Israel's War Against Hamas - Updates

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3) End of 75 years of Palestinian "victimhood" & return myths that fuel conflict, genocidal hate, mass murder. Israel will only allow donors (particularly #EU) to operate on basis of Palestinian agency and accountability. >

4) Gaza population will no longer be able to go back & forth to work in Israel, receive medical care (real or facade for terror), etc. Regardless of post-war Israeli political leadership, no international pressure will change this -- the Israeli public will say no. >

5) This war, however cosly and long, will change Israel permanently. No post-war government will be able to return to the era of Palestinian victimhood, one-way security "concessions", etc. In academic jargon, an entirely new realism-based paradigm is required.

6) In case #1 wasn't clear, the era of
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in Gaza is over - they ran conduits for the terror infrastructure & indoctrination. UNRWA will still exist on paper and in NY, & maybe in Lebanon & Syria "refugee camps", but not in Gaza or West Bank.

 

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The Hamas terrorist organization that rules the Gaza Strip held an anti-Israel “Day of Jihad” on Oct. 13 putting Jewish organizations worldwide on high alert for antisemitic violence. Jewish college students are opting to fight fire with water with a “global day of lovingkindness” on Oct. 22.

“It’s difficult to see the degree of disrespect and antagonism that exists towards supporters of Israel,” said Uriel Sussman, a junior studying philosophy at Yeshiva University in New York City.

“I think the desire for positivity to combat the hatred that people are feeling has been one of the drivers of the global ‘Day of Lovingkindness’ campaign,” Sussman told JNS.

Yeshiva’s campus in Manhattan, where the undergraduate student body is virtually entirely Jewish and largely Orthodox, has been “particularly somber,” Sussman said. He said he hears “frightening and shocking” reports from friends on other campuses.

“If the supporters of Hamas are perpetuating violence and evil on a ‘Day of Jihad,’ then the supporters of Israel will call upon our values by spreading ahavah (‘love’) and building up the world with acts of compassion and righteousness on a ‘Day of Lovingkindness’ (chesed),” per the event’s website.

Sussman told JNS that after he conceived of the idea, he discussed it with Rabbi Ari Berman, president of Yeshiva University, who told him: “Make it happen.”

“At the time, I had no idea what that meant,” Sussman said. “If I learned one thing from this campaign, it is that with a lot of hard work and a dedicated team, you can really make a difference in the world.”

Dozens of organizations in eight countries have endorsed the event, including Yeshiva University, Hillel International, UJA-Federation New York, Bnei Akiva, NCSY, Chabad on Campus, Yachad, Gift of Life and StandWithUs.

Recommendations for those who want to participate include buying someone a meal, greeting strangers, donating blood and picking up litter around the neighborhood. “Think outside the box and come up with your own ways to make the world a better place,” say organizers.

Among those who have shared information about the day of kindness on social media is Rep. Ritchie Torres (D-N.Y.), who posted it to more than 37,000 followers.

“It is one thing to have a good idea. It is quite another to see it spread on the national stage,” Sussman said. “I think it was at once confirming and exciting.”

College students organize ‘Day of Lovingkindness’ in solidarity with Israel - JNS.org

The campaign reflects the “desire for positivity to combat the hatred that people are feeling,” says organizer Uriel Sussman.

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Galilee Medical Center bans BBC from premises​

The British BBC network was supposed to arrive Saturday to film at the Galilee Medical Center in Nahariya, but that will reportedly not happen, as the hospital has closed its doors to the channel - due to what they describe as the BBC's "biased coverage of the war."

"I would like to inform you that I informed the BBC team, who planned to come to film us tomorrow morning, of the following message: You are temporarily suspended from the Galilee Medical Center, until further notice," said Gal Zeid, the Galilee Medical Center spokesman, in an official statement on the matter.

The hospital, under the management of Prof. Masad Barhoum, is the one that takes in most of the wounded combat soldiers in the north. Since the beginning of the recent conflict, the medical center, which is located 10 kilometers from the Lebanon border, has received more than 170 injured for treatment.

The hospital, as well as the rest of the Israeli public, is angry with the BBC for its controversial coverage of the war against Hamas, which it refuses to refer it as a "terrorist organization."

For example, on Tuesday, when a stray rocket hit the hospital in Gaza, the network was quick to attribute the attack to Israel and did not correct themselves even long after there was no doubt that Israel was not the one that attacked. They instead published on the "Corrections and Clarifications" page that the report "was not true."

(full article online)

Galilee Medical Center bans BBC from premises

The British broadcasting team was supposed to film in Nahariya, but hospital staff are angry about the biased coverage of the war and announced: "They will not enter here until further notice."

www.jpost.com

 

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Siege: I believe the Israeli government used that term to describe what it was doing. Cutting off all access, egress, food, electricity, fuel, medical supplies and water is a siege.

Still not a siege. For the following reasons:
1. Israel does not control the Gaza territory as there is a corridor through Egypt for egress and aide
2. no sovereign nation is required to admit foreign nationals into its borders (let alone during wartime)
3. no sovereign nation is obligated to provide water, electricity, fuel, medical supplies, food to foreign nationals (let alone during wartime)*

What there WAS was a limited blockade in an attempt to keep weapons, and items which could be converted to weapons, (and, yes, sometimes luxury items) out of a hostile territory actively committing war crimes against you. This is an entirely reasonable, even restrained response.

Additionally, the government of a governed people has an absolute, unconditional, obligation to protect its civilian population by ensuring, to the best of its ability, such necessities as adequate clean water, electricity, fuel, food, medical supplies. A government which fails to do so is fully responsible for the outcome. You can't make another nation responsible for the failures of your government.

*You could make the argument that while a nation is not required to provide humanitarian aide during wartime to its enemies, it should not be permitted to prevent humanitarian aide from reaching refugees, and I would agree with you.

Open air prison: ok, we don’t call it that, but what else is it for the civilian population within? A population that is hugely young, with almost half having little to no memory of anything else?

Yes, let's not call it that. Its a civilian population governed by organized, governing jihadis. Israel, Egypt, and pretty much the entire Arab world is (with notable exceptions) are ... disinclined ... to make peace with jihadis. If you want to be invited to the global party, if you want people to stop locking the doors and shutting the blinds when you walk up the driveway, you have to stop the murderous rampage.

Collective punishment: that has to be acknowledged because it is what has been occurring for a long time. Maybe it is time to be honest about it?

This one is complicated. I vehemently disagree that "collective punishment" is the correct language. It's a weasel word. However, we are dealing with "collectives" in this discussion: Jews, Israelis, Gazans, Palestinians, Muslims, Arabs, Christians, "settlers", indigenous, civilians, combatants, innocents. Let me pause and "collect" (grin) my thoughts on this one before I answer, if you will give me that grace.

Just as we have to be honest about Hamas. They are not freedom fighters, they are ISIS. They are not victims nor do they care about the Palestinian people they are using in an attempt to promote a religious war. Hamas holds 100% responsibility for forcing Israel’s current actions in Gaza.

100.

However Israel bears a large responsibility for fostering a situation that empowered them.

Yeah, hard nope on this one. Gaza had a glorious opportunity. Israel (informally) ceded the territory and all control to the people of Gaza. They could have done anything with it. They chose, within a few days, to commit war crimes on the civilians of Israel. They have been committing war crimes ever since. Israel has been VERY restrained. (That has all changed now. The world of the before times is gone.)

What do you think might have happened if the people of Gaza had chosen peace in 2005, in 2006, in 2007, in all the years up until 2023? No rockets. No incursions. No intifadas. No suicide bombers. No stabbings. No car attacks. No incendiary balloons. No paragliders. No savage, unspeakable torture, slaughter, kidnapping, rape. What do you think might have happened?

Be honest.

(good to see you again, you’ve always been a voice of reason imo)

Thank you. That is kind of you to say.

 

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Hamas is a master of manipulation.

And the west falls for it. Particularly those of a “certain persuasion”.

The numbers of casualties could be fudged. Another tell-tale sign is the Pallywood style of people frantically rushing around, usually with children in their arms.

Nothing is mentioned about the 20 years of rocket bombardment from Gaza, schools, hospitals, you name it.

 

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Israeli security forces arrested four Gazans on Friday who were hiding in an apartment in the southern Israeli city of Beersheva.

Border Police officers acted upon intelligence indicating the Gazans were staying in Israel illegally, according to a statement by authorities.

Beersheva is located approximately 40 kilometers (25 miles) from the Gaza Strip.

The Israeli military has not ruled out the possibility that Hamas terrorists remain in the country.

“We have not finished scanning [the Gaza border area] yet,” Israel Defense Forces Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said on Thursday.

He noted that troops on Wednesday located and captured a Palestinian terrorist—tired and hungry—who was attempting to return to Gaza.

Hagari stressed that there have been no additional infiltrations of Israel in the past few days.

(full article online)

Israeli forces nab four Gazans hiding in Beersheva - JNS.org

Authorities did not reveal whether the Palestinians were involved in the Oct. 7 cross-border mass invasion by Hamas terrorists.

www.jns.org

 

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[ Are these Israelis still in Gaza? ]

IMAGE SOURCE, AFP
Image caption,

Relatives of Hamas hostages Avera Mengistu and Hisham al-Sayed campaigning for their release in 2018

The forgotten Israeli hostages kept by Hamas in Gaza for years

Israel's pain over some 200 people kidnapped by Hamas overshadows the years of waiting for two hostages and soldiers' remains.

www.bbc.com

 

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