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When a nation like Israel has attacked all its neighbors occupies their land bombs all perceived enemies, did you expect flowers?
More than 50% of historical Jewish lands are in the hand of Arabs. The Arabs were here after the Jews were forced out. So who's occupying who?
Historical Jewish lands? Yea, the Jews were forced out by the Romans not by the Arabs...and then there is the matter of ownership...I inherited a deed for all of Palistinje from uncle Tony and insist you pay rent!
I feel the same way about people who think they're all that (and a bucket of chicken), don't provide any evidence to back up their claims, yet think the one who does, is the liar.I find it quite tiresome to converse with liars and/or idiots...
I'm a lot of things, it depends on the context and subject you're referring to.and being new to the board I'm not quite sure which you are, a liar or an idiot.
Until you start posting quotes, we can't really continue this discussion, now can we?The FACT, the REALITY, is that the wiped off the map claim has not only NOT been debunked, it's been repeated by numerous leaders in the muslim world just in the past week, up to an including in speeches at the UN gathering last week.
An occupational force, cannot claim self-defense.Now as for Israel starting the last 6 wars they've been involved in, let's just take the last major confict which some refer to as the "Gaza War" which is the month long battle between Hamas and Israel in the winter of 08/09. Now only a blazing idiot, or a muslim sympathizing liar, would consider Israel responding to hundreds of rocket attacks against their civilian population, by attacking those responsible for these attacks as "Israel starting a war". Like I said, and now I can confirm after reading two of your posts, you either have no concept of what "reality" is, or you look at the world with your head inserted so far in your rectum, it makes it hard for you to actually see reality as it exists. Like I said, don't know if you're just ignorant or if you're a liar, but either way, further discussion with you on this would prove to be a waste of my time, but I'm game.
Why is it you can not discuss a point, without trying to acertain the chauvinism of the "Chosen." Since all ME Arabs are genitcally very close to Jews, you must be the "Monkey's Brother?"More than 50% of historical Jewish lands are in the hand of Arabs. The Arabs were here after the Jews were forced out. So who's occupying who?
Historical Jewish lands? Yea, the Jews were forced out by the Romans not by the Arabs...and then there is the matter of ownership...I inherited a deed for all of Palistinje from uncle Tony and insist you pay rent!
Wether or wether not not you believe the Jews should be there, they are and will remain in Israel. The sooner you monkeys can accept that, the sooner there will be peace.
Maybe the Arabs should have just accepted the UN partition plan, because the Jews were more than happy than living beside Arabs. Not the other way around.
Are there Arabs living in Israel? Yes, many.
Are there Israelis living in other ME countries? No
Why is it you can not discuss a point, without trying to acertain the chauvinism of the "Chosen." Since all ME Arabs are genitcally very close to Jews, you must be the "Monkey's Brother?"Historical Jewish lands? Yea, the Jews were forced out by the Romans not by the Arabs...and then there is the matter of ownership...I inherited a deed for all of Palistinje from uncle Tony and insist you pay rent!
Wether or wether not not you believe the Jews should be there, they are and will remain in Israel. The sooner you monkeys can accept that, the sooner there will be peace.
Maybe the Arabs should have just accepted the UN partition plan, because the Jews were more than happy than living beside Arabs. Not the other way around.
Are there Arabs living in Israel? Yes, many.
Are there Israelis living in other ME countries? No
. It's because they are stupid monkeys they are able to 
This is dangerously fatwable offence to state so.Mohammed spread Islam by the sword which makes him an (eastern) imperialist.
Of course! "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie said so.That doesn't negate British imperialism in India or Palestine. Mandate Palestine in 1948 had twice as many Arabs as Jews living there.
By kicking arab arse, naturally, deservedly so.How did Jews manage to acquire a Jewish state without the assistance of western imperialism?
According the your mythology.Your fallacies are showing, Straw man.none---jews have no right to be alive as free people-----thus sayeth both muhummad and adolf abu ali hitler and georgie
in fact neither do hindus I learned that fact from a muslim doctor----from New Dehli, India ----about ---uhm 45 years ago
Jews have every right to live free.
They have no right to steal their neighbors' land and water today just as they had no right to impose a Jewish state by force of arms upon a majority of (Mandate) Palestinians in 1948.
Considering that there was no such thing as a Palistinian people, it would be hard to "steal their land" and considering the fact that the Jews have had a CONTINUOUS presense in the land since approx 1300bc, when they conquered the land NOT from Arabs, who came later, but from other indeginous peoples you'd be hard pressed to even say the land belongs to arabs. "Palistinians are Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, Saudis and various other Arab people who didn't become "Palistinians" until 1920.
Here's a bit of a history lesson the Land of Israel.
The descendants of Abraham crystallized into a nation at about 1300 BCE after their Exodus from Egypt under the leadership of Moses (Moshe in Hebrew). Soon after the Exodus, Moses transmitted to the people of this new emerging nation, the Torah, and the Ten Commandments (Exodus Chapter 20). After 40 years in the Sinai desert, Moses led them to the Land of Israel, that is cited in The Bible as the land promised by G-d to the descendants of the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Genesis 17:8).
The people of modern day Israel share the same language and culture shaped by the Jewish heritage and religion passed through generations starting with the founding father Abraham (ca. 1800 BCE). Thus, Jews have had continuous presence in the land of Israel for the past 3,300 years.
The rule of Israelites in the land of Israel starts with the conquests of Joshua (ca. 1250 BCE). The period from 1000-587 BCE is known as the "Period of the Kings". The most noteworthy kings were King David (1010-970 BCE), who made Jerusalem the Capital of Israel, and his son Solomon (Shlomo, 970-931 BCE), who built the first Temple in Jerusalem as prescribed in the Tanach (Old Testament).
In 587 BCE, Babylonian Nebuchadnezzar's army captured Jerusalem, destroyed the Temple, and exiled the Jews to Babylon (modern day Iraq).
The year 587 BCE marks a turning point in the history of the region. From this year onwards, the region was ruled or controlled by a succession of superpower empires of the time in the following order: Babylonian, Persian, Greek Hellenistic, Roman and Byzantine Empires, Islamic and Christian crusaders, Ottoman Empire, and the British Empire.
Judea was an autonomous state in the Persian Empire following the return from Babylonian exile thanks to Cyrus, King of Persia. Following the death of Alexander the Great who had captured the Persian Empire, it became part of two Hellenistic.
Following the Maccabean revolt, Judea became an independent state. Following the death of King Herod, the Romans seized it and it then became a Roman province. Judea was briefly independent during the first revolt against the Romans until it was finally destroyed when the Romans put down the revolt and destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in the year 70.
Judah lost its independence to Rome in the year 70 and became again a colony. In the year 135, the Romans gave the country the name "Palaestina". The name Palaestina, which became Palestine in English, is derived from Herodotus, who used the term Palaistine Syria to refer to the entire southern part of Syria, meaning "Philistine Syria." This was to add insult to injury against the Jewish people. The intent was to remove any memory of a Jewish presence. The name was kept by the next possessors, the Byzantine Empire, and then by the conquering Arabs and their successors, the conquering Turks. Note that we have a succession of different nationalities, none of whom thought of themselves as Palestinians. They were the Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, or Turks.
About 61 B.C., Roman troops under Pompei invaded Judea and sacked Jerusalem in support of King Herod. Judea had become a client state of Rome. During the seventh century (A.D. 600's), Muslim Arab armies moved north from Arabia to conquer most of the Middle East, including Palestine. The Seljuk Turks conquered Jerusalem in 1071, but their rule in Palestine lasted less than 30 years.
During the 7th century, Muslims invaded and the Crusaders from Europe ruled for a time until they were driven out. The Crusaders left Palestine for good when the Muslims captured Acre in 1291. During the post-crusade period, crusaders often raided the coast of Palestine. To deny the Crusaders gains from these raids, the Muslims pulled their people back from the coasts and destroyed coastal towns and farms. This depopulated and impoverished the coast of Palestine for hundreds of years.
In the mid-1200's, Mamelukes, originally soldier-slaves of the Arabs based in Egypt, established an empire that in time included the area of Palestine that lasted until the Ottoman Empire defeated the Mamelukes in 1517, and Palestine became part of the Ottoman Empire. The Turkish Sultan invited Jews fleeing the Spanish Catholic inquisition to settle in the Turkish empire, including several cities in Palestine. The Ottoman Empire ruled until the British took control of the area in 1917.
In 1922, the British declared that the boundary of Palestine would be limited to the area west of the river. The area east of the river, called Transjordan, which is now the country of Jordan, was made a separate British mandate and eventually given independence. The British maintained control until 1948.
There was always a Jewish population in the region, most of them resided in the religious communities in Jerusalem, Tz'fat, Tiberius, and Hebron. With Jewish immigration suddenly on the rise from the 1880's on, the economy of this very under populated and very poor country began to rise dramatically, attracting a parallel stream of Arabs from the surrounding countries who came in looking for jobs. At the same time, Arab/Muslim nationalism and extremism began to rise, spurred by the influx of what they considered "Infidel Jews" and the breakup of the Turkish Empire followed by the occupation by European countries of much of the Middle East.
From this time through the War of Independence in 1947-49, there were local Arab leaders who called for an independent Palestine (Arab state) in the entire country with not a single inch for a Jewish state. During the 1948 Israeli War of Independence, the local Arab armies and leaders identified with Syria, Jordan, and Egypt and thought of themselves as such. At the end of the war, the Arab allotted land was divided between Israel, Egypt (Gaza), and Jordan. The Egyptians refused to let the Gazans become independent or Egyptian citizens. Eventually, the Jordanians did allow some refugees become citizens, but not all. The Arab states are content to let their brother Arabs remain in those refugee camps that are really crowded and squalid towns and live like that since the UN supported them. Because of this, they make a great political tool used to invoke sympathy, especially in regard to the European countries. That is crass, unfeeling politics, but these same people do not hesitate to strap bombs to their young men and women.
Tha Arabs are the interlopers here, not the Jews.
"Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem, certainly had no illusions about what a 'Jewish homeland' in Palestine meant for the British Empire: 'It will form for England,' he said, 'a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism.'This is dangerously fatwable offence to state so.Mohammed spread Islam by the sword which makes him an (eastern) imperialist.Of course! "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie said so.That doesn't negate British imperialism in India or Palestine. Mandate Palestine in 1948 had twice as many Arabs as Jews living there.By kicking arab arse, naturally, deservedly so.How did Jews manage to acquire a Jewish state without the assistance of western imperialism?
While George is worried about a tiny, tiny piece of land, he completely overlooks the countries which were made up of the original Christians before Mohammed and his gang left the Saudi Peninsula and invaded these countries, forcing people to convert and killing many who refused. Now the descendants of those who were lucky enough to survive the Muslim onslaught can't even practice their beliefs in peace. Can these Christians have their countries back, Georgie?According the your mythology.Your fallacies are showing, Straw man.
Jews have every right to live free.
They have no right to steal their neighbors' land and water today just as they had no right to impose a Jewish state by force of arms upon a majority of (Mandate) Palestinians in 1948.
Considering that there was no such thing as a Palistinian people, it would be hard to "steal their land" and considering the fact that the Jews have had a CONTINUOUS presense in the land since approx 1300bc, when they conquered the land NOT from Arabs, who came later, but from other indeginous peoples you'd be hard pressed to even say the land belongs to arabs. "Palistinians are Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, Saudis and various other Arab people who didn't become "Palistinians" until 1920.
Here's a bit of a history lesson the Land of Israel.
The descendants of Abraham crystallized into a nation at about 1300 BCE after their Exodus from Egypt under the leadership of Moses (Moshe in Hebrew). Soon after the Exodus, Moses transmitted to the people of this new emerging nation, the Torah, and the Ten Commandments (Exodus Chapter 20). After 40 years in the Sinai desert, Moses led them to the Land of Israel, that is cited in The Bible as the land promised by G-d to the descendants of the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Genesis 17:8).
The people of modern day Israel share the same language and culture shaped by the Jewish heritage and religion passed through generations starting with the founding father Abraham (ca. 1800 BCE). Thus, Jews have had continuous presence in the land of Israel for the past 3,300 years.
The rule of Israelites in the land of Israel starts with the conquests of Joshua (ca. 1250 BCE). The period from 1000-587 BCE is known as the "Period of the Kings". The most noteworthy kings were King David (1010-970 BCE), who made Jerusalem the Capital of Israel, and his son Solomon (Shlomo, 970-931 BCE), who built the first Temple in Jerusalem as prescribed in the Tanach (Old Testament).
In 587 BCE, Babylonian Nebuchadnezzar's army captured Jerusalem, destroyed the Temple, and exiled the Jews to Babylon (modern day Iraq).
The year 587 BCE marks a turning point in the history of the region. From this year onwards, the region was ruled or controlled by a succession of superpower empires of the time in the following order: Babylonian, Persian, Greek Hellenistic, Roman and Byzantine Empires, Islamic and Christian crusaders, Ottoman Empire, and the British Empire.
Judea was an autonomous state in the Persian Empire following the return from Babylonian exile thanks to Cyrus, King of Persia. Following the death of Alexander the Great who had captured the Persian Empire, it became part of two Hellenistic.
Following the Maccabean revolt, Judea became an independent state. Following the death of King Herod, the Romans seized it and it then became a Roman province. Judea was briefly independent during the first revolt against the Romans until it was finally destroyed when the Romans put down the revolt and destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in the year 70.
Judah lost its independence to Rome in the year 70 and became again a colony. In the year 135, the Romans gave the country the name "Palaestina". The name Palaestina, which became Palestine in English, is derived from Herodotus, who used the term Palaistine Syria to refer to the entire southern part of Syria, meaning "Philistine Syria." This was to add insult to injury against the Jewish people. The intent was to remove any memory of a Jewish presence. The name was kept by the next possessors, the Byzantine Empire, and then by the conquering Arabs and their successors, the conquering Turks. Note that we have a succession of different nationalities, none of whom thought of themselves as Palestinians. They were the Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, or Turks.
About 61 B.C., Roman troops under Pompei invaded Judea and sacked Jerusalem in support of King Herod. Judea had become a client state of Rome. During the seventh century (A.D. 600's), Muslim Arab armies moved north from Arabia to conquer most of the Middle East, including Palestine. The Seljuk Turks conquered Jerusalem in 1071, but their rule in Palestine lasted less than 30 years.
During the 7th century, Muslims invaded and the Crusaders from Europe ruled for a time until they were driven out. The Crusaders left Palestine for good when the Muslims captured Acre in 1291. During the post-crusade period, crusaders often raided the coast of Palestine. To deny the Crusaders gains from these raids, the Muslims pulled their people back from the coasts and destroyed coastal towns and farms. This depopulated and impoverished the coast of Palestine for hundreds of years.
In the mid-1200's, Mamelukes, originally soldier-slaves of the Arabs based in Egypt, established an empire that in time included the area of Palestine that lasted until the Ottoman Empire defeated the Mamelukes in 1517, and Palestine became part of the Ottoman Empire. The Turkish Sultan invited Jews fleeing the Spanish Catholic inquisition to settle in the Turkish empire, including several cities in Palestine. The Ottoman Empire ruled until the British took control of the area in 1917.
In 1922, the British declared that the boundary of Palestine would be limited to the area west of the river. The area east of the river, called Transjordan, which is now the country of Jordan, was made a separate British mandate and eventually given independence. The British maintained control until 1948.
There was always a Jewish population in the region, most of them resided in the religious communities in Jerusalem, Tz'fat, Tiberius, and Hebron. With Jewish immigration suddenly on the rise from the 1880's on, the economy of this very under populated and very poor country began to rise dramatically, attracting a parallel stream of Arabs from the surrounding countries who came in looking for jobs. At the same time, Arab/Muslim nationalism and extremism began to rise, spurred by the influx of what they considered "Infidel Jews" and the breakup of the Turkish Empire followed by the occupation by European countries of much of the Middle East.
From this time through the War of Independence in 1947-49, there were local Arab leaders who called for an independent Palestine (Arab state) in the entire country with not a single inch for a Jewish state. During the 1948 Israeli War of Independence, the local Arab armies and leaders identified with Syria, Jordan, and Egypt and thought of themselves as such. At the end of the war, the Arab allotted land was divided between Israel, Egypt (Gaza), and Jordan. The Egyptians refused to let the Gazans become independent or Egyptian citizens. Eventually, the Jordanians did allow some refugees become citizens, but not all. The Arab states are content to let their brother Arabs remain in those refugee camps that are really crowded and squalid towns and live like that since the UN supported them. Because of this, they make a great political tool used to invoke sympathy, especially in regard to the European countries. That is crass, unfeeling politics, but these same people do not hesitate to strap bombs to their young men and women.
Tha Arabs are the interlopers here, not the Jews.
Here's the Arab version:
"Palestinians have continuously resided in Palestine since four thousand years before Christ...
"Their ancestors built the cities of Jerusalem, Nablus, Jericho, Beisan, Acca and Jaffa. The Hebrews arrived in the land between 1400-1200 B.C., and only maintained control over it during the lifetimes of King David and his son King Solomon a period of about 80 years.
"The land then came under Greek and Roman rule, and was then conquered by Islam in the year 637 A.D. under the second Caliph, Omar. By that time, the Jews had already left Jerusalem, and Christianity was the dominant religion.
"The Caliph granted full security to all Christians, including personal safety, and protection of property, religion and churches. The Muslims declared Jerusalem the capital of Palestine, and the city remained under Islamic rule until the end of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, except for a brief time of Christian rule under the Crusaders.
"In this century, the eastern Mediterranean became subject to British and French occupation as a result of the First World War, and Palestine came under British military occupation. The British encouraged the Arabs to gain their independence from the Ottoman Empire and promised them support if they stood on the side of the allies during the First World War.
"However the British reneged on the promise, and British Foreign Minister Arthur James Balfour promised the International Zionists a homeland for the Jews in Palestine. At the time, the population of Palestine was comprised of 95% Arabs (both Christians and Muslims), 4% Palestinian Jews, and 1% expatriates. The Jews owned only 2% of the land.
"Israel occupied the Palestinian lands in 1948 when it announced its independence. It captured the rest of Palestine in 1967.
"Since then, the Palestinians have lived under Israeli occupation... their struggle to liberate themselves was ignored during the Cold War and the competition between the East and the West to gain more influence in the Middle East as a strategic region. Israel has gained strong support in the West as a result of this competition.
"In the meantime, the Palestinians have been unable to persuade the superpowers to enforce United Nations Resolution 242 and 338 calling for Israeli withdrawal from occupied Arab land."
US Involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Solution or Complication? by Lt. Col. Mohammed F. Abo-Sak
While George is worried about a tiny, tiny piece of land, he completely overlooks the countries which were made up of the original Christians before Mohammed and his gang left the Saudi Peninsula and invaded these countries, forcing people to convert and killing many who refused. Now the descendants of those who were lucky enough to survive the Muslim onslaught can't even practice their beliefs in peace. Can these Christians have their countries back, Georgie?According the your mythology.Considering that there was no such thing as a Palistinian people, it would be hard to "steal their land" and considering the fact that the Jews have had a CONTINUOUS presense in the land since approx 1300bc, when they conquered the land NOT from Arabs, who came later, but from other indeginous peoples you'd be hard pressed to even say the land belongs to arabs. "Palistinians are Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, Saudis and various other Arab people who didn't become "Palistinians" until 1920.
Here's a bit of a history lesson the Land of Israel.
The descendants of Abraham crystallized into a nation at about 1300 BCE after their Exodus from Egypt under the leadership of Moses (Moshe in Hebrew). Soon after the Exodus, Moses transmitted to the people of this new emerging nation, the Torah, and the Ten Commandments (Exodus Chapter 20). After 40 years in the Sinai desert, Moses led them to the Land of Israel, that is cited in The Bible as the land promised by G-d to the descendants of the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Genesis 17:8).
The people of modern day Israel share the same language and culture shaped by the Jewish heritage and religion passed through generations starting with the founding father Abraham (ca. 1800 BCE). Thus, Jews have had continuous presence in the land of Israel for the past 3,300 years.
The rule of Israelites in the land of Israel starts with the conquests of Joshua (ca. 1250 BCE). The period from 1000-587 BCE is known as the "Period of the Kings". The most noteworthy kings were King David (1010-970 BCE), who made Jerusalem the Capital of Israel, and his son Solomon (Shlomo, 970-931 BCE), who built the first Temple in Jerusalem as prescribed in the Tanach (Old Testament).
In 587 BCE, Babylonian Nebuchadnezzar's army captured Jerusalem, destroyed the Temple, and exiled the Jews to Babylon (modern day Iraq).
The year 587 BCE marks a turning point in the history of the region. From this year onwards, the region was ruled or controlled by a succession of superpower empires of the time in the following order: Babylonian, Persian, Greek Hellenistic, Roman and Byzantine Empires, Islamic and Christian crusaders, Ottoman Empire, and the British Empire.
Judea was an autonomous state in the Persian Empire following the return from Babylonian exile thanks to Cyrus, King of Persia. Following the death of Alexander the Great who had captured the Persian Empire, it became part of two Hellenistic.
Following the Maccabean revolt, Judea became an independent state. Following the death of King Herod, the Romans seized it and it then became a Roman province. Judea was briefly independent during the first revolt against the Romans until it was finally destroyed when the Romans put down the revolt and destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in the year 70.
Judah lost its independence to Rome in the year 70 and became again a colony. In the year 135, the Romans gave the country the name "Palaestina". The name Palaestina, which became Palestine in English, is derived from Herodotus, who used the term Palaistine Syria to refer to the entire southern part of Syria, meaning "Philistine Syria." This was to add insult to injury against the Jewish people. The intent was to remove any memory of a Jewish presence. The name was kept by the next possessors, the Byzantine Empire, and then by the conquering Arabs and their successors, the conquering Turks. Note that we have a succession of different nationalities, none of whom thought of themselves as Palestinians. They were the Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, or Turks.
About 61 B.C., Roman troops under Pompei invaded Judea and sacked Jerusalem in support of King Herod. Judea had become a client state of Rome. During the seventh century (A.D. 600's), Muslim Arab armies moved north from Arabia to conquer most of the Middle East, including Palestine. The Seljuk Turks conquered Jerusalem in 1071, but their rule in Palestine lasted less than 30 years.
During the 7th century, Muslims invaded and the Crusaders from Europe ruled for a time until they were driven out. The Crusaders left Palestine for good when the Muslims captured Acre in 1291. During the post-crusade period, crusaders often raided the coast of Palestine. To deny the Crusaders gains from these raids, the Muslims pulled their people back from the coasts and destroyed coastal towns and farms. This depopulated and impoverished the coast of Palestine for hundreds of years.
In the mid-1200's, Mamelukes, originally soldier-slaves of the Arabs based in Egypt, established an empire that in time included the area of Palestine that lasted until the Ottoman Empire defeated the Mamelukes in 1517, and Palestine became part of the Ottoman Empire. The Turkish Sultan invited Jews fleeing the Spanish Catholic inquisition to settle in the Turkish empire, including several cities in Palestine. The Ottoman Empire ruled until the British took control of the area in 1917.
In 1922, the British declared that the boundary of Palestine would be limited to the area west of the river. The area east of the river, called Transjordan, which is now the country of Jordan, was made a separate British mandate and eventually given independence. The British maintained control until 1948.
There was always a Jewish population in the region, most of them resided in the religious communities in Jerusalem, Tz'fat, Tiberius, and Hebron. With Jewish immigration suddenly on the rise from the 1880's on, the economy of this very under populated and very poor country began to rise dramatically, attracting a parallel stream of Arabs from the surrounding countries who came in looking for jobs. At the same time, Arab/Muslim nationalism and extremism began to rise, spurred by the influx of what they considered "Infidel Jews" and the breakup of the Turkish Empire followed by the occupation by European countries of much of the Middle East.
From this time through the War of Independence in 1947-49, there were local Arab leaders who called for an independent Palestine (Arab state) in the entire country with not a single inch for a Jewish state. During the 1948 Israeli War of Independence, the local Arab armies and leaders identified with Syria, Jordan, and Egypt and thought of themselves as such. At the end of the war, the Arab allotted land was divided between Israel, Egypt (Gaza), and Jordan. The Egyptians refused to let the Gazans become independent or Egyptian citizens. Eventually, the Jordanians did allow some refugees become citizens, but not all. The Arab states are content to let their brother Arabs remain in those refugee camps that are really crowded and squalid towns and live like that since the UN supported them. Because of this, they make a great political tool used to invoke sympathy, especially in regard to the European countries. That is crass, unfeeling politics, but these same people do not hesitate to strap bombs to their young men and women.
Tha Arabs are the interlopers here, not the Jews.
Here's the Arab version:
"Palestinians have continuously resided in Palestine since four thousand years before Christ...
"Their ancestors built the cities of Jerusalem, Nablus, Jericho, Beisan, Acca and Jaffa. The Hebrews arrived in the land between 1400-1200 B.C., and only maintained control over it during the lifetimes of King David and his son King Solomon a period of about 80 years.
"The land then came under Greek and Roman rule, and was then conquered by Islam in the year 637 A.D. under the second Caliph, Omar. By that time, the Jews had already left Jerusalem, and Christianity was the dominant religion.
"The Caliph granted full security to all Christians, including personal safety, and protection of property, religion and churches. The Muslims declared Jerusalem the capital of Palestine, and the city remained under Islamic rule until the end of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, except for a brief time of Christian rule under the Crusaders.
"In this century, the eastern Mediterranean became subject to British and French occupation as a result of the First World War, and Palestine came under British military occupation. The British encouraged the Arabs to gain their independence from the Ottoman Empire and promised them support if they stood on the side of the allies during the First World War.
"However the British reneged on the promise, and British Foreign Minister Arthur James Balfour promised the International Zionists a homeland for the Jews in Palestine. At the time, the population of Palestine was comprised of 95% Arabs (both Christians and Muslims), 4% Palestinian Jews, and 1% expatriates. The Jews owned only 2% of the land.
"Israel occupied the Palestinian lands in 1948 when it announced its independence. It captured the rest of Palestine in 1967.
"Since then, the Palestinians have lived under Israeli occupation... their struggle to liberate themselves was ignored during the Cold War and the competition between the East and the West to gain more influence in the Middle East as a strategic region. Israel has gained strong support in the West as a result of this competition.
"In the meantime, the Palestinians have been unable to persuade the superpowers to enforce United Nations Resolution 242 and 338 calling for Israeli withdrawal from occupied Arab land."
US Involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Solution or Complication? by Lt. Col. Mohammed F. Abo-Sak
To make a contention less phony we should provide information as to who was that shakh, emir, sultan, imam, ayatullah, president, prime-minister of that "palestine" to cry occupation, shouldn't we?An occupational force, cannot claim self-defense. And the rocket attacks, are in response to the 45 year illegal occupation of Palestinian land.
No, they are par for the course when dealing with a violent people who think murder, rape, terrorism and barbarity are legitimate tools to be used against people you hate.I feel the same way about people who think they're all that (and a bucket of chicken), don't provide any evidence to back up their claims, yet think the one who does, is the liar. Seeing that is's not my job nor my calling to educate the ingorant I saw no need to do so in this instance. Even with that in mind I did so anyway and provided proof in the next post.I find it quite tiresome to converse with liars and/or idiots...
I'm a lot of things, it depends on the context and subject you're referring to. The context is this post, and the subject is whether you're ignorant or lying.and being new to the board I'm not quite sure which you are, a liar or an idiot.
Until you start posting quotes, we can't really continue this discussion, now can we? So you wish me to tutor you in current events is that it? Well I am more than willing to but of course we'll have to work out how you'll be paying me for my time. Barring that, I will give you some free advice. Get off the board, quit using your computer to spew nonsense and try actually usuing it t educate yourself. You have the world at your finger tips you know. The computer is not just for spewing nonsense and looking at porn. Try googling the words, muslim leaders call for destruction of Israel, or words to that effect, you can then educate yourself for free, rather than pay me to educate you.The FACT, the REALITY, is that the wiped off the map claim has not only NOT been debunked, it's been repeated by numerous leaders in the muslim world just in the past week, up to an including in speeches at the UN gathering last week.
An occupational force, cannot claim self-defense. A people living in the land that has been there's for thousands of years, and who have had a continuous presence in that land cannot be called an occupational force. Hmm, maybe the problem lies with your vocabulary skills. I'll throw this lesson in for free. Occupation- the control of a country by a foreign military power. Occupational forces- the forces used to occupy said foreign nation.Now as for Israel starting the last 6 wars they've been involved in, let's just take the last major confict which some refer to as the "Gaza War" which is the month long battle between Hamas and Israel in the winter of 08/09. Now only a blazing idiot, or a muslim sympathizing liar, would consider Israel responding to hundreds of rocket attacks against their civilian population, by attacking those responsible for these attacks as "Israel starting a war". Like I said, and now I can confirm after reading two of your posts, you either have no concept of what "reality" is, or you look at the world with your head inserted so far in your rectum, it makes it hard for you to actually see reality as it exists. Like I said, don't know if you're just ignorant or if you're a liar, but either way, further discussion with you on this would prove to be a waste of my time, but I'm game.
And the rocket attacks, are in response to the 45 year illegal occupation of Palestinian land.
I feel the same way about people who think they're all that (and a bucket of chicken), don't provide any evidence to back up their claims, yet think the one who does, is the liar.I find it quite tiresome to converse with liars and/or idiots...
I'm a lot of things, it depends on the context and subject you're referring to.and being new to the board I'm not quite sure which you are, a liar or an idiot.
Until you start posting quotes, we can't really continue this discussion, now can we?The FACT, the REALITY, is that the wiped off the map claim has not only NOT been debunked, it's been repeated by numerous leaders in the muslim world just in the past week, up to an including in speeches at the UN gathering last week.
An occupational force, cannot claim self-defense.Now as for Israel starting the last 6 wars they've been involved in, let's just take the last major confict which some refer to as the "Gaza War" which is the month long battle between Hamas and Israel in the winter of 08/09. Now only a blazing idiot, or a muslim sympathizing liar, would consider Israel responding to hundreds of rocket attacks against their civilian population, by attacking those responsible for these attacks as "Israel starting a war". Like I said, and now I can confirm after reading two of your posts, you either have no concept of what "reality" is, or you look at the world with your head inserted so far in your rectum, it makes it hard for you to actually see reality as it exists. Like I said, don't know if you're just ignorant or if you're a liar, but either way, further discussion with you on this would prove to be a waste of my time, but I'm game.
And the rocket attacks, are in response to the 45 year illegal occupation of Palestinian land.
While George is worried about a tiny, tiny piece of land, he completely overlooks the countries which were made up of the original Christians before Mohammed and his gang left the Saudi Peninsula and invaded these countries, forcing people to convert and killing many who refused. Now the descendants of those who were lucky enough to survive the Muslim onslaught can't even practice their beliefs in peace. Can these Christians have their countries back, Georgie?According the your mythology.
Here's the Arab version:
"Palestinians have continuously resided in Palestine since four thousand years before Christ...
"Their ancestors built the cities of Jerusalem, Nablus, Jericho, Beisan, Acca and Jaffa. The Hebrews arrived in the land between 1400-1200 B.C., and only maintained control over it during the lifetimes of King David and his son King Solomon a period of about 80 years.
"The land then came under Greek and Roman rule, and was then conquered by Islam in the year 637 A.D. under the second Caliph, Omar. By that time, the Jews had already left Jerusalem, and Christianity was the dominant religion.
"The Caliph granted full security to all Christians, including personal safety, and protection of property, religion and churches. The Muslims declared Jerusalem the capital of Palestine, and the city remained under Islamic rule until the end of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, except for a brief time of Christian rule under the Crusaders.
"In this century, the eastern Mediterranean became subject to British and French occupation as a result of the First World War, and Palestine came under British military occupation. The British encouraged the Arabs to gain their independence from the Ottoman Empire and promised them support if they stood on the side of the allies during the First World War.
"However the British reneged on the promise, and British Foreign Minister Arthur James Balfour promised the International Zionists a homeland for the Jews in Palestine. At the time, the population of Palestine was comprised of 95% Arabs (both Christians and Muslims), 4% Palestinian Jews, and 1% expatriates. The Jews owned only 2% of the land.
"Israel occupied the Palestinian lands in 1948 when it announced its independence. It captured the rest of Palestine in 1967.
"Since then, the Palestinians have lived under Israeli occupation... their struggle to liberate themselves was ignored during the Cold War and the competition between the East and the West to gain more influence in the Middle East as a strategic region. Israel has gained strong support in the West as a result of this competition.
"In the meantime, the Palestinians have been unable to persuade the superpowers to enforce United Nations Resolution 242 and 338 calling for Israeli withdrawal from occupied Arab land."
US Involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Solution or Complication? by Lt. Col. Mohammed F. Abo-Sak
Deflection.
MJB calls it "Palestinian Mentality."Why do so many people enjoy being ignorant? Not only that, but how so many feel the need to not only take pride in that ignorance but feel the need to show as many people as possible exactly how ignorant they truly are?
Of mythology? hehHere's the Arab version:
Foreign Policy In Focus, a project of the Institute for Policy Studies. Such credibility, indeed."Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem, certainly had no illusions about what a 'Jewish homeland' in Palestine meant for the British Empire: 'It will form for England,' he said, 'a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism.' Do you think Winnie knew Sir Ronald? Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules | FPIFThis is dangerously fatwable offence to state so.Of course! "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie said so.Mohammed spread Islam by the sword which makes him an (eastern) imperialist.By kicking arab arse, naturally, deservedly so.How did Jews manage to acquire a Jewish state without the assistance of western imperialism?
Of course as one of the True Believers Tinny doesn't want it ever brought up how his brethren invaded the lands of the Christians. It's a shame that Tinny doesn't do some research regarding the History of Jihad to see how the land of others was taken over by the Muslims. So while he obsesses over one tiny piece of land, others can see the big picture of what happened in the Middle East which involved huge chunks of land.While George is worried about a tiny, tiny piece of land, he completely overlooks the countries which were made up of the original Christians before Mohammed and his gang left the Saudi Peninsula and invaded these countries, forcing people to convert and killing many who refused. Now the descendants of those who were lucky enough to survive the Muslim onslaught can't even practice their beliefs in peace. Can these Christians have their countries back, Georgie?According the your mythology.
Here's the Arab version:
"Palestinians have continuously resided in Palestine since four thousand years before Christ...
"Their ancestors built the cities of Jerusalem, Nablus, Jericho, Beisan, Acca and Jaffa. The Hebrews arrived in the land between 1400-1200 B.C., and only maintained control over it during the lifetimes of King David and his son King Solomon a period of about 80 years.
"The land then came under Greek and Roman rule, and was then conquered by Islam in the year 637 A.D. under the second Caliph, Omar. By that time, the Jews had already left Jerusalem, and Christianity was the dominant religion.
"The Caliph granted full security to all Christians, including personal safety, and protection of property, religion and churches. The Muslims declared Jerusalem the capital of Palestine, and the city remained under Islamic rule until the end of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, except for a brief time of Christian rule under the Crusaders.
"In this century, the eastern Mediterranean became subject to British and French occupation as a result of the First World War, and Palestine came under British military occupation. The British encouraged the Arabs to gain their independence from the Ottoman Empire and promised them support if they stood on the side of the allies during the First World War.
"However the British reneged on the promise, and British Foreign Minister Arthur James Balfour promised the International Zionists a homeland for the Jews in Palestine. At the time, the population of Palestine was comprised of 95% Arabs (both Christians and Muslims), 4% Palestinian Jews, and 1% expatriates. The Jews owned only 2% of the land.
"Israel occupied the Palestinian lands in 1948 when it announced its independence. It captured the rest of Palestine in 1967.
"Since then, the Palestinians have lived under Israeli occupation... their struggle to liberate themselves was ignored during the Cold War and the competition between the East and the West to gain more influence in the Middle East as a strategic region. Israel has gained strong support in the West as a result of this competition.
"In the meantime, the Palestinians have been unable to persuade the superpowers to enforce United Nations Resolution 242 and 338 calling for Israeli withdrawal from occupied Arab land."
US Involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Solution or Complication? by Lt. Col. Mohammed F. Abo-Sak
Deflection.
I feel the same way about people who think they're all that (and a bucket of chicken), don't provide any evidence to back up their claims, yet think the one who does, is the liar.I find it quite tiresome to converse with liars and/or idiots...
I'm a lot of things, it depends on the context and subject you're referring to.
Until you start posting quotes, we can't really continue this discussion, now can we?
An occupational force, cannot claim self-defense.
And the rocket attacks, are in response to the 45 year illegal occupation of Palestinian land.
While George is worried about a tiny, tiny piece of land, he completely overlooks the countries which were made up of the original Christians before Mohammed and his gang left the Saudi Peninsula and invaded these countries, forcing people to convert and killing many who refused. Now the descendants of those who were lucky enough to survive the Muslim onslaught can't even practice their beliefs in peace. Can these Christians have their countries back, Georgie?
Deflection.
Well I find your pov on the subject rather entertaining considering the fact that no one ever heard of the word Palistine nor any people called Palistinians prior to the Roman Emperor hadrian renaming Israel "Syria Palaestina in approx 135AD. Even going back into antiquity is was known as the land of the Philistines, NOT palistinians and the Philistines weren't even Arabs. Therefore there was no such animal as a palistinian 4,000 years ago sorry to disapppoint you. I will tell you the same thing I told loinboy, you have the world at your fingertips, educate yourself. You only have yourself to blame if you believe propoganda, lies, myths and revisionist history when you have everything you need at your fingertips to learn the truth for yourself.
I feel the same way about people who think they're all that (and a bucket of chicken), don't provide any evidence to back up their claims, yet think the one who does, is the liar.
I'm a lot of things, it depends on the context and subject you're referring to.
Until you start posting quotes, we can't really continue this discussion, now can we?
An occupational force, cannot claim self-defense.
And the rocket attacks, are in response to the 45 year illegal occupation of Palestinian land.
Deflection.
Well I find your pov on the subject rather entertaining considering the fact that no one ever heard of the word Palistine nor any people called Palistinians prior to the Roman Emperor hadrian renaming Israel "Syria Palaestina in approx 135AD. Even going back into antiquity is was known as the land of the Philistines, NOT palistinians and the Philistines weren't even Arabs. Therefore there was no such animal as a palistinian 4,000 years ago sorry to
disapppoint you. I will tell you the same thing I told loinboy, you have the world at your fingertips, educate yourself. You only have yourself to blame if you believe propoganda, lies, myths and revisionist history when you have everything you need at your fingertips to learn the truth for yourself.
Gheesh, another Israel name game salesman.
