Is there a place of eternal punishment?

[PainefulTruth]

I believe the references to such a place is symbolism in Gods written word. That the lake of fire( eternal destruction) = the second death( no life in death) Jesus taught those who walk the broad and spacious path that leads to destruction.
Also when one knows the true God, they know it cannot be a truthful teaching. Here is what Gods written word teaches about who the true God is.

Deuteronomy 32:4-- All of Gods ways are justice--- God taught us all that justice-- an eye for an eye--- a balanced set of scales, God applies to all decisions. Lets apply this teaching to Gods scales.

On one side--70-90 years of unrepented sin ------- on the other side- trillions x trillions x trillions etc, of never ending years of punishment.

See any balance--NO-- not Gods scales--thus a sadistic lie taught about the true God by teachers of darkness.

Then those must not be God's written words after all. It makes much more sense that Biblical references to the Lake of Fire version of Hell were written by vengeful, sadistic fear-mongers.

 

[editec]

Is there a place of eternal punishment?

"L'enfer, c'est les autres,"



Joseph Garcin​

 

[rightwinger]

Is there a place of eternal punishment?

Yes, this Message Board

 

[Pogo]

Is there a place of eternal punishment?

"L'enfer, c'est les autres,"



Joseph Garcin​

Mais non, c'était Jean-Paul Sartre, je crois...

 

[kjw47]

I believe the references to such a place is symbolism in Gods written word. That the lake of fire( eternal destruction) = the second death( no life in death) Jesus taught those who walk the broad and spacious path that leads to destruction.
Also when one knows the true God, they know it cannot be a truthful teaching. Here is what Gods written word teaches about who the true God is.

Deuteronomy 32:4-- All of Gods ways are justice--- God taught us all that justice-- an eye for an eye--- a balanced set of scales, God applies to all decisions. Lets apply this teaching to Gods scales.

On one side--70-90 years of unrepented sin ------- on the other side- trillions x trillions x trillions etc, of never ending years of punishment.

See any balance--NO-- not Gods scales--thus a sadistic lie taught about the true God by teachers of darkness.

Then those must not be God's written words after all. It makes much more sense that Biblical references to the Lake of Fire version of Hell were written by vengeful, sadistic fear-mongers.

Actually there is a lot of symbolism in Gods written word-- for one reason--so satan couldn't twist it all like he did with some of it. Only the true teachers of Jesus get truths revealed to them at the proper time.

 

[kjw47]

I believe the references to such a place is symbolism in Gods written word. That the lake of fire( eternal destruction) = the second death( no life in death) Jesus taught those who walk the broad and spacious path that leads to destruction.
Also when one knows the true God, they know it cannot be a truthful teaching. Here is what Gods written word teaches about who the true God is.

Deuteronomy 32:4-- All of Gods ways are justice--- God taught us all that justice-- an eye for an eye--- a balanced set of scales, God applies to all decisions. Lets apply this teaching to Gods scales.

On one side--70-90 years of unrepented sin ------- on the other side- trillions x trillions x trillions etc, of never ending years of punishment.

See any balance--NO-- not Gods scales--thus a sadistic lie taught about the true God by teachers of darkness.

And this garbage is supposed to help you avoid it? It's time to grow up.

Actually learning Jesus' truths and applying them will help one avoid what is coming.

 

[kjw47]

Yes the world will see Gods wrath( vengeance) but one still has to apply Deuteronomy 32:4--All of Gods ways are justice--that means even in his wrath--his balanced justice scales would be in every decision. An eternal torment place is not literal--

I've been reading "Word Studies in the Greek New Testament" (Volume III) by Dr. Kenneth Wuest who was one of the NASB translators and was also a professor of Greek.

He quotes Moulton and Milligan's "Vocabulary of the Greek Testament", Grimm-Thayer, Webster's International Dictionary, Biblico-Theological Lexicon of New Testament Gree, by Herman Cremer, D.D., the LXX, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament by Joseph Henry Thayer, D.D., Liddell and Scott's Greek-English Lexicon (classical).

Wuest says "Matthew 25:41 tells us that this everlasting fire is prepared for the devil and his angels. The word 'prepared' in the Greek is in the perfect tense, which tense speaks of a past complete action that has present results."-p.40 (second section of books bundled together in one book)

Wuest also writes "As to Mark 3:29, the best Greek texts have 'sin' instead of 'damnation,' which latter word appears in the A.V., as translation of a Greek word meaning 'judgment," and which is a rejected reading. The words 'in danger of' are from a Greek word which refers to anyone 'held in anything so that he cannot escape.' Thus the one who committed the sin referred to in this passage in the grasp of an eternal sin, the sin being eternal, not in the sense of eternally repeating itself, but in that it is eternal in its guilt. Such a sin demands eternal punishment. In II Thessalonians 1:9 we have 'everlasting destruction.' The Greek word translated 'destruction' does not mean 'annihilation.' Moulton and Milligan define its first century Biblical usage as follows: 'ruin, the loss of all that gives worth to existence.' Thayer in his lexicon gives the meanings 'ruin, destruction, death.' The word comes from the verb meaning 'to destroy.' But to destroy something does not mean to put it out of existence, but to ruin it, to reduce it to such form that it loses all that gave worth to its existence. One may burn down a beautiful mansion. The materials which composed it are still in existence, a heap of ashes, but it is in such form that it has lost all that gave worth to its existence as a mansion. The eternal condition in which the soul lives forever in a state devoid of all that makes existence worthwhile."-p. 41

I showed you what Gods word teaches about who the true God is and his justice--Hell is not literal. You can believe what Gods word teaches about God or listen to twisted meanings of men who obviously do not know God. The majority of mankind doesn't know God

Here are undisputable facts of history------ Abraham, Moses, Noah, David, Elijah, Daniel, every Israelite that ever served the true God--served a single being God named YHWH(Jehovah) the same God Jesus serves--John 20:17, rev 3:12--the same God taught to Jesus his first 30 years in synagogues--he never refuted that teaching--it would have been a priority for him to refute that God he was taught if it weren't his God that he knew allready.

 

[Avatar4321]

Yes there is a place of Eternal Punishment.

The real question is: What is Eternal Punishment?

 

[kjw47]

Yes there is a place of Eternal Punishment.

The real question is: What is Eternal Punishment?

Jesus the exact image of God showed all the true God and his will---- Would the Jesus you read about create an place of eternal torment? No he would not--

Unfortunately this world lives under satans illusions( 2 cor 11:12-15)

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Yes.

Here on Earth it is known as

Somalia.

 

[Chuckt]

Yes there is a place of Eternal Punishment.

The real question is: What is Eternal Punishment?

Jesus the exact image of God showed all the true God and his will---- Would the Jesus you read about create an place of eternal torment? No he would not--

Unfortunately this world lives under satans illusions( 2 cor 11:12-15)

You can't claim to know God and deny what God's words say.

 

[kjw47]

Yes there is a place of Eternal Punishment.

The real question is: What is Eternal Punishment?

Jesus the exact image of God showed all the true God and his will---- Would the Jesus you read about create an place of eternal torment? No he would not--

Unfortunately this world lives under satans illusions( 2 cor 11:12-15)

You can't claim to know God and deny what God's words say.

The story of the rich man and Lazerus had to be symbolism-- if one could look down and see their loved ones suffering--they wouldn't find much happiness. It would bring pain to their hearts--Gods word promised no mourning, outcry or pain in Gods kingdom. Symbolism- Eternally cut off from God--Lake of Fire= destruction in this case.
Doesn't Gods word teach God is a God of love,merciful---- your rendition of him is sadistic.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Is there a place of eternal punishment?

For right wing reactionaries and libertarians, there is such a place: electoral hell.

 

[Chuckt]

Doesn't Gods word teach God is a God of love,merciful---- your rendition of him is sadistic.

God is not going to allow any sin in His house.
The people who don't make it to heaven are people who have already judged themselves or God.
Divine rape would be God making people go to heaven. The alternate is hell.

Hell wasn't originally made for man. It was made for the devil and his angels.

In any event, your reasoning is that because you don't like the facts, you have to reject the facts of what was said in the Bible. My response is that's life. You lose.

 

[theword]

I believe the references to such a place is symbolism in Gods written word. That the lake of fire( eternal destruction) = the second death( no life in death) Jesus taught those who walk the broad and spacious path that leads to destruction.
Also when one knows the true God, they know it cannot be a truthful teaching. Here is what Gods written word teaches about who the true God is.

Deuteronomy 32:4-- All of Gods ways are justice--- God taught us all that justice-- an eye for an eye--- a balanced set of scales, God applies to all decisions. Lets apply this teaching to Gods scales.

On one side--70-90 years of unrepented sin ------- on the other side- trillions x trillions x trillions etc, of never ending years of punishment.

See any balance--NO-- not Gods scales--thus a sadistic lie taught about the true God by teachers of darkness.

And this garbage is supposed to help you avoid it? It's time to grow up.

Actually learning Jesus' truths and applying them will help one avoid what is coming.

The Roman religious leaders who had all the saints killed and published their new testament to deceive their Christians were sinners. Sinners are liars.

 

[theword]

Doesn't Gods word teach God is a God of love,merciful---- your rendition of him is sadistic.

God is not going to allow any sin in His house.
The people who don't make it to heaven are people who have already judged themselves or God.
Divine rape would be God making people go to heaven. The alternate is hell.

Hell wasn't originally made for man. It was made for the devil and his angels.

In any event, your reasoning is that because you don't like the facts, you have to reject the facts of what was said in the Bible. My response is that's life. You lose.

You're not even a good liar like some Christians are.

 

[theword]

Jesus the exact image of God showed all the true God and his will---- Would the Jesus you read about create an place of eternal torment? No he would not--

Unfortunately this world lives under satans illusions( 2 cor 11:12-15)

You can't claim to know God and deny what God's words say.

The story of the rich man and Lazerus had to be symbolism-- if one could look down and see their loved ones suffering--they wouldn't find much happiness. It would bring pain to their hearts--Gods word promised no mourning, outcry or pain in Gods kingdom. Symbolism- Eternally cut off from God--Lake of Fire= destruction in this case.
Doesn't Gods word teach God is a God of love,merciful---- your rendition of him is sadistic.

Psalms 22: 27-29
27: All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the LORD; and all the families of the nations shall worship before him.
28: For dominion belongs to the LORD, and he rules over the nations.
29: Yea, to him shall all the proud of the earth bow down; before him shall bow all who go down to the dust, and he who cannot keep himself alive.

The proud is the "flesh" of man, not the spirit that remains in the spirit of God.

 

[hobelim]

Absurd.

Truth is stranger than fiction sometimes. Nevertheless, it is still the truth.

No, it's not "truth", it's theory, and a pretty silly one. Right up there with monsters under the bed -- anthropomorphizing mysteries we don't understand and inventing a scapegoat, then pointing to what we just invented and declaring "he did it".

The truth is, proving the existence of Satan is the same challenge as proving the existence of God. Can't be done.

Although I agree with much of what you said, proving the existence of Satan is as simple as understanding the metaphors of a fairy tale written to educate children of a people surrounded by other nations whose people were little more than animals of all shapes and sizes, lower beasts with the outward form and shape of a human being.

Satan is introduced in Genesis exactly like any character in a fairy tale. A talking serpent can only be figurative for a deceptive person that scripture assigns certain identifying characteristics.

The serpent is the most crafty of all the wild beasts, wild beasts symbolic of other types of unrefined people, unintelligent unthinking and unethical lowlifes.

The serpent presents itself as illuminated, enlightened.

The serpent tries to persuade the gullible that they can be 'like God' if they would only 'just believe'' and set aside the divine commands.

The serpent claims that one can defy the will of God and not die but instead will live forever.


What is also true of the serpent is that he bears the signs of divine condemnation.

He crawls on its belly, (is pusillanimous), eats dust, (believes bullshit) and has anti-Semitic tendencies, eternal enmity between the children of the serpent and the children of Adam.


If you look carefully you can see this board infested by many serpents, living proof of the existence of the evil villain, Satan, a talking serpent by far more perverse and maliciously deceptive and subtle than any monstrous character ever imagined in any fairy tale.

 

[Pogo]

Truth is stranger than fiction sometimes. Nevertheless, it is still the truth.

No, it's not "truth", it's theory, and a pretty silly one. Right up there with monsters under the bed -- anthropomorphizing mysteries we don't understand and inventing a scapegoat, then pointing to what we just invented and declaring "he did it".

The truth is, proving the existence of Satan is the same challenge as proving the existence of God. Can't be done.

Although I agree with much of what you said, proving the existence of Satan is as simple as understanding the metaphors of a fairy tale written to educate children of a people surrounded by other nations whose people were little more than animals of all shapes and sizes, lower beasts with the outward form and shape of a human being.

Satan is introduced in Genesis exactly like any character in a fairy tale. A talking serpent can only be figurative for a deceptive person that scripture assigns certain identifying characteristics.

The serpent is the most crafty of all the wild beasts, wild beasts symbolic of other types of unrefined people, unintelligent unthinking and unethical lowlifes.

The serpent presents itself as illuminated, enlightened.

The serpent tries to persuade the gullible that they can be 'like God' if they would only 'just believe'' and set aside the divine commands.

The serpent claims that one can defy the will of God and not die but instead will live forever.


What is also true of the serpent is that he bears the signs of divine condemnation.

He crawls on its belly, (is pusillanimous), eats dust, (believes bullshit) and has anti-Semitic tendencies, eternal enmity between the children of the serpent and the children of Adam.


If you look carefully you can see this board infested by many serpents, living proof of the existence of the evil villain, Satan, a talking serpent by far more perverse and maliciously deceptive and subtle than any monstrous character ever imagined in any fairy tale.

Uh - yeah right. "I say these guys are snakes, therefore Satan"

Circular reasoning proves nothing. Dismissed.

 

[Vandalshandle]

There is, indeed, a place of eternal punishment. If you even have to ask this question, then it is obvious that you have never been on the "It's a small world afterall" ride at Disneyworld....