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What's nonsense about it? Israel started the last 6 wars they've been in. The "wiping off the map" claim has been debunked as not true. And Israel is the biggest military power in the region, with no other country having the capability to take them out, even if they wanted to.Lol. Evidently you cannot recognize reality when you see it. When you purge your mind of the this nonsense, or you decide to take your head out of your rear end, get back to me.
What's nonsense about it? Israel started the last 6 wars they've been in. The "wiping off the map" claim has been debunked as not true. And Israel is the biggest military power in the region, with no other country having the capability to take them out, even if they wanted to.Lol. Evidently you cannot recognize reality when you see it. When you purge your mind of the this nonsense, or you decide to take your head out of your rear end, get back to me.
So where's the non-sense?
Your fallacies are showing, Straw man.none---jews have no right to be alive as free people-----thus sayeth both muhummad and adolf abu ali hitler and georgie
in fact neither do hindus I learned that fact from a muslim doctor----from New Dehli, India ----about ---uhm 45 years ago
Mohammed spread Islam by the sword which makes him an (eastern) imperialist.Evidently Georgie had no problem with the Muslim Turks being the ones ruling the Palestine Mandate since they were Muslims. Because the British were the non believers, Georgie has a problem with that. Perhaps Georgie can tell us by what moral right do the Muslims have to Pakistan. After all that land belonged to the Hindus whose ancestors lived there for thousands of years. And we can also go back years and years when so many of the Middle East countries were actually the lands of the original Christians, and then Mohammed and his gang left the Saudi Peninsula and invaded these lands. Now the descemdemts of the Christians who survived Mohammed's onslaught can't even practice their beliefs in peace. However, Georgie has no problem with this. Maybe Mohammed and his gang were some of the old-time Imperialists. What do you think, Georgie?Where did the Hashemite rulers get their land?
From the same imperialists who were seeking a little, loyal Jewish Ulster in Palestine, maybe?
Jews were one-third of the population of Mandate Palestine in 1948, that much is undeniable.
By what moral Algebra were they entitled to a Jewish State?
Most sure jews appreciate such generosity.Jews have every right to live free.
How so, if major arab immigrants from the hood haven't had any land in the first place? And the minority who had had been characterized by the late king Abdullah in his memorable words "It is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping." And then arabs desided to redistribute among themselves what jews had, got a boot stuck in their asses. Kewl, no? Hence the state, of course.They have no right to steal their neighbors' land and water today just as they had no right to impose a Jewish state by force of arms upon a majority of (Mandate) Palestinians in 1948.
Your fallacies are showing, Straw man.none---jews have no right to be alive as free people-----thus sayeth both muhummad and adolf abu ali hitler and georgie
in fact neither do hindus I learned that fact from a muslim doctor----from New Dehli, India ----about ---uhm 45 years ago
Jews have every right to live free.
They have no right to steal their neighbors' land and water today just as they had no right to impose a Jewish state by force of arms upon a majority of (Mandate) Palestinians in 1948.
What's nonsense about it? Israel started the last 6 wars they've been in. The "wiping off the map" claim has been debunked as not true. And Israel is the biggest military power in the region, with no other country having the capability to take them out, even if they wanted to.Lol. Evidently you cannot recognize reality when you see it. When you purge your mind of the this nonsense, or you decide to take your head out of your rear end, get back to me.
So where's the non-sense?
When your nation is surrounded by rabid enemies, that over and over have not only said their ultimate goal is to destroy your nation and murder every Jewish man, woman and child in the region, then goes about trying to do just that, you have no choice but to teach your children to defend themeselves from their murderous, barbaric neighbors.
What's nonsense about it? Israel started the last 6 wars they've been in. The "wiping off the map" claim has been debunked as not true. And Israel is the biggest military power in the region, with no other country having the capability to take them out, even if they wanted to.Lol. Evidently you cannot recognize reality when you see it. When you purge your mind of the this nonsense, or you decide to take your head out of your rear end, get back to me.
So where's the non-sense?
When your nation is surrounded by rabid enemies, that over and over have not only said their ultimate goal is to destroy your nation and murder every Jewish man, woman and child in the region, then goes about trying to do just that, you have no choice but to teach your children to defend themeselves from their murderous, barbaric neighbors.
When your nation is surrounded by rabid enemies, that over and over have not only said their ultimate goal is to destroy your nation and murder every Jewish man, woman and child in the region, then goes about trying to do just that, you have no choice but to teach your children to defend themeselves from their murderous, barbaric neighbors.
Your fallacies are showing, Straw man.none---jews have no right to be alive as free people-----thus sayeth both muhummad and adolf abu ali hitler and georgie
in fact neither do hindus I learned that fact from a muslim doctor----from New Dehli, India ----about ---uhm 45 years ago
Jews have every right to live free.
They have no right to steal their neighbors' land and water today just as they had no right to impose a Jewish state by force of arms upon a majority of (Mandate) Palestinians in 1948.
Considering that there was no such thing as a Palistinian people, it would be hard to "steal their land" and considering the fact that the Jews have had a CONTINUOUS presense in the land since approx 1300bc, when they conquered the land NOT from Arabs, who came later, but from other indeginous peoples you'd be hard pressed to even say the land belongs to arabs. "Palistinians are Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, Saudis and various other Arab people who didn't become "Palistinians" until 1920.
Here's a bit of a history lesson the Land of Israel.
The descendants of Abraham crystallized into a nation at about 1300 BCE after their Exodus from Egypt under the leadership of Moses (Moshe in Hebrew). Soon after the Exodus, Moses transmitted to the people of this new emerging nation, the Torah, and the Ten Commandments (Exodus Chapter 20). After 40 years in the Sinai desert, Moses led them to the Land of Israel, that is cited in The Bible as the land promised by G-d to the descendants of the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Genesis 17:8).
The people of modern day Israel share the same language and culture shaped by the Jewish heritage and religion passed through generations starting with the founding father Abraham (ca. 1800 BCE). Thus, Jews have had continuous presence in the land of Israel for the past 3,300 years.
The rule of Israelites in the land of Israel starts with the conquests of Joshua (ca. 1250 BCE). The period from 1000-587 BCE is known as the "Period of the Kings". The most noteworthy kings were King David (1010-970 BCE), who made Jerusalem the Capital of Israel, and his son Solomon (Shlomo, 970-931 BCE), who built the first Temple in Jerusalem as prescribed in the Tanach (Old Testament).
In 587 BCE, Babylonian Nebuchadnezzar's army captured Jerusalem, destroyed the Temple, and exiled the Jews to Babylon (modern day Iraq).
The year 587 BCE marks a turning point in the history of the region. From this year onwards, the region was ruled or controlled by a succession of superpower empires of the time in the following order: Babylonian, Persian, Greek Hellenistic, Roman and Byzantine Empires, Islamic and Christian crusaders, Ottoman Empire, and the British Empire.
Judea was an autonomous state in the Persian Empire following the return from Babylonian exile thanks to Cyrus, King of Persia. Following the death of Alexander the Great who had captured the Persian Empire, it became part of two Hellenistic.
Following the Maccabean revolt, Judea became an independent state. Following the death of King Herod, the Romans seized it and it then became a Roman province. Judea was briefly independent during the first revolt against the Romans until it was finally destroyed when the Romans put down the revolt and destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in the year 70.
Judah lost its independence to Rome in the year 70 and became again a colony. In the year 135, the Romans gave the country the name "Palaestina". The name Palaestina, which became Palestine in English, is derived from Herodotus, who used the term Palaistine Syria to refer to the entire southern part of Syria, meaning "Philistine Syria." This was to add insult to injury against the Jewish people. The intent was to remove any memory of a Jewish presence. The name was kept by the next possessors, the Byzantine Empire, and then by the conquering Arabs and their successors, the conquering Turks. Note that we have a succession of different nationalities, none of whom thought of themselves as Palestinians. They were the Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, or Turks.
About 61 B.C., Roman troops under Pompei invaded Judea and sacked Jerusalem in support of King Herod. Judea had become a client state of Rome. During the seventh century (A.D. 600's), Muslim Arab armies moved north from Arabia to conquer most of the Middle East, including Palestine. The Seljuk Turks conquered Jerusalem in 1071, but their rule in Palestine lasted less than 30 years.
During the 7th century, Muslims invaded and the Crusaders from Europe ruled for a time until they were driven out. The Crusaders left Palestine for good when the Muslims captured Acre in 1291. During the post-crusade period, crusaders often raided the coast of Palestine. To deny the Crusaders gains from these raids, the Muslims pulled their people back from the coasts and destroyed coastal towns and farms. This depopulated and impoverished the coast of Palestine for hundreds of years.
In the mid-1200's, Mamelukes, originally soldier-slaves of the Arabs based in Egypt, established an empire that in time included the area of Palestine that lasted until the Ottoman Empire defeated the Mamelukes in 1517, and Palestine became part of the Ottoman Empire. The Turkish Sultan invited Jews fleeing the Spanish Catholic inquisition to settle in the Turkish empire, including several cities in Palestine. The Ottoman Empire ruled until the British took control of the area in 1917.
In 1922, the British declared that the boundary of Palestine would be limited to the area west of the river. The area east of the river, called Transjordan, which is now the country of Jordan, was made a separate British mandate and eventually given independence. The British maintained control until 1948.
There was always a Jewish population in the region, most of them resided in the religious communities in Jerusalem, Tz'fat, Tiberius, and Hebron. With Jewish immigration suddenly on the rise from the 1880's on, the economy of this very under populated and very poor country began to rise dramatically, attracting a parallel stream of Arabs from the surrounding countries who came in looking for jobs. At the same time, Arab/Muslim nationalism and extremism began to rise, spurred by the influx of what they considered "Infidel Jews" and the breakup of the Turkish Empire followed by the occupation by European countries of much of the Middle East.
From this time through the War of Independence in 1947-49, there were local Arab leaders who called for an independent Palestine (Arab state) in the entire country with not a single inch for a Jewish state. During the 1948 Israeli War of Independence, the local Arab armies and leaders identified with Syria, Jordan, and Egypt and thought of themselves as such. At the end of the war, the Arab allotted land was divided between Israel, Egypt (Gaza), and Jordan. The Egyptians refused to let the Gazans become independent or Egyptian citizens. Eventually, the Jordanians did allow some refugees become citizens, but not all. The Arab states are content to let their brother Arabs remain in those refugee camps that are really crowded and squalid towns and live like that since the UN supported them. Because of this, they make a great political tool used to invoke sympathy, especially in regard to the European countries. That is crass, unfeeling politics, but these same people do not hesitate to strap bombs to their young men and women.
Tha Arabs are the interlopers here, not the Jews.
When your nation is surrounded by rabid enemies, that over and over have not only said their ultimate goal is to destroy your nation and murder every Jewish man, woman and child in the region, then goes about trying to do just that, you have no choice but to teach your children to defend themeselves from their murderous, barbaric neighbors.
When a nation like Israel has attacked all its neighbors occupies their land bombs all perceived enemies, did you expect flowers?
When a nation like Israel has attacked all its neighbors occupies their land bombs all perceived enemies, did you expect flowers?
More than 50% of historical Jewish lands are in the hand of Arabs. The Arabs were here after the Jews were forced out. So who's occupying who?
When a nation like Israel has attacked all its neighbors occupies their land bombs all perceived enemies, did you expect flowers?
More than 50% of historical Jewish lands are in the hand of Arabs. The Arabs were here after the Jews were forced out. So who's occupying who?
Ahhhahha so what the whole middle east is Jewish now? Doesn't matter what land was historically Jewish either. It's not anymore
More than 50% of historical Jewish lands are in the hand of Arabs. The Arabs were here after the Jews were forced out. So who's occupying who?
Ahhhahha so what the whole middle east is Jewish now? Doesn't matter what land was historically Jewish either. It's not anymore
hostorical Jewish lands are Eretz Israel Hashlema. google it.
And read again. We know Eretz Israel Hashlema is no more. But the matter was that Jews are no strangers in the land. And one cannot occupy their homeland.
Don't forget the all important Turnspeak!When your nation is surrounded by rabid enemies, that over and over have not only said their ultimate goal is to destroy your nation and murder every Jewish man, woman and child in the region, then goes about trying to do just that, you have no choice but to teach your children to defend themeselves from their murderous, barbaric neighbors.
in fact---despite the fact that the stated goal of muslims-----as a demonstration of their piety in their religion-----is to kill all jews-----in fact Israeli children are not taught martial arts nor are they inculcated with the concept that "KILLING ARABS" is a good idea Islamo nazis claim they are. Much of that claim is a matter of the well known ego defense known as PROJECTION islamo nazis like sherri "project" ie. ----ASCRIBE to jews----their own aggressive impulses. Muslims, like all people get their culture from their parents----but they are also BOMBARDED with the "KILL THE ENEMY" culture in their schools and mosques ----a culture can be defined by its HEROES Muslim children are taught to adulate the "hero" who slits the most throats. Little muslim girls are URGED to admire women who put bombs on their asses in the same way little american girls admire "movie stars"
When a nation like Israel has attacked all its neighbors occupies their land bombs all perceived enemies, did you expect flowers?
More than 50% of historical Jewish lands are in the hand of Arabs. The Arabs were here after the Jews were forced out. So who's occupying who?
Three things guide the childlike mindlessness of a True Believer.What's nonsense about it? Israel started the last 6 wars they've been in. The "wiping off the map" claim has been debunked as not true. And Israel is the biggest military power in the region, with no other country having the capability to take them out, even if they wanted to.Lol. Evidently you cannot recognize reality when you see it. When you purge your mind of the this nonsense, or you decide to take your head out of your rear end, get back to me.
So where's the non-sense?
I find it quite tiresome to converse with liars and/or idiots and being new to the board I'm not quite sure which you are, a liar or an idiot. The FACT, the REALITY, is that the wiped off the map claim has not only NOT been debunked, it's been repeated by numerous leaders in the muslim world just in the past week, up to an including in speeches at the UN gathering last week. Now as for Israel starting the last 6 wars they've been involved in, let's just take the last major confict which some refer to as the "Gaza War" which is the month long battle between Hamas and Israel in the winter of 08/09. Now only a blazing idiot, or a muslim sympathizing liar, would consider Israel responding to hundreds of rocket attacks against their civilian population, by attacking those responsible for these attacks as "Israel starting a war". Like I said, and now I can confirm after reading two of your posts, you either have no concept of what "reality" is, or you look at the world with your head inserted so far in your rectum, it makes it hard for you to actually see reality as it exists. Like I said, don't know if you're just ignorant or if you're a liar, but either way, further discussion with you on this would prove to be a waste of my time, but I'm game.
