Israel and weapons of mass destruction

[Wolverine1984]

Guy, I can claim to be a Klingon, it doesn't make me a Klingon.

There are about 2000 years of Separation between European Jews and Israelites.

For example a black person doesn't suddenly become white if he speaks English and celebrates Christmas.

Nope, but he's no longer African at that point. My grandparents came over from Germany. I am not a German, I'm an American.

According to their tradition, the Jewish people originated from the Israelites of the Southern Levant,

According to their "Tradition". Not their actual ancestory. You make the comment about an American who learns to speak Japanese not being Japanese. I agree with that. And a European who picked Judaism (or his remote ancestors did) do not become "Israelites", because Judaism is closer to what the Israelites practiced than Christianity or Islam.

Did you know that there are 5000 Samaritans in Israel today? They read from the Torah, but they aren't Jews, they don't accept the latter writings of Judaism. So why aren't they getting their own country?

This fight over who the Magic Sky Pixie gave the land to is kind of silly.

Guy, I can claim to be a Klingon, it doesn't make me a Klingon.

Saying that does not make you Klingon. What makes you a Klingon is if you have genetic ties to the Klingon race who lived in Klingonlandia 2000 years ago.

My grandparents came over from Germany. I am not a German, I'm an American.

Being German or American is not a race it's a nationality a Klingon living in America or Germany is still a Klingon.

According to their "Tradition". Not their actual ancestory.

It seems you elegantly ignored the part about

Genetic studies on Jews show that most Jews worldwide do indeed bear a common genetic heritage which originates in the Middle East, and that they bear their strongest resemblance to the peoples of the Fertile Crescent, with only minor contribution from their host populations[17]

Another thing you elegantly ignored :

If the Jews were completely integrated in European society ,how did the Nazis and other Jew prosecutors told them apart ?
If for all means and purposes the Jews were European , how did Hitler know who to send to the ghetto ?

Did you know that there are 5000 Samaritans in Israel today? They read from the Torah, but they aren't Jews, they don't accept the latter writings of Judaism. So why aren't they getting their own country?

I did not know there are 5000 Samaritans in Israel today, neither did Wikipedia,oh this is awkward:
It seems Wikipedia thinks that the total number of Samaritans is 745, and that about 350 of them live in Israel and about 350 live in the Palestinians territories.

Samaritan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This fight over who the Magic Sky Pixie gave the land to is kind of silly.

If the fight was really about who's magic sky pixie gave the land to i would completely agree with you.
I never said , nor will I every say that Israels right to exist is based on some imaginary fried promising them the land.

 

[Wolverine1984]

If you are referring to the US foreign aid given to Israel you should note few facts:

In fiscal year 2009, the U.S. government allocated the following amounts for aid:
Total economic and military assistance: $47.7 billion
Israel is the recipient of $5.2 of that money.
That makes it about 10% of the total amount.

American Tax dollars goes to many countries and yet it seems you are more upset about the 10% going to Israel then the 90% going to other places.

Israel touts it's self as a very prosperous First World democracy with a robust economy and leading in many ares of research and development.

So why should Israel get a single penny of aid from America?

As for the other 90%

Hopefully, it is going to countries that really need the help.

First of all I must apologize and state that i have miscalculated , after a deeper look in the Wiki article it seems
The total US aid to Israel in 2009 was $2,432.30 Billion witch is about 5% of the total sum.

As to your question:

So why should Israel get a single penny of aid from America?

99% Of the aid Israel receives from the US is not economic but military, and the reasons the US does this are as follows :

Foreign military financing provides grants for the acquisition of U.S. defense equipment, services, and tning. These grants enable friends and allies to improve their defense capabilities.[3] The goals of FMF are

• Promoting national security by contributing to regional and global stability
• Strengthening military support for democratically-elected governments and containing transnational threats, including terrorism and trafficking in narcotics, weapons, and persons
• Fostering closer military relationships between the U.S. and recipient nations

United States military aid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sunni Man]

Israel is a wealthy nation.

I see no reason that the American tax payer should be forced to monetarily subsidize it with money or weapons.

 

[Swagger]

Israel is indeed a wealthy nation, and thus has no viable excuse to be in receipt of these annual installments of U.S. aid - military, economic or otherwise. Besides, if Israel really does need external assistance, why not appeal to the millions of loyal Jews around the world for monetary assistance to go towards ensuring the future security and prosperity of the 'Promised Land'?

Seriously, these handouts to Israel are beyond a joke. It's comparable to Bill Gates claiming welfare.

 

[Wolverine1984]

Israel is a wealthy nation.

I see no reason that the American tax payer should be forced to monetarily subsidize it with money or weapons.

U.S.-Israeli Relations and the Role of Foreign Aid:
For decades, the United States and Israel have maintained strong bilateral relations based on a
number of factors, including strong domestic U.S. support for Israel; shared strategic goals in the
Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism); shared democratic values; and historic
ties dating from U.S. support for the creation of Israel in 1948. U.S. foreign aid has been a major
component in cementing and reinforcing these ties.
Administrations and many lawmakers
have long considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel
have reflected this sentiment.

The US sees Israel as a strategic asset and it is interested in Israels survival.

U.S. military aid has helped transform Israel’s armed forces into one of the most technologically
sophisticated militaries in the world. U.S. military aid for Israel has been designed to maintain
Israel’s “qualitative military edge” (QME) over neighboring militaries, since Israel must rely on
better equipment and training to compensate for a manpower deficit in any potential regional
conflict. U.S. military aid, a portion of which may be spent on procurement from Israeli defense
companies, also has helped Israel build a domestic defense industry, which ranks as one of the top
10 suppliers of arms worldwide.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

 

[Dot Com]

Israel is indeed a wealthy nation, and thus has no viable excuse to be in receipt of these annual installments of U.S. aid - military, economic or otherwise. Besides, if Israel really does need external assistance, why not appeal to the millions of loyal Jews around the world for monetary assistance to go towards ensuring the future security and prosperity of the 'Promised Land'?

Seriously, these handouts to Israel are beyond a joke. It's comparable to Bill Gates claiming welfare.

True. Has to do w/ lobbies (one in particular), oil in the region, & weapons systems.

 

[Jos]

Parasitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sunni Man]

The US sees Israel as a strategic asset and it is interested in Israels survival.

Which doesn't make a bit of sense.

Defending and siding with Israel does not make a bit of sense.

Israel only causes the U.S. problems with other nations.

And we get nothing back in return for our investment.

To call Israel a strategic asset is ludicrous and flies in the face of reality.

 

[Jroc]

Israel is indeed a wealthy nation, and thus has no viable excuse to be in receipt of these annual installments of U.S. aid - military, economic or otherwise. Besides, if Israel really does need external assistance, why not appeal to the millions of loyal Jews around the world for monetary assistance to go towards ensuring the future security and prosperity of the 'Promised Land'?

Seriously, these handouts to Israel are beyond a joke. It's comparable to Bill Gates claiming welfare.

Israel gets plenty of money and support from Jews around the world, as far as the aid goes Carter made the deal Israel gave up Sinai which does have oil I’d rather they had kept that land considering what is going ton in Egypt now and 74% of that money is spent here in the U.S

The remaining 74 percent of FMF was spent in the United States to generate profits and jobs. More than 1,000 companies in 47 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico have signed contracts worth billions of dollars through this program

.
U.S. Aid To Israel

 

[Swagger]

Israel is indeed a wealthy nation, and thus has no viable excuse to be in receipt of these annual installments of U.S. aid - military, economic or otherwise. Besides, if Israel really does need external assistance, why not appeal to the millions of loyal Jews around the world for monetary assistance to go towards ensuring the future security and prosperity of the 'Promised Land'?

Seriously, these handouts to Israel are beyond a joke. It's comparable to Bill Gates claiming welfare.

True. Has to do w/ lobbies (one in particular), oil in the region, & weapons systems.

It has everything to do with the Israel first lobbies. Oil can be extracted without Israeli assistance. If you scrutinise the party donor lists of both the Republican and Democrat parties, you'll nearly always find a donor that's linked to the Zionist web of influence (Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch etc). It's no secret that candidates identified by Zionists as having presidential potential will be offered funding in quiet exchange for looking upon Israel favourably and publically ensuring the flow of aid during the tenure as president. If they deviate from these confidential 'arrangements', they and their reputation will suffer in the pages of the New York Times et al. Support for Israel is further cemented by the Hollywood sympathy mill that churns out productions reminding the world how much the Jews suffered in Europe under the Third Reich. Any Americans that put their heads above the parapet and cause ripples of discontent against the Zionist agenda will be vilified and lose their job. Remember the school teacher Patricia McAllister who dared to say the obvious at the OWS rally? She was hounded out of her job and branded an anti-semite by the mainstream media; for telling the truth.

I genuinely don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist, but the uncomfortable relationship between the Zionists and Capitol Hill has gone way beyond a theory. It's a proven, yet often unspoken fact.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Now don't go to posting facts. You will soon be called an anti-semite, racist and maybe even Un-American

If the boot fits, wear it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israel has been invaded more times in 50 years than most countries in 500 years. Of course their security is paramount, and thus the development of nuclear weapons.
Iran has fomented terrorism for about 20 years, and its leadership is sworn to wipe Israel off the map.
The "facts" posted are the selective variety that the anti-Israel creatures love so much.

Well, um, yeah, you go in and steal someone's land and make them second class citizens in their own country, don't be surprised when they attack you.

Their own country?

 

[JoeB131]

You know, I'm always amazed how so-called "Conservatives" are made to dance to the tune of this liberal, socialist state that is subsidized by American Tax dollars.

"We need Israel so Jay-a-zus can come back like the bible says!"

If you are referring to the US foreign aid given to Israel you should note few facts:

In fiscal year 2009, the U.S. government allocated the following amounts for aid:
Total economic and military assistance: $47.7 billion
Israel is the recipient of $5.2 of that money.
That makes it about 10% of the total amount.
United States foreign aid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


American Tax dollars goes to many countries and yet it seems you are more upset about the 10% going to Israel then the 90% going to other places.

Except that it doesn't really stop there. If you go down the list, the next biggest recipiants are countries we are bribing to play nice with the Zionists. Not to mention the billions we spend on defense that are to keep peace in the region and occassionally knock of whoever has the Zionists wetting their beds that night.

I have no problem with foreign aid that helps starving people. I have a big problem when we are subsiziding someone's religious fantasy that the magic sky man gave them a strip of crappy desert.

 

[JoeB131]

Israel has been invaded more times in 50 years than most countries in 500 years. Of course their security is paramount, and thus the development of nuclear weapons.
Iran has fomented terrorism for about 20 years, and its leadership is sworn to wipe Israel off the map.
The "facts" posted are the selective variety that the anti-Israel creatures love so much.

Well, um, yeah, you go in and steal someone's land and make them second class citizens in their own country, don't be surprised when they attack you.

Their own country?

Uh, yeah. It was Arab land. Sorry, learn to deal.

 

[JoeB131]

Saying that does not make you Klingon. What makes you a Klingon is if you have genetic ties to the Klingon race who lived in Klingonlandia 2000 years ago.

Being German or American is not a race it's a nationality a Klingon living in America or Germany is still a Klingon.

I'll betcha the Palestinians are closer genetically to the folks who lived there 2000 years ago than the European Jews are... If we are giving away land based on genetics.

Oh, ignored your point about the Nazis because it was stupid. Frankly, I get a little tired of Zionists playing the Hitler Card whenever someone questions it. Last time I checked, Hitler died 67 years ago.

This fight over who the Magic Sky Pixie gave the land to is kind of silly.

If the fight was really about who's magic sky pixie gave the land to i would completely agree with you.
I never said , nor will I every say that Israels right to exist is based on some imaginary fried promising them the land.[/QUOTE]

Okay, if that's your argument,that's fine, but that's THEIR argument.

That and the whole world owes them for the Hitler thingee...

 

[Jroc]

Well, um, yeah, you go in and steal someone's land and make them second class citizens in their own country, don't be surprised when they attack you.

Their own country?

Uh, yeah. It was Arab land. Sorry, learn to deal.

What is and what was are two different things now aren't they?

 

[Jos]

Their own country?

Uh, yeah. It was Arab land. Sorry, learn to deal.

What is and what was are two different things now aren't they?

Add a "What will be" and you get Three, funny how that works

 

[JoeB131]

Their own country?

Uh, yeah. It was Arab land. Sorry, learn to deal.

What is and what was are two different things now aren't they?

So WHEN the Arabs take back the land, which they inevitably will, you won't be whining about it, then?

 

[Jroc]

Uh, yeah. It was Arab land. Sorry, learn to deal.

What is and what was are two different things now aren't they?

So WHEN the Arabs take back the land, which they inevitably will, you won't be whining about it, then?

Whining? Seems to me you people are the whiners

 

[JoeB131]

What is and what was are two different things now aren't they?

So WHEN the Arabs take back the land, which they inevitably will, you won't be whining about it, then?

Whining? Seems to me you people are the whiners

Only in so far as I don't like seeing my tax dollars go to subsidize religious fantasies...

I actualy feel bad for those folks. When the Arabs do eventually win, it ain't going to be pretty for them.