Israel's War Against Hamas - Updates

[Sixties Fan]

The following was actually posted on October 7 as Hamas was committing its barbaric massacre on Israeli civilian communities in the south of Israel:

The image shows terrorists in military uniform displaying either the green headbands of Hamas’ military wing, the Izz A-Din Al-Qassam Brigades, or yellow headbands of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, the military wing of PA Chairman Abbas’ Fatah party. Together, these terror groups share the back of a pickup truck and a common objective:

Posted text: “On the ground we stand as one, each one is defending from their stronghold, and there is no difference between two people who are defending the same homeland. May the men’s forearms be blessed, and may the result be blessed
#The [Fatah] Shabiba_Student_Movement #An-Najah_National_University”

[Fatah Shabiba Student Movement at An-Najah National University,
Twitter account, Oct. 7, 2023]​

A quote from the Quran on the image is rich in analogy to the current situation:

Text on image: “Two God-fearing men—who had been blessed by Allah—said, ‘Surprise them through the gate. If you do, you will certainly prevail. Put your trust in Allah if you are truly believers’ [Quran 5:23, Sahih International translation].”

"Two God-fearing men" refers to the fighters of Hamas and of Fatah, who are "blessed by Allah" as they "surprise them through the gate," which is how Hamas violated Israel's sovereign territory, when it breached Israel's security fence to attack the country.


The image below shows a statement by the Fatah Shabiba Student Movement at An-Najah National University. It is a declaration of support for Gaza and the Palestinian workers from Gaza who are now stuck in Israel, unable to cross back into Gaza. Additionally, the text calls on Palestinians to disseminate pro-Palestinian information in various languages. Most notably, the text exhorts Palestinian residents of the West Bank to "avenge the blood of our heroic Martyrs" by attacks at "points of friction" – in other words, to carry out terror attacks.

Posted text: “#The_[Fatah_]Shabiba_Student_Movement
#An-Najah_National_University”

Text: “‘Fight in the cause of Allah only against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits. Allah does not like transgressors’ [Quran 2:190, Sahih International translation]…
We in the [Fatah] Shabiba Student Movement at An-Najah National University call on you for general preparedness in all cities of the West Bank, to go to the points of friction with the occupation, to avenge the blood of our heroic Martyrs, and to support the resistance in the proud Gaza Strip (refers to Hamas’ terror war on Israel; see note below -Ed.).”

[Fatah Shabiba Student Movement at An-Najah National University,
Twitter account, Oct. 12, 2023]​

The two images above carry the logo of the Fatah Shabiba Student Movement at An-Najah National University, which consists of a coat of arms featuring on its left a raised fist in the shape of the PA map of “Palestine” that calls all of Israel together with the PA areas as “Palestine” and an image of the Dome of the Rock and the keffiyeh (Arab headdress) pattern. The posts from the Fatah Shabiba Student Movement at An-Najah National University which follow below in addition to displaying the movement's logo,bear the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades logo of crossed rifles and a grenade above the Dome of the Rock, with Palestinian flags below it.

Text at the top of the logo: "So fight them and Allah will punish them at your hands, put them to shame, help you overcome them, and soothe the hearts of the believers" [Quran 9:14, Sahih International translation].

(full article online)

Tomorrow's Fatah leaders: Students glorify Hamas' terror massacre on Israel | PMW Analysis

Students glorify Hamas' terror massacre on Israel

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[ This is whey people in Gaza are not against Hamas]

Supporting Hamas’ Atrocities: Dunia Abu Rahma’s October 7 Tweets​

Throughout Hamas’ October 7 slaughter, Dunia Abu Rahma both tweeted and reposted several tweets supporting the massacres.

Soon after the Hamas assault began in the early morning, Abu Rahma tweeted“Good morning. I wanted them to loot and liberate the country in my graduation year.”

A couple of hours later, she posted two tweets in succession. One read: “He really freed the prisoners!” This is presumably a reference to the hordes of Hamas terrorists and local Gazans who were rampaging through Israeli communities at the time.

The second post was a quote tweet of a video of a brutal lynching of an Israeli soldier on the streets of Gaza with the caption: “On my own, I go down and beat him with them.”

Later, she tweeted happily about the border with Israel being overrun, saying in one tweet that she was planning on transferring from her university in Gaza to Bir Zeit (a university in the West Bank) and tweeting later that “In this case, we will pray at Al-Aqsa [in Jerusalem] next Friday.”

On October 7, Dunia Abu Rahma also reposted several tweets by other accounts celebrating the carnage.

One read: “It looks like a blessed Saturday, people of Palestine, good morning” while another mentioned that “One’s heart flutters with joy with every missile that comes out.”

She also reposted an image allegedly of Hamas taking IDF captives captioned“Blessed October” as well as an image of a bloodied Israeli female teenager being manhandled by terrorists with a caption justifying the vicious treatment of Israeli women by Hamas.



(full article online)

CNN & NBC Give Airtime to Woman Who Celebrated Hamas Massacre & Wished Hitler Had Finished the Job | Honest Reporting

As the world’s attention continues to be focused on the war between Israel and Hamas, mainstream media have relied on people on the ground in both Israel

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[Sixties Fan]

Just over a week after Hamas terrorists rampaged through Israeli border communities, raping and slaughtering civilians while kidnapping others to take hostage back in Gaza, Vox produced a video that asks, “Where was the Israeli army on October 7?”

But if viewers thought they were going to watch a good-faith examination into how more than a thousand murderous terrorists managed to breach Israel’s border on the day of the massacre, they would be sorely disappointed.

For, Vox’s eight-minute film is nothing more than an exercise in how to justify Hamas terrorism and flip the narrative to hold victims responsible.




The video starts with the briefest explanation about Hamas’ onslaught — 25 seconds to be precise — that manages to leave out some key details, including how many unarmed men, women and children Palestinian terrorists killed and the number of innocent civilians that were dragged back to the Gaza.

Vox moves swiftly on to repeat the tired claim that Gaza is an “open-air prison,” forgetting in the process that not only does Egypt also control the movement of Gazans via its own blockade, but that the events of October 7 are precisely why Israel does not have a porous border with the enclave.

And then it becomes clear: Vox doesn’t really want to find out how Hamas’ invasion was thwarted by the IDF, but rather wants to criticize Israel for having the gall to spend money on military technology that it uses to both defend its citizens and stymie the Islamist terrorism that emanates from nearly all its borders.


(full article online)

Vox Blames Israel for Hamas Massacre in Sickening Masterclass in Victim-Blaming | Honest Reporting

Just over a week after Hamas terrorists rampaged through Israeli border communities, raping and slaughtering civilians while kidnapping others to take

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Israel at War: The Media Battlefield – Briefing #2 | Honest Reporting

HonestReporting has been working around the clock to identify and respond to the worst media bias since the appalling events of October 7 and the

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[Sixties Fan]

Yazmeen Deyhimi, who the organization Stop Antisemitism identified as one of two New York University students caught on video tearing down flyers depicting the faces of people Hamas kidnapped to the Gaza Strip, began volunteering for the Anti-Defamation League when she was just a freshman in high school. While still a young teen, she “took part in the ADL Peer Training Program,” according to a short biography of Deyhimi included in the ADL of New York and New Jersey’s announcement of its 2019 high school summer intern class. “She quickly joined the No Place for Hate Committee and has been committed to help facilitate events such as Unity and Equality Days,” the blurb continued.

The then-high school junior was a Girl Scout, as well as a tennis instructor for the underprivileged. “She is,” we learn, “extremely passionate about fighting racial profiling and championing gender equality.”

The ADL could not have been expected to know that a bright and socially conscious high school student from the extremist hotbed of Port Washington, New York, would proudly announce a sociopathic lack of sympathy for Jews in terrorist captivity four years later. At the same time, Deyhimi’s story is a look into how little sticking power the ADL’s brand of consensus-seeking, center-left politics might have in the long run, even with people who volunteered with the group through most of high school. “We fully condemn her actions and hope that the apology she issued is the first step towards working to repair the harm and deep hurt her actions caused,” an ADL spokesman told Tablet by email when asked about Deyhimi.

“As a matter of policy, ADL does not comment on personnel matters,” the ADL spokesman wrote. “However, we will say that ADL and our staff are steadfast in our support of Israel, that our body of work speaks for itself, and that we are grateful for the tireless efforts of the entire ADL team in the wake of the largest mass murder of the Jewish people since the Holocaust.”

Deyhimi’s apology, which came after she was widely identified by name on social media, opened with the acknowledgement that “My actions that were caught on camera are a poor representation of what I believe: all innocent lives—Israeli and Palestinian—should be spared and all terrorist organizations should be condemned and punished.” The sentiment is blameless, of course. Who could argue otherwise?

In her apology, the NYU junior proved herself to be a fluent writer of officialese, proof her education at a hyperselective American college did not go to waste. What do young high-achievers learn at expensive universities these days—aside from, perhaps, the necessity of supporting terror attacks against Israeli families, children, and old people, of course—if not the language of virtuous self-presentation, a survival skill in a world in which one might flip from being a victim to victimizer in a hot minute? Handling these kinds of passages is a delicate art, worthy of the courtiers of Versailles.

As the NYU junior continued, “I have found it increasingly difficult to take my place as a biracial brown woman, especially during these highly volatile times. I find myself more and more frustrated about the time we currently find ourselves in.”

The honesty is laudable, and it is hard not to identify with it, whatever your beliefs about the war: Everyone is at least a little frustrated right now. People want to repair a horrific breach in reality, wherever they are and however they can, even if their real motive isn’t to improve much of anything in the external world but to quiet their own inner turmoil. All the better if one’s emotional pain-relief racks up the maximum number of points on the great peer group-social, media-victimhood scoreboard.

While tearing down flyers of kidnapped Jews isn’t most people’s idea of helping the situation, or seems a strange way of assuaging an individual sense of helplessness, the thought process Deyhimi describes in her apology is chillingly legible, common to people of good and ill intent on both sides of this awful conflict. We all want to do something, don’t we? But do what? Hard to say, now that “reality” is an increasingly vague chaos in which our own ever-multiplying “identities” can seem like the last pillars of certainty.

Deyhimi’s trajectory tracks with that of a generation of rising elites for whom staid, establishment institutions have served as a pipeline to a much edgier, more militant set of values, which themselves are admission tickets to prestige institutions. Thirty student groups at Harvard, including, initially, the university’s Amnesty International chapter, signed on to a statement endorsing Hamas’ slaughter of 1,400 Israelis—many of them believing, no doubt, that a public display of fealty to a terror group wouldn’t hurt them in the elite job market.

After all, no one suffered for endorsing demonstrations by BLM members at which multiple police officers were murdered; or by embracing the violent riots that followed the death of George Floyd; or the nightly firebombing of a Portland courthouse by antifa members; or antifa violence more generally. Fanonist principles are regularly endorsed in dozens of classes, along with attacks on the “colonial mindset” and “white supremacy.” How could a young up-and-comer at a place like NYU or Harvard go wrong by endorsing the anti-colonial struggle of Palestinian freedom fighters?

Why a Nice Girl Vandalizes Israeli Hostage Rescue Posters

Yazmeen Deyhimi’s journey from a young ADL 'No Place for Hate' intern to Hamas campaigner to apologizing on social media is a study in the profound political confusion of the campus woke

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[Sixties Fan]

The occupation and abuse comes from their Arab leaders.

Enough of these worthless people like Hamas, Abbas, PLO, Fatah.

Normal Arabs want normal lives in peace with the State of Israel.

Right Coyote, you disagree but cannot provide evidence to the contrary. No one on the boards can.

The abuse does not come from Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the PA, PLO, Fatah, which day in, day out, incites their population against Israel and to kill Jews.

It is not about returning the land of Israel back into Muslim hands, because it was conquered by Muslims .


How amazing that Al Husseini and all others never went after TranJordan which is part of the Jewish Homeland and was to be part of the Jewish Nation via the Mandate for Palestine. Which the British dishonored by giving all of 78% to a totally foreign clan who had just arrived in TranJordan.

Oh, yes, the Hashemites are Muslims. So, since 1922, that was ok. As it was ok for the Jews in TranJordan to be attacked and expelled from there.

What is your source? It does not exist.

 

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[Coyote]

The occupation and abuse comes from their Arab leaders.

Enough of these worthless people like Hamas, Abbas, PLO, Fatah.

Normal Arabs want normal lives in peace with the State of Israel.

Gaza has effectively been under seige for 16 yrs. It is a defacto open air prison. Regardless of how you feel about them, Israel has systematically practiced collective punishment on the Palestinians since occupation. This has strengthened terrorist groups like Hamas and allowed to exploit the anger, hopelessness and hatred to further what to THEM is a holy war.


Hamas hasn't allowed new elections and did not have huge support among Palestinians. Unfortunately that could change given Israel's actions now in Gaza and Hamas' use of the Palestinian people.

You talk about "normal Arabs" and peace, but how can you have real peace under ?56? years of occupation? And now, blatent provocation and sanctioned violence against them from the current far right government and the religious nationalist extremists in power.

This is something that can't be fixed by armed conflict alone, not without taking a step back
and examining the policies that have led to this.

It is not one sided, yet many (both pro-Palestian and pro-Israel) are attempting to make it so.

Worse, we can see cracks and fissures opening in our country and revealing the most vile parts of us. Jewish communities in fear, disinformation rampant, opemly antisemitic and anti-Palestinian rhetoric, targeted violence against Jews and Muslims ( a 6 ry old child stabbed 26 times!). And it isn't just our country. We are seeing anti-semitic and anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim hate groups emboldened and even supported around the world.

I stopped watching the conflict in Ukraine, after village after village of dead people. Same with Hamas' slaughter leaving billage after village of dead people. And I won't watch Gaza. It is the same thing. In the end, it is civilians who bear the brunt of nationalist aspirations, religious and political extremists.

Worldwide, we are in very dangerous place . And for many, it is existential. Will Hamas be the tipping point? It did not take much to set off WW1.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Gaza has effectively been under seige for 16 yrs. It is a defacto open air prison. Regardless of how you feel about them, Israel has systematically practiced collective punishment on the Palestinians since occupation. This has strengthened terrorist groups like Hamas and allowed to exploit the anger, hopelessness and hatred to further what to THEM is a holy war.


Hamas hasn't allowed new elections and did not have huge support among Palestinians. Unfortunately that could change given Israel's actions now in Gaza and Hamas' use of the Palestinian people.

You talk about "normal Arabs" and peace, but how can you have real peace under ?56? years of occupation? And now, blatent provocation and sanctioned violence against them from the current far right government and the religious nationalist extremists in power.

This is something that can't be fixed by armed conflict alone, not without taking a step back
and examining the policies that have led to this.

It is not one sided, yet many (both pro-Palestian and pro-Israel) are attempting to make it so.

Worse, we can see cracks and fissures opening in our country and revealing the most vile parts of us. Jewish communities in fear, disinformation rampant, opemly antisemitic and anti-Palestinian rhetoric, targeted violence against Jews and Muslims ( a 6 ry old child stabbed 26 times!). And it isn't just our country. We are seeing anti-semitic and anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim hate groups emboldened and even supported around the world.

I stopped watching the conflict in Ukraine, after village after village of dead people. Same with Hamas' slaughter leaving billage after village of dead people. And I won't watch Gaza. It is the same thing. In the end, it is civilians who bear the brunt of nationalist aspirations, religious and political extremists.

Worldwide, we are in very dangerous place . And for many, it is existential. Will Hamas be the tipping point? It did not take much to set off WW1.

Under "siege" because Hamas chose to lob rockets against Israel instead of turning it in a sort of Monaco, Beirut, etc.

And sieged by Egypt as well, since the terrorists are also a threat to that country.

56 years of occupation?

You mean Egypt was not occupying Gaza for 19 years and Jordan was not occupying Judea and Samaria for 19 years?

No complaints from any Arab or Muslim leader or country during that time. Only when they lost the war and land changed hands. No talk about a Palestinian state during those years, but the PLO being founded and talk of how to get the rest of the land back into Muslim lands.

When one gets a Million Syrian refugees into Europe and other countries all at once, the result is going to be more antisemitism, as it ended up happening. All one has to do is look at the news for the past 5 or so years since the million Muslims were allowed to leave the ME.

There we go with the WW talk again.

Enough.

 

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Gaza has effectively been under seige for 16 yrs. It is a defacto open air prison. Regardless of how you feel about them, Israel has systematically practiced collective punishment on the Palestinians since occupation. This has strengthened terrorist groups like Hamas and allowed to exploit the anger, hopelessness and hatred to further what to THEM is a holy war.


Hamas hasn't allowed new elections and did not have huge support among Palestinians. Unfortunately that could change given Israel's actions now in Gaza and Hamas' use of the Palestinian people.

You talk about "normal Arabs" and peace, but how can you have real peace under ?56? years of occupation? And now, blatent provocation and sanctioned violence against them from the current far right government and the religious nationalist extremists in power.

This is something that can't be fixed by armed conflict alone, not without taking a step back
and examining the policies that have led to this.

It is not one sided, yet many (both pro-Palestian and pro-Israel) are attempting to make it so.

Worse, we can see cracks and fissures opening in our country and revealing the most vile parts of us. Jewish communities in fear, disinformation rampant, opemly antisemitic and anti-Palestinian rhetoric, targeted violence against Jews and Muslims ( a 6 ry old child stabbed 26 times!). And it isn't just our country. We are seeing anti-semitic and anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim hate groups emboldened and even supported around the world.

I stopped watching the conflict in Ukraine, after village after village of dead people. Same with Hamas' slaughter leaving billage after village of dead people. And I won't watch Gaza. It is the same thing. In the end, it is civilians who bear the brunt of nationalist aspirations, religious and political extremists.

Worldwide, we are in very dangerous place . And for many, it is existential. Will Hamas be the tipping point? It did not take much to set off WW1.

Here are the facts of the situation.

There is no Palestinian leader who can credibly offer peace to Israel, and until there is, no peaceful solution to the conflict is possible.

That being the case, the only way to prevent Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc. who are committed to the destruction of Israel, from killing Israelis is to destroy them and to prevent and to prevent their supporters from reorganizing, hence the restrictions in Judea and Samaria and soon in Gaza.

You can complain this is grievously unfair to some Palestinian civilians, but not maintaining these restrictions would allow the terrorists to kill many more Israelis, which would be grievously unfair to Israelis, so until such time the Palestinians organize a coherent government that can credibly offer peace to Israel, the only way Israel can protect its people is for all the things you complain about to stay in place, and that's why the invasion must go forward.

 

[Shusha]

Gaza has effectively been under seige for 16 yrs. It is a defacto open air prison. Regardless of how you feel about them, Israel has systematically practiced collective punishment on the Palestinians since occupation. ...


This is something that can't be fixed by armed conflict alone, not without taking a step back
and examining the policies that have led to this.

I believe one of the most important things that we, as non-Israelis and non-Palestinians, can do to promote solutions and peace is to stop using unnecessarily incendiary framing of a complex conflict with language like "open air prison", "seige", "collective punishment". Not only are they inaccurate, none of these "short-cut" phrases leaves space for holding all of the policies and actions both parties to the conflict.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Gisha, a left-wing Israeli NGO that follows travel to and from Gaza, is upset:

When the heinous attack by Hamas and other armed militants in the south of Israel began on October 7, thousands of Palestinian workers from Gaza with Israeli work permits were present in Israel. Prior to the attack, there were roughly 18,500 Palestinian residents of Gaza who held permits enabling them to access manual labor jobs in Israel, mainly in agriculture and construction. It is not clear how many of these permit-holders were in Israel that Saturday.

... Unable to return to their homes in Gaza given the hostilities surrounding Gaza’s crossings with Israel, and Israel’s subsequent decision to close the crossings hermetically, numerous workers from Gaza made their way to the West Bank, hoping to find shelter with local residents. A number of Gaza workers who crossed into the West Bank through Israeli-controlled checkpoints reported they were held at the checkpoints for many hours, their cell phones and cash were taken away, and they were subjected to violent and humiliating “questioning” and harassment by soldiers.

On October 11, Gaza workers discovered that the Israeli work permits lawfully in their possession had been revoked, and that there was no record of their permits on COGAT’s Al-Munasiq app, where Palestinians can check on the status of their permit applications to Israeli authorities. COGAT later confirmed to Gisha that it had revoked all work permits issued to Palestinians from the Gaza Strip and that the permits “will not be reinstated.”

The mass revocation of people’s permits instantaneously turned Gaza residents who had been lawfully present in Israel into “illegal aliens,” from Israel’s perspective. Soon after the permits were deleted from COGAT’s app, the organizations learned that the Israeli authorities were arresting Palestinians from Gaza. Some were arrested inside Israel, some at checkpoints en route into the West Bank, and others still in areas of the West Bank that are under the Palestinian Authority’s civilian and security control.

Reading between the lines, one sees that Israel didn't detain all the workers. And other reports show that Israel actually sent hundreds to the West Bank after interrogation. They revoked their permits, and detained some.

Gisha doesn't even hazard a guess as to why Israel might be acting this way. So allow me.

Hamas had excellent intel about every community surrounding Gaza, and it is highly likely that some of these workers provided Hamas with that information. Moreover, there are reports that some victims recognized the workers participating in the mass violence. Of course Israel would want to question each and every Gazan worker - not only to see if they were involved in the massacre, but also to see if they were purposely sent by Hamas to be positioned as sleeper cells in Israel itself.

While some articles are framing this as a human rights issue - socialist site Jewish Currents seems to be upset that the permits were revoked, seeming to think that Israel should still allow Gazans to freely enter and exit Israel during a war -they are ignoring the basic human rights of Israelis not to be murdered. Moreover, how could anyone even consider that Israeli survivors of the attack live with people who very possibly either worked with Hamas or cheered the massacre of their friends and family?

Non citizens of Israel have no rights to be in Israel - that should be obvious. Either Israel ships them to Gaza, which makes no sense when the crossings are closed, or they send them to the West Bank, which they are doing, or they detain them if there appears to be a chance that they are dangers to national security.

Any nation would do the same.

And the fact that Israel released hundreds of them show that Israel is not engaging in "collective punishment" against them. Israel is looking at each case individually and making decisions for each person.

None of this is outrageous. None of this is illogical. All of this makes sense in the context that they are effectively citizens of an enemy state.

As always, the people who pretend to care about the human rights of Gazans are completely dismissive that Israelis have any human rights of their own.

NGOs start complaining about Israel arresting hundreds of potential Gazan spies

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Stop whitewashing mainstream Palestinian support for terror​

Nathan French, Associate Professor of Religion at Miami University, conducts an analysis of Palestinian attitudes towards terror as viewed through surveys over the years. at The Conversation

His conclusion:

Support of armed resistance was not always present. When Hamas openly fought the Palestinian Authority – which governs the West Bank and questioned the legitimacy of Hamas’ victory – and seized control over the Gaza Strip in 2007, over 73% of Palestinians opposed that seizure and any further armed conflict.

At that time, fewer than one-third of Gazans supported any military action against Israel. Over 80% condemned kidnapping, arson and indiscriminate violence.

If read over time, polls of Gazans from 2007 to 2023 tell a story. They help make clear that Gazan support for armed resistance grew alongside increasing frustration, anger and a sense of hopelessness with any political solution to their suffering.

Either Nathan French does not know how to read polls or he is purposefully misinterpreting them.

The 73% in 2007 that he says "opposed any further armed conflict" were talking about between Hamas and Fatah. the question was not about Israel at all.

The "over 80%" question was likewise not about Israel at all; the poll said the "Overwhelming majority (82%) describes acts such as kidnappings of foreigners and bombing of internet cafes and foreign schools [in Palestinian territories - EoZ] as criminal deserving condemnation and only 3% describe them as nationalist deserving support." That poll did not ask about support for terror attacks, the only question I could find that French might be referring to is "63% supported and 34% opposed the plan presented by PA president Abbas for a ceasefire with Israel that would start in the Gaza Strip and then extend to the West Bank" appears to be about a plan where Hamas stopped rocket fire and Israel stopped retaliating - nothing to do with terror attacks.

Now, why did he start his analysis in 2007? 2007 is not a representative year - it was the height of the Hamas-Fatah fighting and Palestinians were sick of that war. But if French's theory that Palestinian support for terror is correlated with ever increasing "hopelessness" then their support for terror should have been lower beforehand.

But in 2001,92% supported attacks against "settlers" and 58% supported terror attacks inside Israel, in the abstract. When asked about a specific murderous attack, over the years, Palestinians consistently overwhelmingly supported them. The pollster only rarely asked about specific attacks but in 2003, when asked about the Maxim restaurant suicide bombing in Haifa that murdered 21 including a two month old baby, 75% of Palestinians - and 82% of Gazans - supported it.

Let's go back further. The very first PCPSR poll was held in July 2000, at the height of the intensive Clinton negotiations for peace. If there was ever a time that Palestinians should have felt hopeful, it was around then. In that poll, 75% supported reconciliation between Israelis and Palestinians.

But when asked about support for terror, even then, 52% supported "armed attacks against Israelis" - not just "settlers."

There is no correlation between Palestinian support for terror and generic "hopelessness." Support for terror in the abstract has always bounced between 45-60%; support for specific terror attacks have always been huge majorities of 3-1 or 4-1. And if polls come out about the Simchat Torah massacre, the results will almost certainly be overwhelmingly in support. 84% supported the Mercaz Harav massacre in 2008, 77% a 2008 suicide attack that killed a woman in Dimona, 80% supported the wave of stabbing attacks in 2014 including the murder of four rabbis in Har Nof.

I have not seen a single Palestinian newspaper say a single word against the October 7 slaughter. .And remember, it happened when things in Gaza were better than at any time since the Hamas takeover, not worse.

The "hopelessness" theory has no evidence, unless you cherry pick and lie about actual surveys.

One survey in 2011 asked questions no one had asked before, and the results were so disturbing and went so far against the theory that "most Palestinians want peace" that the entire world ignored it:

Sixty-six percent said the Palestinians’ real goal should be to start with a two-state solution but then move to it all being one Palestinian state.

Asked about the fate of Jerusalem, 92% said it should be the capital of Palestine, 1% said the capital of Israel, 3% the capital of both, and 4% a neutral international city.

Seventy-two percent backed denying the thousands of years of Jewish history in Jerusalem, 62% supported kidnapping IDF soldiers and holding them hostage, and 53% were in favor or teaching songs about hating Jews in Palestinian schools.

When given a quote from the Hamas Charter about the need for battalions from the Arab and Islamic world to defeat the Jews, 80% agreed. Seventy-three percent agreed with a quote from the charter (and a hadith, or tradition ascribed to the prophet Muhammad) about the need to kill Jews hiding behind stones and trees.

The Conversation's motto is "Academic rigor, journalistic flair." This article might have the latter, but it sure doesn't reflect any academic rigor. It is more a reflection of wishful thinking - right thinking people do not want to believe that Palestinians simply hate Jews and want to see them all ethnically cleansed from the Middle East.

And the people who refuse to admit reality are not the people who should be giving advice on how to respond to reality.

Stop whitewashing mainstream Palestinian support for terror

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Hamas Has A History of Threatening Those Who Report The Truth From Gaza (Daled Amos)

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[When separate causes get infected by other causes which have nothing to do with them. What can bring BLM to their senses? Or any other groups who have become Pro Free Palestine?]

Black Lives Matter’s cozy relationship with the Hamas-friendly groups may come as a shock to the movement’s Jewish allies, given that 600 prominent Jewish organizations, including the Anti-Defamation League, signed a letter and published a full-page ad in the New York Times in August 2020 expressing their unequivocal support of Black Lives Matter.

Black Lives Matter's ties with the groups dates back to 2014, when Palestinian activists advised black rioters in Ferguson, Mo., on how to resist the police. Their efforts earned accolades from prominent Black Lives Matter leaders such as DeRay Mckesson, who credited Palestinian protesters for teaching rioters "what to do when we got tear-gassed."

Rep. Cori Bush (D., Mo.), who said cutting off American support of Israel was the only way to put a stop to Hamas terror, honored Palestinian activist Bassem Masri during a speech on the House floor in May 2021 for resisting and rebelling with rioters in Ferguson.

Black Lives Matter solidified its ties with Palestinian forces in 2015 when its leaders embarked on a 10-day trip to Israel to "experience and see firsthand the occupation, ethnic cleansing and brutality Israel has levied against Palestinians" and to build relationships with people in the region "leading the fight for liberation."

During that trip, Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors organized a flash mob in Nazareth specifically to support the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement against Israel. Cullors resigned from Black Lives Matter in 2021 amid allegations of financial misconduct and now earns a living as a nude performance artist.

The following year, the Movement for Black Lives, a close ally of Black Lives Matter, released a policy platform that labeled Israel an apartheid state and called for the end of the "Israeli occupation of Palestine." The policy platform earned the unequivocal support of Students for Justice in Palestine, whose chapters have issued statements honoring Hamas "martyrs" who murdered Jewish children earlier this month.


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Inside Black Lives Matter's Long History With Hamas-Friendly Activists

Black Lives Matter chapters across the country made waves last week when they praised Hamas's attack on Israel. It's merely the latest instance of the progressive group making common cause with the terrorist group.

freebeacon.com

 

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[ Nation of Islam for sure. Never have been a Nation otherwise. And not by endlessly declaring war on Israel]

A top leader of the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas pointedly refused to apologize for the group’s Oct. 7 pogrom in southern Israel, intimating his willingness to sacrifice vast numbers of people in the service of his cause.

“Nations are not easily liberated,” Khaled Mashal — the former chairman of Hamas and one of its leading figures based abroad — told the Saudi broadcaster Al Arabiya in an interview on Thursday that was translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).

“The Russians sacrificed 30 million people in World War II, in order to liberate it from Hitler’s attack. The Vietnamese sacrificed 3.5 million people until they defeated the Americans. Afghanistan sacrificed millions of martyrs to defeat the USSR and then the US. The Algerian people sacrificed six million martyrs over 130 years. The Palestinian people are just like any other nation. No nation is liberated without sacrifices,” Mashal said.

A founder of Hamas in the late 1980s, Mashal was the undisputed leader of Hamas when it won a majority of seats in the 2006 Palestinian legislative elections, leading to a civil war that resulted in the violent ejection of the rival Fatah faction from Gaza.




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‘Nations Are Not Easily Liberated’: Hamas Leader Calls for More Bloodshed in Arab Media Interview - Algemeiner.com

A top leader of the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas pointedly refused to apologize for the group's Oct. 7 pogrom in southern Israel, intimating his willingness to sacrifice vast numbers of people in the service of his cause. "Nations are not easily liberated," Khaled Mashal — the former...

www.algemeiner.com

 

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Natalie Raanan, 3rd left, Judith Raanan, right, are seen upon arrival in Israel after being released from Hamas captivity as government hostage envoy Gal Hirsch, center, holds their hands, October 20, 2023 (Courtesy)

The first photo of American hostages Judith and Natalie Raanan since their return to Israel has been released by the Prime Minister’s Office.

 

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Khaled Mashaal, one of the senior members of the terrorist organization Hamas, was interviewed Thursday night on the Saudi 'Al-Arabiya network and discussed the current war with Israel.

Unexpectedly, during the conversation, the presenter asked to confront Mashal with the fact that the world compares the Hamas organization to Daesh, a murderous and extremely cruel fundamentalist Islamic terrorist organization, which committed atrocities against civilians.

Hamas is being compared to ISIS former Hamas chief challenged Arab host

Khaled Meshaal served as chairman of the political bureau of Hamas between 1996 and 2017.

www.jpost.com

 

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Israel slated to shut ’pro-Hamas’ network Al-Jazeera run by Qatar

Al-Jazeera was allegedly reporting on sensitive IDF movements on the Gaza border.

www.jpost.com

 

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Natalie Raanan, 3rd left, Judith Raanan, right, are seen upon arrival in Israel after being released from Hamas captivity as government hostage envoy Gal Hirsch, center, holds their hands, October 20, 2023 (Courtesy)

The first photo of American hostages Judith and Natalie Raanan since their return to Israel has been released by the Prime Minister’s Office.

Hamas says it has released two American hostages being held in Gaza​