Issues that conservatives suddenly don't care about ..

[mudwhistle]

What happens when the government opens a position?
What benefit is it to the economy?
How does is decrease the debt or balance the budget?

Compare it to a job created in the private sector. Private sector jobs are a plus whereas government jobs are a drain on the Treasury. Government jobs create more need for revenue which means increasing taxes, which increases the burden on job creators and tax payers. Basically, creating millions of government jobs does only one thing. Hurt the economy.

Teachers, policemen, firemen, public works employees, construction jobs, the entire defense industry both public and private

All jobs created by the government

The purpose of government has expanded to the point that it has become overly burdensome to the public good. You say you work in the government and you should know how it is slow and inefficient. You also should know that in every office or shop there are people who don't pull their own weight. Because they've created permanent positions, the lazy and worthless can come in every day and do absolutely nothing and not get fired because of it.

We're talking strictly Public Works here.

Policemen, teachers, and firefighters are a different issue. They aren't federal employees. I've never been one of these, so I can't speak to that issue and all you're trying to do is deflect from what we have been talking about.

Government employees are government employees regardless of what level they work at. Still jobs created by government
Government fills the roles that people can't. People can't build roads, so government collects money to build them collectively. Same with education, police, fire. The people can't build a military...we need the government to do that

Yes, we do need government to do jobs that the private sector can't. Those provisions are listed in the US Constitution. Anything outside of that list should be handled by the state, city or county.

Government needs to do what needs to be done as determined by We the People.

Whether it is done at the local, state or federal level depends on where it makes the most sense

Considering the fact that "the people" mostly have their heads up their asses and are so easily manipulated by a corrupt media, I think you aren't a good judge of the issue. Leaving decisions up to the masses can only guarantee a total cluster-fuck. That is why our government is a Republic. We vote for representatives to make those decisions for us. That is why just putting some ass-reaming butt-wad in those important positions is a serious problem that you fuckers on the left seem to take for granted. You vote for people because of their skin color and because they have a vagina. You don't vote for them because they know what in the Hell they're doing.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Hard for government to provide or promote anything without any funding. Republicans are well acquainted with that tactic

Not at all. A politician can ask the American people to support a charity or create a charity themselves to support whatever. That's promoting the welfare. The government can send in the national guard to a torn area after a hurricane or earthquake, that's providing for the general welfare.

But forcing people to pay taxes for some social program is funding the general welfare, and our founders didn't want that--at least from the federal government.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Imagine what our debt would be (if we even had one) today had we only listened to his words?

 

[rightwinger]

Teachers, policemen, firemen, public works employees, construction jobs, the entire defense industry both public and private

All jobs created by the government

The purpose of government has expanded to the point that it has become overly burdensome to the public good. You say you work in the government and you should know how it is slow and inefficient. You also should know that in every office or shop there are people who don't pull their own weight. Because they've created permanent positions, the lazy and worthless can come in every day and do absolutely nothing and not get fired because of it.

We're talking strictly Public Works here.

Policemen, teachers, and firefighters are a different issue. They aren't federal employees. I've never been one of these, so I can't speak to that issue and all you're trying to do is deflect from what we have been talking about.

Government employees are government employees regardless of what level they work at. Still jobs created by government
Government fills the roles that people can't. People can't build roads, so government collects money to build them collectively. Same with education, police, fire. The people can't build a military...we need the government to do that

Yes, we do need government to do jobs that the private sector can't. Those provisions are listed in the US Constitution. Anything outside of that list should be handled by the state, city or county.

Government needs to do what needs to be done as determined by We the People.

Whether it is done at the local, state or federal level depends on where it makes the most sense

Considering the fact that "the people" mostly have their heads up their asses and are so easily manipulated by a corrupt media, I think you aren't a good judge of the issue. Leaving decisions up to the masses can only guarantee a total cluster-fuck. That is why our government is a Republic. We vote for representatives to make those decisions for us. That is why just putting some ass-reaming butt-wad in those important positions is a serious problem that you fuckers on the left seem to take for granted. You vote for people because of their skin color and because they have a vagina. You don't vote for them because they know what in the Hell they're doing.

We the People created the Constitution and elected the government

 

[rightwinger]

Hard for government to provide or promote anything without any funding. Republicans are well acquainted with that tactic

Not at all. A politician can ask the American people to support a charity or create a charity themselves to support whatever. That's promoting the welfare. The government can send in the national guard to a torn area after a hurricane or earthquake, that's providing for the general welfare.

But forcing people to pay taxes for some social program is funding the general welfare, and our founders didn't want that--at least from the federal government.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Imagine what our debt would be (if we even had one) today had we only listened to his words?

Sorry...but that is just funny

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sorry...but that is just funny

As they say, the best comedy is based on truth.

 

[mudwhistle]

What happens when the government opens a position?
What benefit is it to the economy?
How does is decrease the debt or balance the budget?

Compare it to a job created in the private sector. Private sector jobs are a plus whereas government jobs are a drain on the Treasury. Government jobs create more need for revenue which means increasing taxes, which increases the burden on job creators and tax payers. Basically, creating millions of government jobs does only one thing. Hurt the economy.

Teachers, policemen, firemen, public works employees, construction jobs, the entire defense industry both public and private

All jobs created by the government

The purpose of government has expanded to the point that it has become overly burdensome to the public good. You say you work in the government and you should know how it is slow and inefficient. You also should know that in every office or shop there are people who don't pull their own weight. Because they've created permanent positions, the lazy and worthless can come in every day and do absolutely nothing and not get fired because of it.

We're talking strictly Public Works here.

Policemen, teachers, and firefighters are a different issue. They aren't federal employees. I've never been one of these, so I can't speak to that issue and all you're trying to do is deflect from what we have been talking about.

Government employees are government employees regardless of what level they work at. Still jobs created by government
Government fills the roles that people can't. People can't build roads, so government collects money to build them collectively. Same with education, police, fire. The people can't build a military...we need the government to do that

Still trying to deflect.
The feds have nothing to do with local government jobs.
The primary responsibility of the federal government is to provide national defense and security. State and local government is responsible for infrastructure...or did you forget that. Nope, you're just trying to move the goalposts to justify your false positions.

Actually, my local government regularly applies for state and federal funding for major projects.
All levels of Government interact and services are provided where they make the most sense. I don't want the federal government plowing the snow in front of my house.....I don't want my town having to chip in and buy a fighter jet

The federal government wasn't designed to do this. Politicians went around the constitution and started using federal money to buy votes.

Fiscal Federalism

• Chris Edwards

June 1, 2013
The federal government has developed a complex financial relationship with state governments through the grants-in-aid system. The system has grown steadily for more than a century as the federal government has become involved in an increasing array of state and local activities. Today there are more than 1,100 different federal aid programs for the states, with each program having its own rules and regulations. The system is a complicated mess, and it is getting worse all the time.


It wasn’t supposed to be this way. Under the U.S. Constitution, the federal government was assigned specific, limited powers and most government functions were left to the states. To ensure that people understood the limits on federal power, the nation’s founders added the Constitution’s Tenth Amendment: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”


The Tenth Amendment embodies federalism, the idea that federal and state governments have separate areas of activity and that federal responsibilities were “few and defined,” as James Madison noted. Historically, federalism acted as a safeguard of American freedoms. President Ronald Reagan noted in a 1987 executive order, “Federalism is rooted in the knowledge that our political liberties are best assured by limiting the size and scope of the national government.”1


Unfortunately, policymakers and courts have mainly discarded federalism in recent decades. Congress has undertaken many activities that were traditionally reserved to the states and the private sector. Grants-in-aid are a key mechanism that the federal government has used to extend its power into state and local affairs. Grant programs are subsidies that come part and parcel with federal regulations designed to micromanage state and local activities.​

 

[mudwhistle]

The purpose of government has expanded to the point that it has become overly burdensome to the public good. You say you work in the government and you should know how it is slow and inefficient. You also should know that in every office or shop there are people who don't pull their own weight. Because they've created permanent positions, the lazy and worthless can come in every day and do absolutely nothing and not get fired because of it.

We're talking strictly Public Works here.

Policemen, teachers, and firefighters are a different issue. They aren't federal employees. I've never been one of these, so I can't speak to that issue and all you're trying to do is deflect from what we have been talking about.

Government employees are government employees regardless of what level they work at. Still jobs created by government
Government fills the roles that people can't. People can't build roads, so government collects money to build them collectively. Same with education, police, fire. The people can't build a military...we need the government to do that

Yes, we do need government to do jobs that the private sector can't. Those provisions are listed in the US Constitution. Anything outside of that list should be handled by the state, city or county.

Government needs to do what needs to be done as determined by We the People.

Whether it is done at the local, state or federal level depends on where it makes the most sense

Considering the fact that "the people" mostly have their heads up their asses and are so easily manipulated by a corrupt media, I think you aren't a good judge of the issue. Leaving decisions up to the masses can only guarantee a total cluster-fuck. That is why our government is a Republic. We vote for representatives to make those decisions for us. That is why just putting some ass-reaming butt-wad in those important positions is a serious problem that you fuckers on the left seem to take for granted. You vote for people because of their skin color and because they have a vagina. You don't vote for them because they know what in the Hell they're doing.

We the People created the Constitution and elected the government

The Founding Fathers created the Constitution. The people elected those who wrote the amendments to the constitution. The people had only a small part in it. A part that a trained monkey could do.

 

[rightwinger]

Sorry...but that is just funny

As they say, the best comedy is based on truth.

The part about government encouraging you to contribute to charity was funny

 

[RealDave]

That's $400,000. His commutes to Manhattan, plus security, will cost taxpayers tens of millions of dollars.

You continue to be a dumbass Kool-Aid drinker.

You have no idea how many times he's going to Manhattan or where his wife is going to live. Everything is talk now.

How many trips before you're pissed off about it?

Why would I care how many trips he makes? Why would you? Oh, that's right, because he's not a member of the Democrat club, huh? No problems with DumBama flying all over the country (and world) half of the time to play golf though.

Wow Ray. So you won't care if Trump travels to NYC every weekend, travels to gold everywhere. But hey. you certainly had a freakin fit when Obama did it.

Trump isn't president yet, so he's using his own money for travel.

But we are paying for his protection while he travels.

 

[RealDave]

Republicans sat on it for six years even though it had the votes to pass

American Jobs Act - Wikipedia

1. Spending $50 billion on both new & pre-existing infrastructure projects.
2. Spending $35 billion in additional funding to protect the jobs of teachers, police officers, and firefighters
3. Spending $30 billion to modernize at least 35,000 public schools and community colleges.
4. Spending $15 billion on a program that would hire construction workers to help rehabilitate and refurbishing hundreds of thousands of foreclosed homes and businesses.

Over $100 billion in construction jobs rejected by Republicans

It was a non-starter. Obama wanted to create a bank so he could more easily pilfer the Treasury. He wouldn't specify what the money would be used for. (Most likely funding groups like ACORN and Blacklivesmatter to fund more riots in our cities and register illegal immigrants to vote in elections)
He also wanted to extend out unemployment benefits even more reducing any incentive people would have to find employment. If the GOP had passed it, the unemployment rate would have stayed around 10% for a couple of years longer.

He wanted to extend unemployment benefits because the jobs were not out there.
$100 billion invested in infrastructure would have provided those jobs

Republicans blocked it because they didn't want those jobs showing up on Obamas watch

Trump is chomping at the bit to get credit for those jobs

Yeah. Little do we know, there are millions of jobs out there waiting to be created and Obama wants to take credit for it. Right?
Here's the facts. Government does not create jobs. Government simply takes from us. Their job is to get the hell out of the way of the economy, but Obama couldn't seem to do that. He created thousands of regulations designed to increase costs to businesses and prevent entrepreneurship which is the machine behind job creation.

The Government creates tens of millions of jobs

What happens when the government opens a position?
What benefit is it to the economy?
How does is decrease the debt or balance the budget?

Compare it to a job created in the private sector. Private sector jobs are a plus whereas government jobs are a drain on the Treasury. Government jobs create more need for revenue which means increasing taxes, which increases the burden on job creators and tax payers. Basically, creating millions of government jobs does only one thing. Hurt the economy.

 

[Iceweasel]

What happens when the government opens a position?
What benefit is it to the economy?
How does is decrease the debt or balance the budget?

Compare it to a job created in the private sector. Private sector jobs are a plus whereas government jobs are a drain on the Treasury. Government jobs create more need for revenue which means increasing taxes, which increases the burden on job creators and tax payers. Basically, creating millions of government jobs does only one thing. Hurt the economy.

Teachers, policemen, firemen, public works employees, construction jobs, the entire defense industry both public and private

All jobs created by the government

The purpose of government has expanded to the point that it has become overly burdensome to the public good. You say you work in the government and you should know how it is slow and inefficient. You also should know that in every office or shop there are people who don't pull their own weight. Because they've created permanent positions, the lazy and worthless can come in every day and do absolutely nothing and not get fired because of it.

We're talking strictly Public Works here.

Policemen, teachers, and firefighters are a different issue. They aren't federal employees. I've never been one of these, so I can't speak to that issue and all you're trying to do is deflect from what we have been talking about.

Government employees are government employees regardless of what level they work at. Still jobs created by government
Government fills the roles that people can't. People can't build roads, so government collects money to build them collectively. Same with education, police, fire. The people can't build a military...we need the government to do that

Still trying to deflect.
The feds have nothing to do with local government jobs.
The primary responsibility of the federal government is to provide national defense and security. State and local government is responsible for infrastructure...or did you forget that. Nope, you're just trying to move the goalposts to justify your false positions.

You seem to have forgotten the part about 'promoting the general welfare' and 'securing the blessings of liberty':

" provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"

If your interpretation was what they meant then the government has the authority to do whatever it wants. They can take 100% of your earnings and make you stand in their bread lines for rations.

 

[RealDave]

now that Trump is elected , cons have quickly forgotten issues that really bothered them under Obama.

Debt/deficit : 20 trillion!! Bah, who cares . Let's build giant walls and double the military. Costs be damn !

Prez security budget: Obama couldn't go to dinner without a story of how it cost taxpayers trillions . Now trump will be commuting from DC to manhattan on a daily basis . That's cool!

States rights : sanctuary city? You
Must bow to the Feds directives , at your own cost!

What else ? I had more but forgot .

Stop being a partisan pig hypocrite.

You Libtards bitched about Bush's deficits. In that fact that piece of shit that you voted for in 2008 said that Bush's debt was "unpatriotic" then he went on to rack up more debt than all the other Presidents combine and dumbasses like you voted for him.

You don't give a shit about debt.

You condemn Republican debt and do not say a word about Democrat debt. You have no principles so quit your bitching.

If you were truly interested on how the debt got there, you would investigate & find that very little of the added debt was die to actions taken under Obama. You think that Republican responsibility for the debt ended when Bush left office./ The economic disaster he left added trillions to the debt. As did waging his unfinished wars. Heck, just look at Part D Medicare expansions - it adds millions &millions to the debt because your Republicans never properly funded it.

 

[RealDave]

I worked DoD

Never saw as much money spent or people hired in the next thirty years

One of our former employees used to work for NASA, and his testimony is that he never seen so much money wasted in his life.

Wow, one? It just takes one person to destroy the research of hundreds of scientists. I'm surprised you aren't bitching about the amount of money it took to fake the moon landing.

 

[Iceweasel]

now that Trump is elected , cons have quickly forgotten issues that really bothered them under Obama.

Debt/deficit : 20 trillion!! Bah, who cares . Let's build giant walls and double the military. Costs be damn !

Prez security budget: Obama couldn't go to dinner without a story of how it cost taxpayers trillions . Now trump will be commuting from DC to manhattan on a daily basis . That's cool!

States rights : sanctuary city? You
Must bow to the Feds directives , at your own cost!

What else ? I had more but forgot .

Stop being a partisan pig hypocrite.

You Libtards bitched about Bush's deficits. In that fact that piece of shit that you voted for in 2008 said that Bush's debt was "unpatriotic" then he went on to rack up more debt than all the other Presidents combine and dumbasses like you voted for him.

You don't give a shit about debt.

You condemn Republican debt and do not say a word about Democrat debt. You have no principles so quit your bitching.

If you were truly interested on how the debt got there, you would investigate & find that very little of the added debt was die to actions taken under Obama. You think that Republican responsibility for the debt ended when Bush left office./ The economic disaster he left added trillions to the debt. As did waging his unfinished wars. Heck, just look at Part D Medicare expansions - it adds millions &millions to the debt because your Republicans never properly funded it.

obama put us 10 trillion in debt to pay off Bush's expenses?

What's your source?

 

[RealDave]

now that Trump is elected , cons have quickly forgotten issues that really bothered them under Obama.

Debt/deficit : 20 trillion!! Bah, who cares . Let's build giant walls and double the military. Costs be damn !

Prez security budget: Obama couldn't go to dinner without a story of how it cost taxpayers trillions . Now trump will be commuting from DC to manhattan on a daily basis . That's cool!

States rights : sanctuary city? You
Must bow to the Feds directives , at your own cost!

What else ? I had more but forgot .

Getting government out of health care is a biggie. They might move some furniture around, but they won't change anything substantial about ACA.

I would rather get my employer out of making healthcare decisions for me

Oh, so get your employer out of making healthcare decisions for you and let government do it instead.

The government makes no decisions for you.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The government makes no decisions for you.

You mean they're not now? They are making decisions for me. They decided that I have to now buy my own healthcare plan. They decide how much I can afford. They decide on what doctor or hospital I'm allowed to have. They decide what insurance companies I have to choose from.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wow, one? It just takes one person to destroy the research of hundreds of scientists. I'm surprised you aren't bitching about the amount of money it took to fake the moon landing.

One? Yes, I knew one person who worked for the federal government. But there are stories after stories out there of federal government waste.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The part about government encouraging you to contribute to charity was funny

Just using it as an example. But you're correct, imagine government asking for money instead of just forcefully taking it from people.

 

[Flash]

[QUO


If you were truly interested on how the debt got there, you would investigate & find that very little of the added debt was die to actions taken under Obama. .

We hear this silly shit from you stupid Moon Bats all the time. You voted for the asshole and he added ten trillion to the debt and you blame that on somebody else. "Ma baby didin du nutin".

Then you wonder why we ridicule you shitheads so much.

 

[RealDave]

[QUO


If you were truly interested on how the debt got there, you would investigate & find that very little of the added debt was die to actions taken under Obama. .

We hear this silly shit from you stupid Moon Bats all the time. You voted for the asshole and he added ten trillion to the debt and you blame that on somebody else. "Ma baby didin du nutin".

Then you wonder why we ridicule you shitheads so much.

You are clueless. I have news, Obama did not start the Afghanistan & Iraq Wars. Obama did not do the Bush tax cuts, Obama did not create the Bush recessions that cost trillions, Obama did not push an unfunded Medicare expansion.

This is why we got stuck with Trump - uneducated, uninformed whiners like you.

Bush inherited a balanced budget & he led us to nearly killing America. Your oragnge know-nothing buddy will do the same.