Italian and European economy:actual situation

Alcantara

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Dear friends,I am an Italian legal and occasionally I will write about economical situation in my country and in Europe.
I am an attorney but I have economical competences in economy.
I'll respond to your answers about my country but I'm sorry for my English,not very good.
 
Dear friends,I am an Italian legal and occasionally I will write about economical situation in my country and in Europe.
I am an attorney but I have economical competences in economy.
I'll respond to your answers about my country but I'm sorry for my English,not very good.

Your English is much better than my Italian. Welcome to the food fight.

How has Mr. Berlusconi done in the recent elections? I hear that Merkel is holding her breath. Any chance of B making it number 5?
 
Dear friends,I am an Italian legal and occasionally I will write about economical situation in my country and in Europe.
I am an attorney but I have economical competences in economy.
I'll respond to your answers about my country but I'm sorry for my English,not very good.

Your English is much better than my Italian. Welcome to the food fight.

How has Mr. Berlusconi done in the recent elections? I hear that Merkel is holding her breath. Any chance of B making it number 5?

I had my first job interview after grad school with a guy who had just gotten back from managing a division in Italy for 2 years. I said, how'd you like Italy?'" He said, "you know the Italians, everything is manana". When I first landed in Italy I had to buy clothes because El Italia had lost our baggage. Got to the first store at noon after long flight and trip to hotel and was rudely kicked out so the Italians could take there 2 hour midday siesta.

My question would be: why are Italians so lazy, poor, and communist. Italy is as poor as our poorest state, Mississippi.
 
Dear friends,I am an Italian legal and occasionally I will write about economical situation in my country and in Europe.
I am an attorney but I have economical competences in economy.
I'll respond to your answers about my country but I'm sorry for my English,not very good.

Your English is much better than my Italian. Welcome to the food fight.

How has Mr. Berlusconi done in the recent elections? I hear that Merkel is holding her breath. Any chance of B making it number 5?

I had my first job interview after grad school with a guy who had just gotten back from managing a division in Italy for 2 years. I said, how'd you like Italy?'" He said, "you know the Italians, everything is manana". When I first landed in Italy I had to buy clothes because El Italia had lost our baggage. Got to the first store at noon after long flight and trip to hotel and was rudely kicked out so the Italians could take there 2 hour midday siesta.

My question would be: why are Italians so lazy, poor, and communist. Italy is as poor as our poorest state, Mississippi.
Depending on Italian region,because Northern Italy is rich as Holland but Southern Italy is similar to Hungary for P.I.L. and other economical indices.
There are thiefs and burglars in all the world,not only in Italy
Next Sunday and Monday there are Parlament's election;maybe Democratic Part will win but it'll have to receive Civic Lyst's(created by Mario Monti,actual Prime Minister) appointment to make a new government.
 
Dear friends,I am an Italian legal and occasionally I will write about economical situation in my country and in Europe.
I am an attorney but I have economical competences in economy.
I'll respond to your answers about my country but I'm sorry for my English,not very good.

Your English is much better than my Italian. Welcome to the food fight.

How has Mr. Berlusconi done in the recent elections? I hear that Merkel is holding her breath. Any chance of B making it number 5?
Berlusconi is a strange charachter,he receives hate but too love from Italian people.
Probabily sunday he'll not win but he will receive a lot of votes by his electors,especially ignorant and simple people,who watch his television'programs(Mediaset TV).
Merkel is worried for conseguences in eurozone and she has good reasons.
 
Ciao Alcantara,
where are you from?
I'm from Bari and I know that there are a lot of differencies between italian regions, in economic terms, but I also know that each person is a unique man.
I do not agree when someone speaks negative of an entire people, only having heard something bad made by few people.
 
Ciao Alcantara,
where are you from?
I'm from Bari and I know that there are a lot of differencies between italian regions, in economic terms, but I also know that each person is a unique man.
I do not agree when someone speaks negative of an entire people, only having heard something bad made by few people.
Dear friend,I'm from Caserta and I'm agree:your reasons are clear!
 
Next Sunday and Monday,on February 24th and 25th,there will be italian elections for Parliament.This event has considered very important becuase of economical of E.U.,with a strategic importance for eurozone.
The most favourit is Democratic Party that candidated his leader,Pierluigi Bersami end his allied,S.E.L.,a progressive party,led by Nichi vendola but there are success's possibilities for Silvio Berlusconi,leader of P.D.L. and allied with Lega Nord,in a conservative coalition,considered euro-sceptical.An other important and very young moviment is M5S,with his spokeman Beppe Grillo,that is considered by italian and international press a populist force,adverse to E.U.
The electoral system is very complicated and it's possible that there will be no possible majority to make up a stable government,with possible new elections during next months.
Also Mario Monti,present Prime Minister,is a candidate to this election with his Civic List,but the probings are not favourable for this coalition.
An eventual win of Berlusconi's coalition would be a problem for Italy's relations with E.U.,especially with German,while there's a very long economical cryse and Italian economy lives on exceptional recession,the longer in Occident.
 
Dear friends,I am an Italian legal and occasionally I will write about economical situation in my country and in Europe.
I am an attorney but I have economical competences in economy.
I'll respond to your answers about my country but I'm sorry for my English,not very good.

Candidely Alcantara, I am studying the US macroeconomy in hopes of understanding what the hell is happening to it and that's so damned complex that I can bearly pay attention to the diaster that's befalling the EU.

Here's what I think I know, though...you, me, and pretty much everybody depending on the world's economic system are in serious trouble.

While you and I are in different nations, our economies are so tightly woven together by the international banksters, that if your guys sneeze in Rome, we catch a cold here in the USA and vice versa.

There are, I am informed, something in the neighborhood of $457 TRILLION dollars in derivatives toxifying the world's economic system.

You fate in Europe, and ours here in the USA are inextricably linked in ways that we cannot see because the machinations of the world's international banking community are hidden from all of us INCLUDING our governments.

All that said, how goes daily life for the average working stiff in Italy?

Here in the USA, about 60% of the population is hanging by a slender financial thread, living, at best, paycheck to paycheck. The bottom 20% are living on the dole.

Of the top 20%, 80% to top 90% are reasonably secure, top 90-99% are doing very well, and the top 1% are so rich it defies description.
 
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Well....in Italy there's not a financial crisis similar to 2011/12.However,economic situation is probabily worse compared to 2011,because of economic austerity wanted by E.U. and structural reforms made by present government(now resigned!),led by Mario Monti, are not sufficient.
Unfortunately,political situation after the elections could be not stable;a win of Pierluigi Bersani(Democratic Party)could reassure the international traders but the prospect of italian economy are more uncertain than in other European countries.
Some southern regions were further depleted from 2001 to 2012 and now Calabria and Campania are poorest regions of Eurozone.
 
During 60's in last century,Italian economy was the second in the world for economic growth,after Japan.During 70's and 80's our economy is not brilliant as in the past and there was the serious problem of a big inflation;from 1982 there was the "explosion"of public debt too.
So in 1992 there was an awful economic cryse and the"lira",the Italian value,already weak and devalutated,had to leave European System,as the pound and Greek dracma.However,during 90's Italian governments made am important economic healing's work and so Italy in 1999 entered in Eurozone.
But in 2011 Italian public debt's titles were involved in "euro's cryse",because of long absence of economic growth and the serious recession that is striking the italian economy.In spite of big progresses occured during 2012,this cryse,not only for Italy but for all Southern Europe,didn't finish.
 
What do you believe are the root causes of the economic problems facing Italy, right now?

How would you solve them if you were the ABSOLUTE DICTATOR of the nation?
 
What do you believe are the root causes of the economic problems facing Italy, right now?

How would you solve them if you were the ABSOLUTE DICTATOR of the nation?
Italy has an absolute necessity to open herself to the world,while Italian people has the temptation to segregate its nation.So, I would enterprise a lot of liberalizations and I would attempt to modernize Italian economy,by an economic politics similar to Chile's recent politics.Italy has to be assimilitated to Central Europe's economy,by a reformist government like these of 90's(Ciampi'sn cabinet,Amato's cabinet,for example)or by a movment similar to English New Labour.
 
What Chilean style policies do you have in mind?
Chilean progressist government:

Concert of Parties for Democracy
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Concert of Parties for Democracy
Concertación de Partidos por la Democracia
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Leader Michelle Bachelet Jeria
Founded 1988
Ideology Social democracy,
Christian left,
Social liberalism,
Christian democracy
Chamber of Deputies
54 / 120
Senate
19 / 38
Councillors
1,070 / 2,130
Politics of Chile
Political parties
Elections

The Concert of Parties for Democracy (Spanish: Concertación de Partidos por la Democracia), also known as the Concertación, is a coalition of center-left political parties in Chile, founded in 1988. Presidential candidates under its banner won every election from when military rule ended in 1990 until the conservative candidate Sebastián Piñera won the Chilean presidential election in 2010.
Contents

1 History
2 Criticism
3 Member parties
4 Original member parties
5 See also
6 External links

History

In 1987 General Augusto Pinochet, the de facto President of Chile, legalized political parties and called a plebiscite to determine whether or not he would remain in power. Several parties, including the Christian Democracy, the Socialist Party and the Radical Party, gathered in the Alianza Democrática (Democratic Alliance). In 1988, several more parties, including the Humanist Party, the Ecologist Party, the Social Democrats, and several Socialist Party splinter groups added their support, despite fears of election fraud by Pinochet, and the "Concertación de Partidos por el NO" ("Coalition of Parties for NO") was formed in an attempt to overthrow the General.

During the election campaign, the Coalition organized a colorful and cheerful campaign under the slogan "La alegría ya viene" ("Joy is coming"). Some Socialist factions were the last to join, because they were reluctant to work in the plebiscite, fearing election fraud by Pinochet. On October 5, 1988, the "NO" vote won with a 54% majority, and a general election was called for 1989.

In that year, the coalition changed their name to Concertación de Partidos por la Democracia ("Concert of Parties for Democracy") and put forward Patricio Aylwin, the Christian Democrat leader, as a presidential candidate, as well as launching a common list for the parliamentary elections. In elections the following year, Aylwin won and the coalition gained the majority of votes in the Chamber of Deputies. However, in Chile's bicameral parliament, they had no majority in the Senate, a situation they found themselves in constantly for over 15 years. This forced them to negotiate all law projects with the right-wing parties, the Unión Demócrata Independiente (UDI) and Renovación Nacional (RN) (later coalesced into the Alliance for Chile).

In 1993, the coalition put forward the Christian Democrat senator Eduardo Frei Ruiz-Tagle as a presidential candidate. Frei was the son of Eduardo Frei Montalva, the founder of the Christian Democrat Party and himself a former President of Chile (1964–1970). Gaining 57% of the votes, he defeated to the right-wing candidate, Arturo Alessandri Besa, becoming the third Christian Democrat president, and the second Coalition president.

In the same year, the Humanist Party, the Christian Left, and the Greens left the Coalition, accusing it of betraying the purpose for which it was born. The Social Democrat Party and the Radical Party joined together to form the Social Democrat Radical Party, while the various former Socialist factions became part of the Socialist Party.

Frei's government faced two main problems: an economic crisis was raising the unemployment rate, and General Pinochet had been arrested in London. Both situations led the Coalition to fear defeat in the 1999 presidential elections.

In that year, the coalition had two possible candidates: the Christian Democrats' Andrés Zaldívar and the Socialists' Ricardo Lagos. Primary elections were held to decide between the two. Lagos won the vote, and went on to defeat the UDI's Joaquín Lavín in the presidential election. However, since he got a plurality as opposed to a majority of the votes, a runoff vote was held, the first in Chilean history, in which Lagos won with 51% of the votes.

In 2005, two candidates were again proposed: the Christian Democrats' Soledad Alvear, a former Minister of Foreign Affairs, and the Socialists' Michelle Bachelet, a former Minister of Defense. As before, the situation was to be resolved through a primary election. However, in May 2005, after months of internal disputes regarding her party's directives, Alvear withdrew from the presidential race, deciding instead to run for senator in Santiago. Bachelet therefore became the Coalition's candidate, and the second woman to run for Chilean President (the first being Communist leader Gladys Marín), competing with the UDI's Joaquín Lavín and RN's Sebastián Piñera.

On December 11, 2005, Bachelet won with 45% of the votes, but was forced to compete with Piñera in a runoff election. In the same month, the coalition won 51.25% of the votes in the parliamentary elections, gaining 20 seats in the Senate and 65 seats in the Chamber of Deputies. This gave them a majority in both Houses for the first time.

On January 15, 2006, the runoff was held. Bachelet won with nearly the 54% of the votes, becoming the first female president of Chile. She was also the fourth Coalition candidate and third Socialist to win.
Criticism

Some critics claim large similarity with the Coalition for Change while others claim it to have done things poorly when it comes to reform in the system and dealing with national problems such as the Mapuche territorial claims, border limits dispute with its neighboring countries, health care system, educational system, and many other things since the end of the military regime in 1990. As well as other matters, it's currently been criticized by the majority of the population for the large support of HidroAysén.
Member parties

Christian Democrat Party (PDC)
Party for Democracy (PPD)
Socialist Party (PS)
Social Democrat Radical Party (PRSD)
 
Chile is a country not very different from Southern Europe(almost Southern Italy,Greece and Portugal):the PIL pro-capite in Southern Italy is not more highest than Chilean.
 
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Dear friends,in Italy there's a strange paradox:some deregulations were made by progressist cabinets,for example by Amato cabinet or Prodi cabinet and they were not made by conservator cabinets(Berlusconi cabinet,for example,that was a populist government).This is very different than Spain or France and more similar to Chile.
 
Dear friends,in Italy there's a strange paradox:some deregulations were made by progressist cabinets,for example by Amato cabinet or Prodi cabinet and they were not made by conservator cabinets(Berlusconi cabinet,for example,that was a populist government).This is very different than Spain or France and more similar to Chile.

My family is from Vicenza, Italy.

Italy should tell the ECB to fuck off if need be. The austerity being proposed will destroy the Italian economy. In my opinion, this 'European Project' is an utter fucking disaster. It seems like the ultimate goal is political union, because these technocrats in Brussels seem obsessed with a political union on the Continent.

Italy should go back on the Lira which would vastly improve its situation. They need an exit strategy. The Italian government could announce it would begin taxing in the lira exclusively, and that the state would make payments in the reintroduced lira. Also, the Italian government would have to proclaim a 'when and if' policy for Euro debt with no payment plans set in stone. This could get the ball rolling just off the top of my head.
 
Dear friends,in Italy there's a strange paradox:some deregulations were made by progressist cabinets,for example by Amato cabinet or Prodi cabinet and they were not made by conservator cabinets(Berlusconi cabinet,for example,that was a populist government).This is very different than Spain or France and more similar to Chile.

My family is from Vicenza, Italy.

Italy should tell the ECB to fuck off if need be. The austerity being proposed will destroy the Italian economy. In my opinion, this 'European Project' is an utter fucking disaster. It seems like the ultimate goal is political union, because these technocrats in Brussels seem obsessed with a political union on the Continent.

Italy should go back on the Lira which would vastly improve its situation. They need an exit strategy. The Italian government could announce it would begin taxing in the lira exclusively, and that the state would make payments in the reintroduced lira. Also, the Italian government would have to proclaim a 'when and if' policy for Euro debt with no payment plans set in stone. This could get the ball rolling just off the top of my head.
I disagree, it is not euro the guilt.In Italy the problems are much older than euro: corruption, public debt, bad public administration,populist governments as Berlusconi.The lira was the weakest value in Europe and would not be a solution:Certainly, the excessive austerity is wrong but the euro gave advantages to Italian economy.
 

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