It's Official Now......Democrats Support Crime

[2aguy]

You mean like when you called everyone that voted against Obama a racist bigoted?

Troll someone else loser.

Fact is the laws you are wanting like the Red Flag laws will be used by the LEO to target minorities more than the white community and you know this troll and know what you are wanting to pass will be another tool you will whine about..

I did?

Please quote me where I did that.

You love calling anyone that you disagree with a racist:

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You use the race card when it suits you to just end your argument and run away...

Also what is it with this " You guys " nonsense?

I did not vote for Trump and I know anyone that did not vote for your Queen is the enemy but reality I am not a fan of Trump but I love mocking those like you!

So again why do you support laws that will target minorities if passed?

Hmmm…I used the word racist quite a bit. True. Of course the discussions were usually about race at the time, not red flag laws.

I doubt I ever called “anyone who voted against Obama” a racist though. As your lack of proof supports.

I did say that the root of you guy’s birther movement was racism simply because he’s a black man with a funny name and you guys didn’t care about birth certificates before and haven’t cared since.

I did say that the root of you guy’s birther movement was racism simply because he’s a black

Was the same Birther movement about John McCain racist?

There was a birther movement about McCain? I’m
Not sure, where was McCain born according to his BC?

The Panama Canal Zone you moron.....and the democrats tried to make an issue of that during the actual election.

 

[candycorn]

I did?

Please quote me where I did that.

You love calling anyone that you disagree with a racist:

Search Results for Query: Racists | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

You use the race card when it suits you to just end your argument and run away...

Also what is it with this " You guys " nonsense?

I did not vote for Trump and I know anyone that did not vote for your Queen is the enemy but reality I am not a fan of Trump but I love mocking those like you!

So again why do you support laws that will target minorities if passed?

Hmmm…I used the word racist quite a bit. True. Of course the discussions were usually about race at the time, not red flag laws.

I doubt I ever called “anyone who voted against Obama” a racist though. As your lack of proof supports.

I did say that the root of you guy’s birther movement was racism simply because he’s a black man with a funny name and you guys didn’t care about birth certificates before and haven’t cared since.

I did say that the root of you guy’s birther movement was racism simply because he’s a black

Was the same Birther movement about John McCain racist?

There was a birther movement about McCain? I’m
Not sure, where was McCain born according to his BC?

The Panama Canal Zone you moron.....and the democrats tried to make an issue of that during the actual election.

So he wasn’t born in the US?

Not seeing your racist angle on this but …whatever.

 

[2aguy]

You love calling anyone that you disagree with a racist:

Search Results for Query: Racists | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

You use the race card when it suits you to just end your argument and run away...

Also what is it with this " You guys " nonsense?

I did not vote for Trump and I know anyone that did not vote for your Queen is the enemy but reality I am not a fan of Trump but I love mocking those like you!

So again why do you support laws that will target minorities if passed?

Hmmm…I used the word racist quite a bit. True. Of course the discussions were usually about race at the time, not red flag laws.

I doubt I ever called “anyone who voted against Obama” a racist though. As your lack of proof supports.

I did say that the root of you guy’s birther movement was racism simply because he’s a black man with a funny name and you guys didn’t care about birth certificates before and haven’t cared since.

I did say that the root of you guy’s birther movement was racism simply because he’s a black

Was the same Birther movement about John McCain racist?

There was a birther movement about McCain? I’m
Not sure, where was McCain born according to his BC?

The Panama Canal Zone you moron.....and the democrats tried to make an issue of that during the actual election.

So he wasn’t born in the US?

Not seeing your racist angle on this but …whatever.

The Birther movement wasn't racist either...... they believed, wrongly, that he was born outside of the U.S. and that would make him ineligible for the office...but his mother was still an American, making him one..... it wasn't racist, it was legal.

 

[ABikerSailor]

The Birther movement wasn't racist either...... they believed, wrongly, that he was born outside of the U.S. and that would make him ineligible for the office...but his mother was still an American, making him one..... it wasn't racist, it was legal.

Obama's mother was also an American citizen, which would mean that Obama was eligible to be president, no matter where he was born (btw, he was born in Hawaii, a US state), but that didn't stop you conservatives from claiming Obama was not eligible to be president.

 

[wamose]

That's why they support illegal aliens and voting for felons. Democrats always go after the poorest and least educated who can be exploited

 

[candycorn]

Hmmm…I used the word racist quite a bit. True. Of course the discussions were usually about race at the time, not red flag laws.

I doubt I ever called “anyone who voted against Obama” a racist though. As your lack of proof supports.

I did say that the root of you guy’s birther movement was racism simply because he’s a black man with a funny name and you guys didn’t care about birth certificates before and haven’t cared since.

I did say that the root of you guy’s birther movement was racism simply because he’s a black

Was the same Birther movement about John McCain racist?

There was a birther movement about McCain? I’m
Not sure, where was McCain born according to his BC?

The Panama Canal Zone you moron.....and the democrats tried to make an issue of that during the actual election.

So he wasn’t born in the US?

Not seeing your racist angle on this but …whatever.

The Birther movement wasn't racist either...... they believed, wrongly, that he was born outside of the U.S. and that would make him ineligible for the office...but his mother was still an American, making him one..... it wasn't racist, it was legal.

Funny how those concerns were never brought up until we had a black nominee.

 

[wamose]

Hmmm…I used the word racist quite a bit. True. Of course the discussions were usually about race at the time, not red flag laws.

I doubt I ever called “anyone who voted against Obama” a racist though. As your lack of proof supports.

I did say that the root of you guy’s birther movement was racism simply because he’s a black man with a funny name and you guys didn’t care about birth certificates before and haven’t cared since.

I did say that the root of you guy’s birther movement was racism simply because he’s a black

Was the same Birther movement about John McCain racist?

There was a birther movement about McCain? I’m
Not sure, where was McCain born according to his BC?

The Panama Canal Zone you moron.....and the democrats tried to make an issue of that during the actual election.

So he wasn’t born in the US?

Not seeing your racist angle on this but …whatever.

The Birther movement wasn't racist either...... they believed, wrongly, that he was born outside of the U.S. and that would make him ineligible for the office...but his mother was still an American, making him one..... it wasn't racist, it was legal.

The way you're talking, Obama was the son of an international ho. And who am I to object?

 

[2aguy]

I did say that the root of you guy’s birther movement was racism simply because he’s a black

Was the same Birther movement about John McCain racist?

There was a birther movement about McCain? I’m
Not sure, where was McCain born according to his BC?

The Panama Canal Zone you moron.....and the democrats tried to make an issue of that during the actual election.

So he wasn’t born in the US?

Not seeing your racist angle on this but …whatever.

The Birther movement wasn't racist either...... they believed, wrongly, that he was born outside of the U.S. and that would make him ineligible for the office...but his mother was still an American, making him one..... it wasn't racist, it was legal.

Funny how those concerns were never brought up until we had a black nominee.

What part of questioning McCain's status did you refuse to understand?

 

[2aguy]

The Birther movement wasn't racist either...... they believed, wrongly, that he was born outside of the U.S. and that would make him ineligible for the office...but his mother was still an American, making him one..... it wasn't racist, it was legal.

Obama's mother was also an American citizen, which would mean that Obama was eligible to be president, no matter where he was born (btw, he was born in Hawaii, a US state), but that didn't stop you conservatives from claiming Obama was not eligible to be president.

No....moron......that didn't stop some who don't understand the Constitution, you moron....and that has to do with the democrats running the education system...you dope. But educated morons did try to use McCain's birth in the Panama Canal against him and both parents are American Citizens.....you moron.

 

[JoeB131]

If Democrats were serious about using red flag laws to keep guns out if the hands of people who might use them to senselessly murder others and therefore are danger to society, and not just as a gun-control tool to disarm law-abiding citizens, then why did they kill an attempt to use compiled lists of known gang members, which many police departments and law enforcement agencies possess?

Because those lists are notoriously wrong.

Chicago’s Inspector General Finds the City’s Gang Database Is Riddled With Errors — ProPublica

Gang data collected by the Chicago Police Department has been accessed more than 1 million times over the last decade by immigration officials, the FBI, the Chicago Public Schools and scores of other agencies.

Yet the Police Department has done little to make sure the information is accurate and has no clear rules for how it can used by those outside entities, according to a 159-page report released Thursday morning by the office of Joe Ferguson, Chicago’s inspector general.

The department’s failure to ensure the accuracy or fairness of its gang database, Ferguson concluded, has caused lasting damage. In lawsuits and at public hearings, dozens of people have reported being targeted by federal immigration enforcement or losing out on job opportunities after being wrongly included in the database.

 

[2aguy]

If Democrats were serious about using red flag laws to keep guns out if the hands of people who might use them to senselessly murder others and therefore are danger to society, and not just as a gun-control tool to disarm law-abiding citizens, then why did they kill an attempt to use compiled lists of known gang members, which many police departments and law enforcement agencies possess?

Because those lists are notoriously wrong.

Chicago’s Inspector General Finds the City’s Gang Database Is Riddled With Errors — ProPublica

Gang data collected by the Chicago Police Department has been accessed more than 1 million times over the last decade by immigration officials, the FBI, the Chicago Public Schools and scores of other agencies.

Yet the Police Department has done little to make sure the information is accurate and has no clear rules for how it can used by those outside entities, according to a 159-page report released Thursday morning by the office of Joe Ferguson, Chicago’s inspector general.

The department’s failure to ensure the accuracy or fairness of its gang database, Ferguson concluded, has caused lasting damage. In lawsuits and at public hearings, dozens of people have reported being targeted by federal immigration enforcement or losing out on job opportunities after being wrongly included in the database.

Wow.....and you don't think the very same data base for normal gun owners wouldn't even be worse...and they don't even start out with a criminal background...

you really are nuts.

You go to bat for actual criminals who actually use guns to commit rape, robbery and murder and instead focus all of your hate for normal people who own guns for self defense and do not use them for any type of crime...

You are insane.

 

[mudwhistle]

If Democrats were serious about using red flag laws to keep guns out if the hands of people who might use them to senselessly murder others and therefore are danger to society, and not just as a gun-control tool to disarm law-abiding citizens, then why did they kill an attempt to use compiled lists of known gang members, which many police departments and law enforcement agencies possess?

Because those lists are notoriously wrong.

Chicago’s Inspector General Finds the City’s Gang Database Is Riddled With Errors — ProPublica

Gang data collected by the Chicago Police Department has been accessed more than 1 million times over the last decade by immigration officials, the FBI, the Chicago Public Schools and scores of other agencies.

Yet the Police Department has done little to make sure the information is accurate and has no clear rules for how it can used by those outside entities, according to a 159-page report released Thursday morning by the office of Joe Ferguson, Chicago’s inspector general.

The department’s failure to ensure the accuracy or fairness of its gang database, Ferguson concluded, has caused lasting damage. In lawsuits and at public hearings, dozens of people have reported being targeted by federal immigration enforcement or losing out on job opportunities after being wrongly included in the database.

Wow.....and you don't think the very same data base for normal gun owners wouldn't even be worse...and they don't even start out with a criminal background...

you really are nuts.

You go to bat for actual criminals who actually use guns to commit rape, robbery and murder and instead focus all of your hate for normal people who own guns for self defense and do not use them for any type of crime...

You are insane.

No..... Not insane.....just a socialist

 

[2aguy]

If Democrats were serious about using red flag laws to keep guns out if the hands of people who might use them to senselessly murder others and therefore are danger to society, and not just as a gun-control tool to disarm law-abiding citizens, then why did they kill an attempt to use compiled lists of known gang members, which many police departments and law enforcement agencies possess?

Because those lists are notoriously wrong.

Chicago’s Inspector General Finds the City’s Gang Database Is Riddled With Errors — ProPublica

Gang data collected by the Chicago Police Department has been accessed more than 1 million times over the last decade by immigration officials, the FBI, the Chicago Public Schools and scores of other agencies.

Yet the Police Department has done little to make sure the information is accurate and has no clear rules for how it can used by those outside entities, according to a 159-page report released Thursday morning by the office of Joe Ferguson, Chicago’s inspector general.

The department’s failure to ensure the accuracy or fairness of its gang database, Ferguson concluded, has caused lasting damage. In lawsuits and at public hearings, dozens of people have reported being targeted by federal immigration enforcement or losing out on job opportunities after being wrongly included in the database.

Wow.....and you don't think the very same data base for normal gun owners wouldn't even be worse...and they don't even start out with a criminal background...

you really are nuts.

You go to bat for actual criminals who actually use guns to commit rape, robbery and murder and instead focus all of your hate for normal people who own guns for self defense and do not use them for any type of crime...

You are insane.

No..... Not insane.....just a socialist

I would argue that at a certain point, they are one and the same.... a young person being a socialist can be attributed to lack of wisdom and experience....which they can acquire as they grow older.....and older adult who is a socialist is insane....

 

[mudwhistle]

If Democrats were serious about using red flag laws to keep guns out if the hands of people who might use them to senselessly murder others and therefore are danger to society, and not just as a gun-control tool to disarm law-abiding citizens, then why did they kill an attempt to use compiled lists of known gang members, which many police departments and law enforcement agencies possess?

Because those lists are notoriously wrong.

Chicago’s Inspector General Finds the City’s Gang Database Is Riddled With Errors — ProPublica

Gang data collected by the Chicago Police Department has been accessed more than 1 million times over the last decade by immigration officials, the FBI, the Chicago Public Schools and scores of other agencies.

Yet the Police Department has done little to make sure the information is accurate and has no clear rules for how it can used by those outside entities, according to a 159-page report released Thursday morning by the office of Joe Ferguson, Chicago’s inspector general.

The department’s failure to ensure the accuracy or fairness of its gang database, Ferguson concluded, has caused lasting damage. In lawsuits and at public hearings, dozens of people have reported being targeted by federal immigration enforcement or losing out on job opportunities after being wrongly included in the database.

Wow.....and you don't think the very same data base for normal gun owners wouldn't even be worse...and they don't even start out with a criminal background...

you really are nuts.

You go to bat for actual criminals who actually use guns to commit rape, robbery and murder and instead focus all of your hate for normal people who own guns for self defense and do not use them for any type of crime...

You are insane.

No..... Not insane.....just a socialist

I would argue that at a certain point, they are one and the same.... a young person being a socialist can be attributed to lack of wisdom and experience....which they can acquire as they grow older.....and older adult who is a socialist is insane....

Not if they're a politician.

Socialist politicians never have to adhere to their own policies

 

[JoeB131]

Wow.....and you don't think the very same data base for normal gun owners wouldn't even be worse...and they don't even start out with a criminal background...

you really are nuts.

You go to bat for actual criminals who actually use guns to commit rape, robbery and murder and instead focus all of your hate for normal people who own guns for self defense and do not use them for any type of crime...

You are insane.

again, you "Normal" people. (Sorry someone who talks about guns all the fucking time isn't normal) are responsible for most of the gun violence...

The thing is, a red flag law is exactly that. Someone in your life thought you were acting all crazy and they take your guns away. I can see why you would be terrified of this... if you are ten percent of the nut IRL that you are here, the whole neighborhood must be terrified...

So how many of your neighbors are going to break bad on you and drop a dime on you when a Red Flag law happens.

 

[2aguy]

Wow.....and you don't think the very same data base for normal gun owners wouldn't even be worse...and they don't even start out with a criminal background...

you really are nuts.

You go to bat for actual criminals who actually use guns to commit rape, robbery and murder and instead focus all of your hate for normal people who own guns for self defense and do not use them for any type of crime...

You are insane.

again, you "Normal" people. (Sorry someone who talks about guns all the fucking time isn't normal) are responsible for most of the gun violence...

The thing is, a red flag law is exactly that. Someone in your life thought you were acting all crazy and they take your guns away. I can see why you would be terrified of this... if you are ten percent of the nut IRL that you are here, the whole neighborhood must be terrified...

So how many of your neighbors are going to break bad on you and drop a dime on you when a Red Flag law happens.

again, you "Normal" people

Wrong...normal people don't do anything related to gun crime.....

The Criminology of Firearms


In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."

 

[2aguy]

Wow.....and you don't think the very same data base for normal gun owners wouldn't even be worse...and they don't even start out with a criminal background...

you really are nuts.

You go to bat for actual criminals who actually use guns to commit rape, robbery and murder and instead focus all of your hate for normal people who own guns for self defense and do not use them for any type of crime...

You are insane.

again, you "Normal" people. (Sorry someone who talks about guns all the fucking time isn't normal) are responsible for most of the gun violence...

The thing is, a red flag law is exactly that. Someone in your life thought you were acting all crazy and they take your guns away. I can see why you would be terrified of this... if you are ten percent of the nut IRL that you are here, the whole neighborhood must be terrified...

So how many of your neighbors are going to break bad on you and drop a dime on you when a Red Flag law happens.

I'm worried about you joe........when the police see your "girlfriend" and you start calling them names and accuse them of killing minorities for sport and fun......do you know what the "Booking Room Two Step," is? You will....

 

[JoeB131]

again, you "Normal" people

Wrong...normal people don't do anything related to gun crime.....

Most people are murdered by their friends, family or lovers... This is the logic of a Red Flag Law. If someone close to you is scared, they should take your gun.

Not because the CPD put your name on the list because it ended in a Z.

 

[2aguy]

again, you "Normal" people

Wrong...normal people don't do anything related to gun crime.....

Most people are murdered by their friends, family or lovers... This is the logic of a Red Flag Law. If someone close to you is scared, they should take your gun.

Not because the CPD put your name on the list because it ended in a Z.

Yes.....because, as that link shows......their friends are career criminals or people with histories of violence, they are not normal.

If the logic of Red Flag Laws is to Flag dangerous people, then gang members should be on a list and routinely searched for weapons...since they have already been convicted of crimes in the past often gun crimes.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes.....because, as that link shows......their friends are career criminals or people with histories of violence, they are not normal.

If the logic of Red Flag Laws is to Flag dangerous people, then gang members should be on a list and routinely searched for weapons...since they have already been convicted of crimes in the past often gun crimes.

Silly Darkie... RIGHTS ARE FOR WHITE PEOPLE.

When the CPD can accurately tell me who is in a gang, I'd be all for it.

Right now, the CPD can't figure out who killed 87% of the people who are murdered in this city. Not to worry, though, they proved Jussie Smollet beat himself up.

But if Mrs. Gunnut tells me that her husband is nuts and is going to do something, that's a good reason to take his guns.