Israel’s Big Lie of “Self-Defence”

[Oldestyle]

An occupier does not have the right to use arms in “self-defence”.​

There are four reasons why Israel cannot cite a legal right to self-defence in response to Palestinian violence.

First and foremost is that the ability of a very strong military power to achieve anything defensive by the attrition of a much weaker military power is spurious and leads into the genocidal logic of attempting to deprive a people of all capacity for violence.

The second reason is that Israel is actively contravening UN Security Council resolutions and the UN Charter is very clear on the fact that the right to self-defence exists “until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.” A state that works to thwart UNSC measures to maintain peace and security cannot logically be extended the unimpaired right to self defence.

On the third count Israel is an occupying power and the occupied have a legal right to armed resistance. It would be nonsensical to accord a legal right to use arms to defend against another’s legal resistance.

Fourthly, it would be equally paradoxical to allow each party to act in self-defence against each other’s acts of self defence. Thus one of the parties must be the aggressor. On several counts, not least its defiance of UNSC resolutions, Israel must be considered the aggressor.
Israel’s only legitimate way of defending itself begins with ending its occupation. Israelis have a right to life and they deserve peace and security as we all do, but they have no right to kill Palestinians and claim that they are pursuing those things.

Let's make no mistake, Israel is the aggressor! And it is committing genocide. According to Arnon Soffer...

“When 2.5 million people live in a closed-off Gaza, it’s going to be a human catastrophe. Those people will become even bigger animals than they are today … The pressure at the border will be awful. It’s going to be a terrible war. So, if we want to remain alive, we will have to kill and kill and kill. All day, every day..."

These words are shockingly Himmleresque in labelling a people animals; in stating that mass killing is neither choice nor desire, but necessity...

All the Israeli supporters at this website echo this theme that it is "necessary" to inflict all this damage on the Palestinian's. This is Germany in the 30's all over again!

You're such a douchebag! Excusing what Hamas has done? Fuck you and the horse you rode in on!

 

[Shusha]

I have made the argument. UN resolution 242. That is the legal position on these territories.

Great! How soon can we give the Palestinians back to Jordan and Egypt? Do they have anything booked for tomorrow?

Israel is keeping Jerusalem though. Cost of picking a fight.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Great! How soon can we give the Palestinians back to Jordan and Egypt? Do they have anything booked for tomorrow?

Israel is keeping Jerusalem though. Cost of picking a fight.

Give the Palestinians back, not the land.

 

[surada]

Of course the Jewish people are indigenous to Israel, Judea, and Samaria. That is where their culture, religion, language, and way of living originated. If you dig in the land, you find Jewish history, Hebrew culture.

Nope. Natufians, Akkadians and Cannanites were all there before the Jews.

Remember. Jerusalem was a Jebusite city.

 

[surada]

Great! How soon can we give the Palestinians back to Jordan and Egypt? Do they have anything booked for tomorrow?

Israel is keeping Jerusalem though. Cost of picking a fight.

They're just ungrateful thieves and snakes. Nobody would accept the Jewish refugees after WW2 except Palestine.

 

[hadit]

As long as you maintain the illegal and immoral blockade of Gaza, there is nothing to expect but war. Palestinians do have every legal right in the world to resist the occupation of their homeland. Israel, as the occupying power, not only does not have the right to self defense, they are obligated under IHL, to ensure the safety of non-combatant's. Israel is committing war crimes.

Except that Israel didn't "occupy" anything. They blocked off Gaza because that's where all the attacks were coming from. They have an obligation to protect their civilians.

 

[MarcATL]

An occupier does not have the right to use arms in “self-defence”.​

There are four reasons why Israel cannot cite a legal right to self-defence in response to Palestinian violence.

First and foremost is that the ability of a very strong military power to achieve anything defensive by the attrition of a much weaker military power is spurious and leads into the genocidal logic of attempting to deprive a people of all capacity for violence.

The second reason is that Israel is actively contravening UN Security Council resolutions and the UN Charter is very clear on the fact that the right to self-defence exists “until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.” A state that works to thwart UNSC measures to maintain peace and security cannot logically be extended the unimpaired right to self defence.

On the third count Israel is an occupying power and the occupied have a legal right to armed resistance. It would be nonsensical to accord a legal right to use arms to defend against another’s legal resistance.

Fourthly, it would be equally paradoxical to allow each party to act in self-defence against each other’s acts of self defence. Thus one of the parties must be the aggressor. On several counts, not least its defiance of UNSC resolutions, Israel must be considered the aggressor.
Israel’s only legitimate way of defending itself begins with ending its occupation. Israelis have a right to life and they deserve peace and security as we all do, but they have no right to kill Palestinians and claim that they are pursuing those things.

Let's make no mistake, Israel is the aggressor! And it is committing genocide. According to Arnon Soffer...

“When 2.5 million people live in a closed-off Gaza, it’s going to be a human catastrophe. Those people will become even bigger animals than they are today … The pressure at the border will be awful. It’s going to be a terrible war. So, if we want to remain alive, we will have to kill and kill and kill. All day, every day..."

These words are shockingly Himmleresque in labelling a people animals; in stating that mass killing is neither choice nor desire, but necessity...

All the Israeli supporters at this website echo this theme that it is "necessary" to inflict all this damage on the Palestinian's. This is Germany in the 30's all over again!

Facts!

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel offered land for peace several times.

You can't offer, what you don't have!

Israel does not own the OPT and will never own the OPT. Israel's only legal action is to leave the OPT.

 

[Billo_Really]

Arabs didn't occupy Palestine; they've been living there for at least 2 millennia. You fuckers are the 2nd biggest liars on the planet.

 

[Billo_Really]

You're such a douchebag! Excusing what Hamas has done? Fuck you and the horse you rode in on!

I didn't excuse Hamas. I don't see you commenting on Israel atrocities? So fuck you back!

 

[Billo_Really]

Great! How soon can we give the Palestinians back to Jordan and Egypt? Do they have anything booked for tomorrow?

Israel is keeping Jerusalem though. Cost of picking a fight.

They're not leaving. You are.

 

[Billo_Really]

Except that Israel didn't "occupy" anything. They blocked off Gaza because that's where all the attacks were coming from. They have an obligation to protect their civilians.

That's right. Israel, as the occupying power, has an obligation to protect Gazan non-combatants and maintain basic services to the area.

Okay, since you want to talk like you are still in middle school...pencils down and eyes to the front of the class!

THE CONCEPT OF INDIRECT EFFECTIVE CONTROL
"...a State would be an occupying power for the purposes of IHL when it enforced overall control over defacto local authorities or other organized groups that have effective control over a territory or part thereof."

Que pasa, mutha?

 

[Billo_Really]

Facts!

I'm a little confused. Are you saying these are facts, or are you asking me to provide facts? Or more facts?

 

[eagle1462010]

That's right. Israel, as the occupying power, has an obligation to protect Gazan non-combatants and maintain basic services to the area.

Okay, since you want to talk like you are still in middle school...pencils down and eyes to the front of the class!

THE CONCEPT OF INDIRECT EFFECTIVE CONTROL
"...a State would be an occupying power for the purposes of IHL when it enforced overall control over defacto local authorities or other organized groups that have effective control over a territory or part thereof."

Que pasa, mutha?

They are at War. Your Rule book doesnt apply. Those tunnels need to be gone along with Hamas.

A lot of people will die in this process. Israel has the right to stop constant attacks by these mfrs

 

[USAF 2023]

Arabs didn't occupy Palestine; they've been living there for at least 2 millennia. You fuckers are the 2nd biggest liars on the planet.

So have the Jews you Illiterate Moron

 

[MarcATL]

I'm a little confused. Are you saying these are facts, or are you asking me to provide facts? Or more facts?

I'm in full agreement Billo.

 

[USAF 2023]

They are at War. Your Rule book doesnt apply. Those tunnels need to be gone along with Hamas.

A lot of people will die in this process. Israel has the right to stop constant attacks by these mfrs

The Moron doesn’t understand it

 

[HeyNorm]

I didn't excuse Hamas. I don't see you commenting on Israel atrocities? So fuck you back!

The atrocities that are the direct result of the evil actions of Hamas?

I think we all want Hamas brought to justice for them.

 

[USAF 2023]

Great! How soon can we give the Palestinians back to Jordan and Egypt? Do they have anything booked for tomorrow?

Israel is keeping Jerusalem though. Cost of picking a fight.

You ask why Israel should give up E Jerusalem which means no access to their Holy Sites and there will be NO response yet they talk about “ equality? “. LOL !

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They're just ungrateful thieves and snakes. Nobody would accept the Jewish refugees after WW2 except Palestine.

Yeah, the muzzie whiners were asking for refugees. DURR