It’s Time for an Outright Ban on the Promotion of Atheism.

[AsherN]

Well, shoot. I could say a day old infant isn't as viable as a human adult. Does that mean the infant isn't alive?

A day old infant is viable. Do you even know what viable outside the womb means?

 

[Mashmont]

The USSC has not recognized atheism as a religion, as it will not recognize religion. it has afforded non-religious groups the same 1st ammendent rights as religious organization.

The Supreme Court has recognized atheism as equivalent to a “religion” for purposes of the First Amendment on numerous occasions, most recently in McCreary County, Ky. v. American Civil Liberties Union of Ky., 545U.S. 844, 125 S.Ct. 2722, 162 L.Ed.2d 729 (2005).  

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Extremely happy about that. Now atheism will have to compete head-to-head with Christianity, a competition atheism cannot win.

 

[there4eyeM]

Things that go against the teaching of Jesus.

Such as calling leaders "father"?

 

[Mashmont]

A day old infant is viable. Do you even know what viable outside the womb means?

Leave a day old unattended for a couple of days. See how things work out. Pro-abortionists want to pick and choose arbitrary markers to justify killing the baby. It's all an effort to cloud the debate. It's all made up.

 

[surada]

Such as calling leaders "father"?

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[Flopper]

That's why, if pressed, I believe the government should be in alignment with Catholic teaching. Mainline protestantism has just gone off the rails in the past decade, as if God suddenly changed His mind on gay marriage.

So the government should align itself with a religion of which only 23%of Americans are members. Do you realize how nutty your proposals are?

 

[AsherN]

The Supreme Court has recognized atheism as equivalent to a “religion” for purposes of the First Amendment on numerous occasions, most recently in McCreary County, Ky. v. American Civil Liberties Union of Ky., 545U.S. 844, 125 S.Ct. 2722, 162 L.Ed.2d 729 (2005).  

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Extremely happy about that. Now atheism will have to compete head-to-head with Christianity, a competition atheism cannot win.

Do you truly not understand what you are linking to? The USSC has ruled that for the purpose of protecting speech, atheism is to be treated equivalent to a religion, afforded the same 1st amendment rights. It by no stretch of the imagination means that the USSC recognizes atheism as a religion. AAMOF, no one actually recognizes what is a religion. The IRS has criteria that an organization must meet to be treated like a religious org., but does not make a judgement as to whether the org. is actually a religion or not. That's as close as you'll get.

 

[surada]

Is It Sinful to Call Someone “Father” Besides God?

Some argue that the Bible is contradictory concerning whether it is sinful to call someone “father” who is not God. The argument is that Matthew 23:8-10 says that we should not call anyone on earth “father,” while other passages, such as Exodus 20:12, tell us to refer to our earthly fathers as...

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[Faun]

Give it a try. You can do it.

Ok, fine.

Leviticus 20:22

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.​

... is that what you're talking about?

 

[Mashmont]

And not nearly as much today. And if you are trying to make a point that knowing of Jesus' existence magically makes someone become a Xtian, you are sadly mistaken. I grew up in Catholic school. I am still a Jew. I'm more religious than my parents were. I also know a good number of Xtians who converted to Judaism.

Jesus teaching is such advanced science, that we don't know what we don't know. It would be equivalent of teaching calculus to a gnat.
It's funny. Man talks about money and achievement and power. Jesus talks about humility and charity and love. Not even on the same page, the same book, or the same universe. Yet atheist man, who can't get to even the nearest planet in a perhaps infinite universe, purports to know more about 'science' than God who made it all.

The unearned unmerited hubris of worldy man is astounding.

 

[AsherN]

Leave a day old unattended for a couple of days. See how things work out. Pro-abortionists want to pick and choose arbitrary markers to justify killing the baby. It's all an effort to cloud the debate. It's all made up.

That is not what viable outside the womb means. it means that with normal care, it will survive. Right now, viability is accepted as 22 weeks. But the further back from full term, the greater the chances that a number of things will not be fully developed, leading to massive health issues as the infant grows.

 

[Mashmont]

Do you truly not understand what you are linking to? The USSC has ruled that for the purpose of protecting speech, atheism is to be treated equivalent to a religion, afforded the same 1st amendment rights. It by no stretch of the imagination means that the USSC recognizes atheism as a religion. AAMOF, no one actually recognizes what is a religion. The IRS has criteria that an organization must meet to be treated like a religious org., but does not make a judgement as to whether the org. is actually a religion or not. That's as close as you'll get.

So you don't think atheism is a religion. That's fine. The USSC ruling is the only ruling we need to get this ideology removed from the government sphere, which the goal.

Such a self-proclaimed devout Jew defending government-sponsored atheism to the end. Rather odd.

 

[there4eyeM]

Telling us that Jesus didn't mean what he said is telling us not to believe Jesus.

 

[AsherN]

Jesus teaching is such advanced science, that we don't know what we don't know. It would be equivalent of teaching calculus to a gnat.
It's funny. Man talks about money and achievement and power. Jesus talks about humility and charity and love. Not even on the same page, the same book, or the same universe. Yet atheist man, who can't get to even the nearest planet in a perhaps infinite universe, purports to know more about 'science' than God who made it all.

The unearned unmerited hubris of worldy man is astounding.

Jesus's purported teachings are not science. And if you read them carefully, and study the accounts of his supposed life, were he to come back, he would be appalled at the people who supposedely follow him, especially their politics. According the the accounts, he would have been a radical, socialist anti-establishment guy.

 

[AsherN]

So you don't think atheism is a religion. That's fine. The USSC ruling is the only ruling we need to get this ideology removed from the government sphere, which the goal.

Such a self-proclaimed devout Jew defending government-sponsored atheism to the end. Rather odd.

The USSC does not declare atheism a religion. It grants atheists the same 1st Ammendments rights as religious groups.

There is nothing odd in my stance. i want to government to be non-religious. because history has shown the my people don't do well under theocracies.

 

[Mashmont]

The USSC does not declare atheism a religion. It grants atheists the same 1st Ammendments rights as religious groups.

There is nothing odd in my stance. i want to government to be non-religious. because history has shown the my people don't do well under theocracies.

How have they done under atheist communist regimes? I also notice you have to say 'theocracies' so you can try to lump violent Islam in with Christianity.

 

[there4eyeM]

The "world" is materialistic. Capitalism and Marxism are materialist. Religious institutions and churches are material. The message of Jesus teaches that the material is not what is important. It is entirely possible to believe in that message and avoid conflict with materialists and all others.

 

[Faun]

Ok, fine.

Leviticus 20:22

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.​

... is that what you're talking about?

<yet more crickets>

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[AsherN]

How have they done under atheist communist regimes? I also notice you have to say 'theocracies' so you can try to lump violent Islam in with Christianity.

All theocracies. We did not do so well in Inquisition Spain. or Xtian Medieval Europe. Even Germany's hatred was based on Xtian teachings.

So yes, I want a neutral gov. And as you can see in your multiple threads, when Americans are asked about living under a Xtian theocracy, more so under a particular sect of Xtianity that is not their own, they rightfully balk. I would not be surprised that a majority of Catholics would reject your proposals as well.

 

[Mashmont]

So the government should align itself with a religion of which only 23%of Americans are members. Do you realize how nutty your proposals are?

It's not nutty at all to align our government with the perfect teachings of Jesus. In fact, I can't imagine a better thing one could do for people. What is REALLY nutty is allowing our country to continue to push and endorse atheist laws, an objective none of our Constitutional framers intended,