proud to support Cuba's efforts, regardless of whether or not they needed a successful communist revolution to achieve their victory over US imperialism.

They could have been slaughtered under US bombs the same as the people of Vietnam or Iraq or any of the other victim countries.

It all speaks well for communism doesn't it!

 

[Donald H]

Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?​

In a word YES!

Pretty much true but don't forget that they always were just another relatively poor banana republic to begin with, which has still managed to stand above other banana republics. With their progressive communist system, Cubans don't know 'real' poverty.

And now China's peaceful co-operation with Cuba has finally freed them from under the punishing US dirty tricks.

Americans can just stew in their juices and hate from 90 miles away now!

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

US sanctions and constant coup attempts had a lot to do that too.

As much as the draconian dictatorship of Hugo Chavez? Highly doubtful. Highly.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wouldn't it be jackbooted Americans who have run roughshod over 40 countries with its wars of aggression, just since the end of WW2.

Is that why Cubans kept escaping to America and Americans didn't escape to Cuba?

I'm proud to support Cuba's efforts,

Of course you are. They're marching to their glorious communist future.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?​

In a word YES!

Pretty much true but don't forget that they always were just another relatively poor banana republic to begin with, which has still managed to stand above other banana republics. With their progressive communist system, Cubans don't know 'real' poverty.

And now China's peaceful co-operation with Cuba has finally freed them from under the punishing US dirty tricks.

Americans can just stew in their juices and hate from 90 miles away now!

Pretty much true but don't forget that they always were just another relatively poor banana republic to begin with, which has still managed to stand above other banana republics.

Really? What was their standard of living in 1958? In 2018?

And now China's peaceful co-operation with Cuba has finally freed them from under the punishing US dirty tricks.

China is pretty awesome! So what's Cuba's GDP per person now? China levels? US levels? Higher?

 

[pknopp]

Wouldn't it be jackbooted Americans who have run roughshod over 40 countries with its wars of aggression, just since the end of WW2.

Is that why Cubans kept escaping to America and Americans didn't escape to Cuba?

I'm proud to support Cuba's efforts,

Of course you are. They're marching to their glorious communist future.

There are many Americans that want to go to Cuba.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wouldn't it be jackbooted Americans who have run roughshod over 40 countries with its wars of aggression, just since the end of WW2.

Is that why Cubans kept escaping to America and Americans didn't escape to Cuba?

I'm proud to support Cuba's efforts,

Of course you are. They're marching to their glorious communist future.

There are many Americans that want to go to Cuba.

Literally dozens who'd like to defect, eh?
What's stopping you?

 

[pknopp]

Wouldn't it be jackbooted Americans who have run roughshod over 40 countries with its wars of aggression, just since the end of WW2.

Is that why Cubans kept escaping to America and Americans didn't escape to Cuba?

I'm proud to support Cuba's efforts,

Of course you are. They're marching to their glorious communist future.

There are many Americans that want to go to Cuba.

Literally dozens who'd like to defect, eh?
What's stopping you?

Its not about you.....

 

[dudmuck]

Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?​

In a word YES!

Pretty much true but don't forget that they always were just another relatively poor banana republic to begin with, which has still managed to stand above other banana republics. With their progressive communist system, Cubans don't know 'real' poverty.

And now China's peaceful co-operation with Cuba has finally freed them from under the punishing US dirty tricks.

Americans can just stew in their juices and hate from 90 miles away now!

Pretty much true but don't forget that they always were just another relatively poor banana republic to begin with, which has still managed to stand above other banana republics.

Really? What was their standard of living in 1958? In 2018?

And now China's peaceful co-operation with Cuba has finally freed them from under the punishing US dirty tricks.

China is pretty awesome! So what's Cuba's GDP per person now? China levels? US levels? Higher?

 

[Donald H]

Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?​

In a word YES!

Pretty much true but don't forget that they always were just another relatively poor banana republic to begin with, which has still managed to stand above other banana republics. With their progressive communist system, Cubans don't know 'real' poverty.

And now China's peaceful co-operation with Cuba has finally freed them from under the punishing US dirty tricks.

Americans can just stew in their juices and hate from 90 miles away now!

Pretty much true but don't forget that they always were just another relatively poor banana republic to begin with, which has still managed to stand above other banana republics.

Really? What was their standard of living in 1958? In 2018?

And now China's peaceful co-operation with Cuba has finally freed them from under the punishing US dirty tricks.

China is pretty awesome! So what's Cuba's GDP per person now? China levels? US levels? Higher?

Cuba's standard of living is better than other banana republics because of their communist system. Their social program successes put an entirely different light on poverty.

That was able to happen even as America was completely intent on destroying Cuba.

Now China is there to lift US pressure off of Cuba and things can only get better.

In fact, when I was in Cuba 3 years ago, the growing prosperity was quite noticable.

But really, aside from that which I say being debated here, why do Americans still hate Cuba and their people?

They're not ever going to be a threat to America.
Even China is not a communist threat to America if America can finally change it's greedy capitalist system to one of 'socially' responsible capitalism that co-operates with the rest of the world's democracies.

Is the next country that falls victim to US occupation going to be Haiti? Will America act to uphold that country's system to protect it from communism?

If America doesn't deliver real aid to Haiti, China most likely will!

 

[Donald H]

Wouldn't it be jackbooted Americans who have run roughshod over 40 countries with its wars of aggression, just since the end of WW2.

Is that why Cubans kept escaping to America and Americans didn't escape to Cuba?

I'm proud to support Cuba's efforts,

Of course you are. They're marching to their glorious communist future.

There are many Americans that want to go to Cuba.

Literally dozens who'd like to defect, eh?
What's stopping you?

Its not about you.....

In fact many Canadians 'did' escape to Cuba for two or three week vacations. And some took up residence there for much longer periods of time.
We weren't told by our government that we weren't allowed to go to Cuba.

Did you hear the one about the Americans who went to Toronto to get flights to Cuba?
Cuban Custom officers placed stamps on their passports, the same as all others! LOL

I heard the joke long ago and I even saw it happen!

 

[gipper]

US sanctions and constant coup attempts had a lot to do that too.

As much as the draconian dictatorship of Hugo Chavez? Highly doubtful. Highly.

We’re debating Cuba not Venezuela. Try to keep up.

 

[Donald H]

US sanctions and constant coup attempts had a lot to do that too.

As much as the draconian dictatorship of Hugo Chavez? Highly doubtful. Highly.

We’re debating Cuba not Venezuela. Try to keep up.

Hugo took the side of his country's people.
He's hated by Americans for doing that because it's simply un-American.

So ya see, this is why 'communism' is always at least worthy of debate and some consideration.

China is moving into Venezuela too now and by invitation of the government. Isn't that a terrible thing for China to do! The're actually siding with Venezuela's poor and working class, over the interests of US oil corporations!

 

[Correll]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

So true, yet so many Americans don’t get that.

Cuba did a little more than, "not bend to our every whim".

And hey, I'm open to hearing what they are doing to mend relations. After all, Cold War is over.

Yeah it’s up to little Cuba to fix the relationship, after the US government’s 60 year attack on it.

Agreed. We don't need them, they need US. They want better relations, I'm open to what they have to say.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

WRONG!
Cuba never had a choice and never was against the US.
We simply refused their ambassadors, including Castro himself, and then tried to invade them.
Then we illegally threaten any country from doing business with them.
All the damage was done deliberately the US.
And by the way, the US illegally also allowed the stolen Cuban treasury to be banked here.

So, what have they done to repair relations?

Since it was the US that did all the harm, such as setting up Batista as the evil dictator that murdered thousands of Cubans, how could Cuba "repair relations"?
Cuba would not have been broke and needed Soviet help if the US has not allowed Batista to get away with stealing the Cuban treasury.

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

Let's pretend that we spent a couple days where I cut and pasted various anti-American ACTIONS from Cuba over the years nad you stonewalled and gaslighted like a standard lib troll.


Ok?


Now, lets get back to the actual discussion. Cuba, if it wants better relations, needs to DO something to mend relations diplomatically.


Now is a great time. Biden is a good little leftard himself, and not all there. What are they waiting for?


Do they think Harris will be even better?


Hell, why didnt' they try to make up, during Obama's 8 years? WTF, were they doing? Playing with themselves?

That ship has largely sailed.

Obama yes, but Biden? He's a good leftard. Why is Cuba not making kissy face diplo noises?


They want better relations? ASK FOR THEM. NICELY. D'UH.

I do NOT care about the politics. I care about the people.

If you cared about the people then you would care about the politics running the people. You'd want and support their freedom, from the oppressive left wing socialist regime.

I support their protesting. That's the only way to enact change. We haven't helped by refusing to do business with them for 60 years and still refusing to over 60 year old grievances.

I'm open to better relations. Have they asked for better relations?

China is coming to their rescue and unlike Russia they have the money to really do something....the question being--what will they do.

What would Biden do if China installs nuclear tipped missles in Cuba?

 

[struth]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

Let's pretend that we spent a couple days where I cut and pasted various anti-American ACTIONS from Cuba over the years nad you stonewalled and gaslighted like a standard lib troll.


Ok?


Now, lets get back to the actual discussion. Cuba, if it wants better relations, needs to DO something to mend relations diplomatically.


Now is a great time. Biden is a good little leftard himself, and not all there. What are they waiting for?


Do they think Harris will be even better?


Hell, why didnt' they try to make up, during Obama's 8 years? WTF, were they doing? Playing with themselves?

That ship has largely sailed.

Obama yes, but Biden? He's a good leftard. Why is Cuba not making kissy face diplo noises?


They want better relations? ASK FOR THEM. NICELY. D'UH.

I do NOT care about the politics. I care about the people.

If you cared about the people then you would care about the politics running the people. You'd want and support their freedom, from the oppressive left wing socialist regime.

I support their protesting. That's the only way to enact change. We haven't helped by refusing to do business with them for 60 years and still refusing to over 60 year old grievances.

We don't do business with a regressive, oppressive, group of tyrants. We would love to do business with the people of Cuba...but under the current leftist regime, doing business with Cuba, only supports that regime, not the people.

Our actions made zero difference over 60 years. None. The only thing it did was hurt the people.

What are you talking about? Our actions didn't hurt the people, their own oppressive Govts actions did. We are not at all responsible for the actions of Castro and his regime. That is just silly to try and blame the USA for the actions of other countries....are you gonna now blame the US for how the Italians were treated under Mussolini? Iraqis under Saddam? Russians under the USSR? the Venezuluans? geez...

and now, they want freedom...we can take action now to help them...but Xiden won't

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

WRONG!
Cuba never had a choice and never was against the US.
We simply refused their ambassadors, including Castro himself, and then tried to invade them.
Then we illegally threaten any country from doing business with them.
All the damage was done deliberately the US.
And by the way, the US illegally also allowed the stolen Cuban treasury to be banked here.

So, what have they done to repair relations?

Since it was the US that did all the harm, such as setting up Batista as the evil dictator that murdered thousands of Cubans, how could Cuba "repair relations"?
Cuba would not have been broke and needed Soviet help if the US has not allowed Batista to get away with stealing the Cuban treasury.

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

Let's pretend that we spent a couple days where I cut and pasted various anti-American ACTIONS from Cuba over the years nad you stonewalled and gaslighted like a standard lib troll.


Ok?


Now, lets get back to the actual discussion. Cuba, if it wants better relations, needs to DO something to mend relations diplomatically.


Now is a great time. Biden is a good little leftard himself, and not all there. What are they waiting for?


Do they think Harris will be even better?


Hell, why didnt' they try to make up, during Obama's 8 years? WTF, were they doing? Playing with themselves?

That ship has largely sailed.

Obama yes, but Biden? He's a good leftard. Why is Cuba not making kissy face diplo noises?


They want better relations? ASK FOR THEM. NICELY. D'UH.

I do NOT care about the politics. I care about the people.

If you cared about the people then you would care about the politics running the people. You'd want and support their freedom, from the oppressive left wing socialist regime.

I support their protesting. That's the only way to enact change. We haven't helped by refusing to do business with them for 60 years and still refusing to over 60 year old grievances.

I'm open to better relations. Have they asked for better relations?

China is coming to their rescue and unlike Russia they have the money to really do something....the question being--what will they do.

What would Biden do if China installs nuclear tipped missles in Cuba?

Xiden will just cash that 10 percent kickback check to the big guy

 

[TheGreenHornet]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

So true, yet so many Americans don’t get that.

Cuba did a little more than, "not bend to our every whim".

And hey, I'm open to hearing what they are doing to mend relations. After all, Cold War is over.

Yeah it’s up to little Cuba to fix the relationship, after the US government’s 60 year attack on it.

Agreed. We don't need them, they need US. They want better relations, I'm open to what they have to say.

The communists have no interest in better relations....the die was cast long ago....the U.S. is the great Satan.

Look for serious developments in their relations with China...a great opportunity for China to get the upper hand on America....90 miles off our shores and biden is paralyzed.....all he thinks about is what kind of ice cream mama will let him have.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wouldn't it be jackbooted Americans who have run roughshod over 40 countries with its wars of aggression, just since the end of WW2.

Is that why Cubans kept escaping to America and Americans didn't escape to Cuba?

I'm proud to support Cuba's efforts,

Of course you are. They're marching to their glorious communist future.

There are many Americans that want to go to Cuba.

Literally dozens who'd like to defect, eh?
What's stopping you?

Its not about you.....

Obviously.

It's about the Cuban people seeking freedom.
And a couple of dozen commies here who won't leave.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?​

In a word YES!

Pretty much true but don't forget that they always were just another relatively poor banana republic to begin with, which has still managed to stand above other banana republics. With their progressive communist system, Cubans don't know 'real' poverty.

And now China's peaceful co-operation with Cuba has finally freed them from under the punishing US dirty tricks.

Americans can just stew in their juices and hate from 90 miles away now!

Pretty much true but don't forget that they always were just another relatively poor banana republic to begin with, which has still managed to stand above other banana republics.

Really? What was their standard of living in 1958? In 2018?

And now China's peaceful co-operation with Cuba has finally freed them from under the punishing US dirty tricks.

China is pretty awesome! So what's Cuba's GDP per person now? China levels? US levels? Higher?

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

So true, yet so many Americans don’t get that.

Cuba did a little more than, "not bend to our every whim".

And hey, I'm open to hearing what they are doing to mend relations. After all, Cold War is over.

Yeah it’s up to little Cuba to fix the relationship, after the US government’s 60 year attack on it.

Castro's big mistake was alienating America......he could have had a great legacy but he was too petulant....biting off his nose to despite his face aka aligning Kooba wid Communist Russia....how stewpid!!!