Is World War just Become Inevitable now, Due to the Recent Escalation?

[alexa]

Was listening to people talk on Youtube. They were talking about how crazy it is that the US is going after Russia when it is China that needs its immediate attention. They agreed that the US really wants to stop Russia from being a Super Power and Russia will not allow it so there is no where to move. Then there was the thought that this could be the US's Suez signaling the end of it's place as an imperial power.

 

[fncceo]

I would agree, but with qualifications.

There is no such thing as a qualified inevitability.

Something either is, or is not, inevitable.

 

[Jaxson]

The thing is Jax, Russia could wipe the entire Ukraine off the map in a matter of minutes.

But maybe a few minutes longer to deal with America.

But about as quickly as America would need to do the same with Russia.

Sure, but that's not likely to happen. We could have wiped Nam off the map as well, but we didn't and lost.

 

[Donald H]

Sure, but that's not likely to happen. We could have wiped Nam off the map as well, but we didn't and lost.

Yes, of course America could have went nuclear. But so would have Russia.

 

[Donald H]

Was listening to people talk on Youtube. They were talking about how crazy it is that the US is going after Russia when it is China that needs its immediate attention. They agreed that the US really wants to stop Russia from being a Super Power and Russia will not allow it so there is no where to move. Then there was the thought that this could be the US's Suez signaling the end of it's place as an imperial power.

It makes complete sense that America wants to eliminate Russia because of Russia's alliance with China.

And of course China is next on America's hitlist if it can conclude the war with Russia to it's satisfaction.

Any other understanding is just ignorance of the facts.

America is the underdog in an economic war if it's against both China and Russia.

 

[alexa]

It makes complete sense that America wants to eliminate Russia because of Russia's alliance with China.

There's not really any reason except stupidity for the US to want to destroy Russia.

And of course China is next on America's hitlist if it can conclude the war with Russia to it's satisfaction.

and that is what they were talking about. China needs attention. Hit list no but the US will be stuck with Russia because Russia is not going to allow the States to stop it from being a Superpower and the US will not be satisfied until that is the case.

Any other understanding is just ignorance of the facts.

Oh boy.

America is the underdog in an economic war if it's against both China and Russia.

Economics should not be war. Russia is nowhere on the economic level and the US would do better being friendly rather than wanting another war. This war is going to change everything both for Europe and the US and probably Canada as well. Chris Hedges was interviewing a Brit last night and he pointed out that we have given up everything which used to be good about us. Free speech, integrity and so on. Now NATO/ the US and the UK is just a war machine incapable of Diplomacy. Because the dollar has been weaponised the Brics will likely move out of it. It may well be that the US is facing its Suez. It was John Mearsheimer I was listening to. I don't know the name of the man who was interviewing him.

 

[okfine]

No.

 

[Flash]

Was listening to people talk on Youtube. They were talking about how crazy it is that the US is going after Russia when it is China that needs its immediate attention. They agreed that the US really wants to stop Russia from being a Super Power and Russia will not allow it so there is no where to move. Then there was the thought that this could be the US's Suez signaling the end of it's place as an imperial power.

China gave the Bidens a billion dollars.

Ukraine gave ole Hunter a nice fat $80K a month salary on top of a few million in payouts to do nothing for a couple of years.

Russia only gave them a couple of million.

Does that answer your question?

 

[Rambunctious]

Why do the Neo-GOP continue to mischaraacterize what the president said. Didn't Russian irregular troops and Russian supported militia's already make minor incursions into Ukraine territory?

"I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do."

How Biden is trying to clean up his comments about Russia and Ukraine

President Biden said there was uncertainty among allies about how they would respond to a "minor incursion" by Russia into Ukraine. That led to alarm overseas — and a clean-up at home.

www.npr.org

Ya just can't trust the Neo-GOP whenever they talk about Biden, ever.

Maybe because we heard him say it not what CNN reported he said like you dummy.....

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Russia wasn't challenged by Trump to any serious level. And the Ukrainians weren't being coerced to challenge Russia to a critical point.


It's America that invades countries. About 40 of them since the end of WW2.

Russia has pursued efforts of finding a peaceful approach to US aggression.

The whistle was blown on America with the Iraq war in which America was shown to be a warmongering pariah nation, caught redhanded in lies to justify war.

That's silly as I said Russia was silent the four years of Trump. Why would he have to challenge a sovereign nation?

 

[candycorn]

no

 

[evenflow1969]

Was listening to people talk on Youtube. They were talking about how crazy it is that the US is going after Russia when it is China that needs its immediate attention. They agreed that the US really wants to stop Russia from being a Super Power and Russia will not allow it so there is no where to move. Then there was the thought that this could be the US's Suez signaling the end of it's place as an imperial power.

Lol, the Chinese are not Sabre rattling nukes. Furthermore I guess I am not worried about them much. The yen is collapsing and they killed all their daughters for like 50 years. Their population is going to plummet soon. Putlers idiocy has earned him enemy number one status. Leave the Ukraine and quit threatening nukes that can change but for now he is the world's biggest issue. Hopefully we see him swinging from a tree soon.

 

[toomuchtime_]

That's silly as I said Russia was silent the four years of Trump. Why would he have to challenge a sovereign nation?

That's not quite true.

The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty, signed in 1987, prohibits the United States and Russia from possessing ground-launched ballistic and cruise missiles with ranges between 500 and 5,500 KM in order to diminish the risk of nuclear war. In the early years of this historic treaty, both sides collectively destroyed more than 2,600 missiles, eliminating an entire class of weapons.

Unfortunately, that was then and this is now. Russia is cheating on the INF Treaty. Russia started its covert program to violate the INF Treaty probably by the mid-2000s and now has fielded multiple battalions of an illegal missile that flies to ranges prohibited by the INF Treaty. Substantial evidence leading to this conclusion was accumulated over time.

Technical Difficulties

As the rest of the link details, Putin ignored Trump's objections and effectively ended the INF, making the world a much more dangerous place. This was a major failure of the Trump administration in dealing with Russia.

There has been a clear line of progression starting before the 2014 Russian invasion of Ukraine right down to the current Russian invasion. Trump claims Putin would not have dared to invade Ukraine because Putin had too much respect for him, Trump, but clearly Putin showed no more respect for Trump than he had for Obama. However, Biden does seem to have gotten Putin's attention.

 

[g5000]

who suggested in public that Putin could take a small part of Ukraine before the fighting even began... back when we should have been using diplomacy to keep it from happening....

Tell us Biden's exact words.

There was no diplomacy which was going to stop Putin from invading. Exactly what do you idiots think was a diplomatic solution which would have prevented the invasion?

 

[Rambunctious]

Tell us Biden's exact words.

There was no diplomacy which was going to stop Putin from invading. Exactly what do you idiots think was a diplomatic solution which would have prevented the invasion?

Diplomacy wasn't even attempted... it wasn't that long ago... we all watched it get started.... it didn't start over night... Biden saw an opportunity to blame a war in Europe for his lousy economy.... and so he slow walked it until Putin went in full on.....

 

[1srelluc]

I hear that they got the German consulate building.....The square-heads had evacuated it sometime ago. The irony is that they likely paid for the missile that hit it.

 

[g5000]

Diplomacy wasn't even attempted... it wasn't that long ago... we all watched it get started.... it didn't start over night... Biden saw an opportunity to blame a war in Europe for his lousy economy.... and so he slow walked it until Putin went in full on.....

Sooooo...you don't have his exact words. Just a crackpot conspiracy theory.

Ooookaaaayyyyy!

 

[g5000]

 

[bigrebnc1775]

That's not quite true.

The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty, signed in 1987, prohibits the United States and Russia from possessing ground-launched ballistic and cruise missiles with ranges between 500 and 5,500 KM in order to diminish the risk of nuclear war. In the early years of this historic treaty, both sides collectively destroyed more than 2,600 missiles, eliminating an entire class of weapons.

Unfortunately, that was then and this is now. Russia is cheating on the INF Treaty. Russia started its covert program to violate the INF Treaty probably by the mid-2000s and now has fielded multiple battalions of an illegal missile that flies to ranges prohibited by the INF Treaty. Substantial evidence leading to this conclusion was accumulated over time.

Technical Difficulties

As the rest of the link details, Putin ignored Trump's objections and effectively ended the INF, making the world a much more dangerous place. This was a major failure of the Trump administration in dealing with Russia.

There has been a clear line of progression starting before the 2014 Russian invasion of Ukraine right down to the current Russian invasion. Trump claims Putin would not have dared to invade Ukraine because Putin had too much respect for him, Trump, but clearly Putin showed no more respect for Trump than he had for Obama. However, Biden does seem to have gotten Putin's attention.

Again when did Putin invaded another country while Trump was president? No answer shut the fuck up about what is and isn't true.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Again when did Putin invaded another country while Trump was president? No answer shut the fuck up about what is and isn't true.

That's only because Trump lucked out and lost the election.