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Good point. Then allow every state that has a non-partisan districting group to give EV by districts.
In a vacuum, I think it would be the most democratic way of awarding EVs. Except that the States have gotten so brazenly partisan about the way they draw the districts, you do not get a true representation of the voter’s intent.
Good point. Then allow every state that has a non-partisan districting group to give EV by districts.
In a vacuum, I think it would be the most democratic way of awarding EVs. Except that the States have gotten so brazenly partisan about the way they draw the districts, you do not get a true representation of the voter’s intent.
Why not go with the nationwide popular vote?
Good point. Then allow every state that has a non-partisan districting group to give EV by districts.
In a vacuum, I think it would be the most democratic way of awarding EVs. Except that the States have gotten so brazenly partisan about the way they draw the districts, you do not get a true representation of the voter’s intent.
Partisanship is prevalent in any and all persons….nobody has clean hands and having a committee means that you just have more competing interests at the heart of the matter.
No.
The most democratic way to do it is this. The Post Office has never been political. If your ZIP code is 12345, it is because it is what worked best for the Post Office. Nothing else. If you make $18,000 a year, you may have the same zip code as someone who makes $18,000 a month. If you are a democrat, you may have the same zip code as someone who is a staunch republican, green partier, commie, fascist, etc… It makes no difference to the PO.
So utilizing this thoroughly mathematical formula they have come up with to section people, apply Census bureau data to the zip codes and come up with the formula for awarding districts. Just so the math is easier to understand, lets say you have a state that has 12 EVs….10 Congressional districts. In that state, lets say there are 1000 ZIP codes. Use the Census bureau to divide the 1000 ZIP codes into 10 income “bands”. Band A is the ultra rich, Band B is the super rich, Band C is the rich, Band D is the upper MC, Band E is the MC…etc… So you have 100 ZIP codes per band.
And, once you’ve done that, have a computer or lottery system or whatever, award the zip codes to where each congressional district gets 10 A’s, 10 B’s, 10 C’s, 10 D’s, etc… So you have a mix of all economic classes in your district, and you’ll end up with a mix of all cultural and racial classes as well.
In most places, the math won’t be as hard as the example. There are only 43,000 ZIP codes in the entire nation so there will be far fewer than 1,000 in most states. In states that have one Congressional District, the math is super easy in fact.
The point is to get the districts to represent the whole of the people present in the State…not just the people who agree with one party or the other.
I still think the winning position is to simply make sure the President Elect wins both the Electoral Vote and the Popular Vote. I have heard no effective argument to the contrary.
By gerrymandered congressional districts? Are you mental?
Why not go with the nationwide popular vote?
For the reason we didn't do it in the first place. To avoid tyranny of the majority
Districts must be integrally consistent and contained.
Why not go with the nationwide popular vote?
For the reason we didn't do it in the first place. To avoid tyranny of the majority
Good point. Then allow every state that has a non-partisan districting group to give EV by districts.
In a vacuum, I think it would be the most democratic way of awarding EVs. Except that the States have gotten so brazenly partisan about the way they draw the districts, you do not get a true representation of the voter’s intent.
Partisanship is prevalent in any and all persons….nobody has clean hands and having a committee means that you just have more competing interests at the heart of the matter.
No.
The most democratic way to do it is this. The Post Office has never been political. If your ZIP code is 12345, it is because it is what worked best for the Post Office. Nothing else. If you make $18,000 a year, you may have the same zip code as someone who makes $18,000 a month. If you are a democrat, you may have the same zip code as someone who is a staunch republican, green partier, commie, fascist, etc… It makes no difference to the PO.
So utilizing this thoroughly mathematical formula they have come up with to section people, apply Census bureau data to the zip codes and come up with the formula for awarding districts. Just so the math is easier to understand, lets say you have a state that has 12 EVs….10 Congressional districts. In that state, lets say there are 1000 ZIP codes. Use the Census bureau to divide the 1000 ZIP codes into 10 income “bands”. Band A is the ultra rich, Band B is the super rich, Band C is the rich, Band D is the upper MC, Band E is the MC…etc… So you have 100 ZIP codes per band.
And, once you’ve done that, have a computer or lottery system or whatever, award the zip codes to where each congressional district gets 10 A’s, 10 B’s, 10 C’s, 10 D’s, etc… So you have a mix of all economic classes in your district, and you’ll end up with a mix of all cultural and racial classes as well.
In most places, the math won’t be as hard as the example. There are only 43,000 ZIP codes in the entire nation so there will be far fewer than 1,000 in most states. In states that have one Congressional District, the math is super easy in fact.
The point is to get the districts to represent the whole of the people present in the State…not just the people who agree with one party or the other.
I still think the winning position is to simply make sure the President Elect wins both the Electoral Vote and the Popular Vote. I have heard no effective argument to the contrary.
That would require non-continuous congressional districts, and in larger states you would have the chance of people being represented by a guy who's office is 150 miles away from 1/2 his constituents.
Districts must be integrally consistent and contained.
Good point. Then allow every state that has a non-partisan districting group to give EV by districts.
In a vacuum, I think it would be the most democratic way of awarding EVs. Except that the States have gotten so brazenly partisan about the way they draw the districts, you do not get a true representation of the voter’s intent.
Partisanship is prevalent in any and all persons….nobody has clean hands and having a committee means that you just have more competing interests at the heart of the matter.
No.
The most democratic way to do it is this. The Post Office has never been political. If your ZIP code is 12345, it is because it is what worked best for the Post Office. Nothing else. If you make $18,000 a year, you may have the same zip code as someone who makes $18,000 a month. If you are a democrat, you may have the same zip code as someone who is a staunch republican, green partier, commie, fascist, etc… It makes no difference to the PO.
So utilizing this thoroughly mathematical formula they have come up with to section people, apply Census bureau data to the zip codes and come up with the formula for awarding districts. Just so the math is easier to understand, lets say you have a state that has 12 EVs….10 Congressional districts. In that state, lets say there are 1000 ZIP codes. Use the Census bureau to divide the 1000 ZIP codes into 10 income “bands”. Band A is the ultra rich, Band B is the super rich, Band C is the rich, Band D is the upper MC, Band E is the MC…etc… So you have 100 ZIP codes per band.
And, once you’ve done that, have a computer or lottery system or whatever, award the zip codes to where each congressional district gets 10 A’s, 10 B’s, 10 C’s, 10 D’s, etc… So you have a mix of all economic classes in your district, and you’ll end up with a mix of all cultural and racial classes as well.
In most places, the math won’t be as hard as the example. There are only 43,000 ZIP codes in the entire nation so there will be far fewer than 1,000 in most states. In states that have one Congressional District, the math is super easy in fact.
The point is to get the districts to represent the whole of the people present in the State…not just the people who agree with one party or the other.
I still think the winning position is to simply make sure the President Elect wins both the Electoral Vote and the Popular Vote. I have heard no effective argument to the contrary.
That would require non-continuous congressional districts, and in larger states you would have the chance of people being represented by a guy who's office is 150 miles away from 1/2 his constituents.
The current system has the same sad state of affairs. The Texas 23rd has suburban San Antonio and Suburban El-Paso. Two towns that are about 600 miles apart!
In some districts the only thing that makes them contiguous is that a single street…. Having contiguous districts means very little outside of some mysterious mandate that they be contiguous.
America’s most gerrymandered congressional districts
Why not go with the nationwide popular vote?
For the reason we didn't do it in the first place. To avoid tyranny of the majority
It's one third of the government. States have Senate. Jerrymandered districts get the House. The people get the Presidency Not going to happen of course, just a topic to counter the district electors idea.
Why not go with the nationwide popular vote?
For the reason we didn't do it in the first place. To avoid tyranny of the majority
It's one third of the government. States have Senate. Jerrymandered districts get the House. The people get the Presidency Not going to happen of course, just a topic to counter the district electors idea.
How many times did you whine about Gerrymandered districts when they benefited Democrats, which was most of my life? BTW, it's "Gerrymandered," Gerry was a former governor of Massachussetts
Why not go with the nationwide popular vote?
For the reason we didn't do it in the first place. To avoid tyranny of the majority
It's one third of the government. States have Senate. Jerrymandered districts get the House. The people get the Presidency Not going to happen of course, just a topic to counter the district electors idea.
How many times did you whine about Gerrymandered districts when they benefited Democrats, which was most of my life? BTW, it's "Gerrymandered," Gerry was a former governor of Massachussetts
Why not go with the nationwide popular vote?
For the reason we didn't do it in the first place. To avoid tyranny of the majority
It's one third of the government. States have Senate. Jerrymandered districts get the House. The people get the Presidency Not going to happen of course, just a topic to counter the district electors idea.
How many times did you whine about Gerrymandered districts when they benefited Democrats, which was most of my life? BTW, it's "Gerrymandered," Gerry was a former governor of Massachussetts
I specifically didn't mention Democrats or Republicans at all. Just the manipulated districts as a reality of today.
Why not go with the nationwide popular vote?
For the reason we didn't do it in the first place. To avoid tyranny of the majority
That does not mean that the EC favors them. They may gain ground in that manner but they lose it when ten million voters in CA get counted for the democrat candidate but would vote for the republican one.It's crazy because the EC already favors them. They have multiple states that are just empty land, but still get the minimum 3 EV's even though their population doesn't warrant it.I was wondering when we’d get our first crybaby thread about the EC.
The winning position is that you make it to where the President-elect would have to win both the majority of EV and the plurality of the PV. We can’t get rid of the EC all together because people would only campaign in the large cities. Congressional districts would also be a stupid idea given how the media is dominant over a region. However, in this day and age of being able to tally votes within days if not hours…it makes no sense to ignore the popular vote any longer.
The real loss for both sides really is not counted anyway - it is the number of voters that do not participate because their vote is already decided - those voters in CA and WA that are tallied for democrats have many republicans that do not even bother just as there are many democrats that likely don't bother in TX as they are going to be tallied for the republican. I think there would be some surprising changes to the voter map if we actually started counting popular votes rather than using the EC.
