James Madison's Nightmare.

[eagle1462010]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

 

[eagle1462010]

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

By a faction, I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.

There are two methods of curing the mischiefs of faction: the one, by removing its causes; the other, by controlling its effects.

There are again two methods of removing the causes of faction: the one, by destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence; the other, by giving to every citizen the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests.

It could never be more truly said than of the first remedy, that it was worse than the disease. Liberty is to faction what air is to fire, an aliment without which it instantly expires. But it could not be less folly to abolish liberty, which is essential to political life, because it nourishes faction, than it would be to wish the annihilation of air, which is essential to animal life, because it imparts to fire its destructive agency.

The second expedient is as impracticable as the first would be unwise. As long as the reason of man continues fallible, and he is at liberty to exercise it, different opinions will be formed. As long as the connection subsists between his reason and his self-love, his opinions and his passions will have a reciprocal influence on each other; and the former will be objects to which the latter will attach themselves. The diversity in the faculties of men, from which the rights of property originate, is not less an insuperable obstacle to a uniformity of interests. The protection of these faculties is the first object of government. From the protection of different and unequal faculties of acquiring property, the possession of different degrees and kinds of property immediately results; and from the influence of these on the sentiments and views of the respective proprietors, ensues a division of the society into different interests and parties.

 

[bendog]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

I agree in theory, but we probably disagree who rules by a mob.

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[eagle1462010]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

I agree in theory, but we probably disagree who rules by a mob.

Which is why they created a Republic and not a pure democracy........

So I can't shove my views down your throat.......and you can't do it to me.

Now tell me about the Far Left...........hmmmm.......They all the time create legislation to shove their views down others throats.......and they want to do it to the country.

They want a pure Democracy.........which is the MOB.

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[bendog]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

I agree in theory, but we probably disagree who rules by a mob.

Which is why they created a Republic and not a pure democracy........

So I can't shove my views down your throat.......and you can't do it to me.

Now tell me about the Far Left...........hmmmm.......They all the time create legislation to shove their views down others throats.......and they want to do it to the country.

They want a pure Democracy.........which is the MOB.

Trump was elected by a minority, and the Senate actually lost gop seats, yet the gop passed two tax cuts. Please don't tell me about representative govt and sprits of compromise.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Present Status of Civil Service Reform

The government cannot endure permanently if administered on a spoils basis. If this form of corruption is permitted and encouraged, other forms of corruption will inevitably follow in its train. When a department at Washington, or at a state capitol, or in the city hall in some big town is thronged with place-hunters and office-mongers who seek and dispense patronage from considerations of personal and party greed, the tone of public life is necessarily so lowered that the bribe-taker and the bribe-giver, the blackmailer and the corruptionist, find their places ready prepared for them.

 

[bendog]

good people for Trump

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polop...rticle_750/article-charlottesville-4-0811.jpg

 

[eagle1462010]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

I agree in theory, but we probably disagree who rules by a mob.

Which is why they created a Republic and not a pure democracy........

So I can't shove my views down your throat.......and you can't do it to me.

Now tell me about the Far Left...........hmmmm.......They all the time create legislation to shove their views down others throats.......and they want to do it to the country.

They want a pure Democracy.........which is the MOB.

Trump was elected by a minority, and the Senate actually lost gop seats, yet the gop passed two tax cuts. Please don't tell me about representative govt and sprits of compromise.

Trump was elected by the Electoral College System.........Which acts like the Republic Madison described.........and the left is importing voters ......then JUST AS YOU ARE SAYING............Saying we had more votes and WANT PURE DEMOCRACY.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[eagle1462010]

good people for Trump

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polop...rticle_750/article-charlottesville-4-0811.jpg

Example of a Mob pissed off by temporary conditions..........Great example.......do they represent the whole Republic.

Now show me the examples of the Mobs dead set to end Trump Rallies in that election........hmmmm.

Pure example of a Mob that will go to no ends to get their position won.......even with violence.

 

[toobfreak]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

Madison has met the MOB and it is the Democratic Party.

It's really the Left but since they all vote democrat, the terms are interchangeable.

 

[regent]

Maybe there are "good rights" and bad rights? Is the right to free speech comparable to the right to shoot up a classroom?

 

[eagle1462010]

Maybe there are "good rights" and bad rights? Is the right to free speech comparable to the right to shoot up a classroom?

That goes towards the slippery slope of Sedition..........which has been abused in history as well. At what point does Free Speech become Sedition and WHO DECIDES.................The Catch 22 equation.

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[georgephillip]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

What did Madison have to say about three-fifths of a mob?

James Madison - Wikipedia

"Madison grew up on a plantation that made use of slave labor and he viewed the institution as a necessary part of the Southern economy, though he was troubled by the instability of a society that depended on a large enslaved population.[227]

"Madison failed to free any of his slaves either during his lifetime or in his will.[228]

"At the Philadelphia Convention, Madison favored an immediate end to the importation of slaves, though the final document barred Congress from interfering with the international slave trade until 1808. [229](The domestic trade in slaves was expressly permitted by the constitution.)[230]

"He also proposed that apportionment in the United States Senate be allocated by the sum of each state's free population and slave population, eventually leading to the adoption of the Three-Fifths Compromise."

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[eagle1462010]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

What did Madison have to say about three-fifths of a mob?

James Madison - Wikipedia

"Madison grew up on a plantation that made use of slave labor and he viewed the institution as a necessary part of the Southern economy, though he was troubled by the instability of a society that depended on a large enslaved population.[227]

"Madison failed to free any of his slaves either during his lifetime or in his will.[228]

"At the Philadelphia Convention, Madison favored an immediate end to the importation of slaves, though the final document barred Congress from interfering with the international slave trade until 1808. [229](The domestic trade in slaves was expressly permitted by the constitution.)[230]

"He also proposed that apportionment in the United States Senate be allocated by the sum of each state's free population and slave population, eventually leading to the adoption of the Three-Fifths Compromise."

In a Republic a Super Majority can CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. But it would require a Super Majority in the Senate, and the States to PERMIT THE CHANGE...........

Which happens VERY SELDOM. ........The very purpose of a Republic is to make laws difficult to pass. That same purpose makes it Nearly IMPOSSIBLE to change the Constitution.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

I agree in theory, but we probably disagree who rules by a mob.

Which is why they created a Republic and not a pure democracy........

So I can't shove my views down your throat.......and you can't do it to me.

Now tell me about the Far Left...........hmmmm.......They all the time create legislation to shove their views down others throats.......and they want to do it to the country.

They want a pure Democracy.........which is the MOB.

Trump was elected by a minority, and the Senate actually lost gop seats, yet the gop passed two tax cuts. Please don't tell me about representative govt and sprits of compromise.

Trump was elected by a majority of electors, which is our system.

You can try to change it, but it will be a most unlikely success.

 

[eagle1462010]