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As long as they have iron clad proof I dont have a problem with it.
Iron clad proof must be established by a court of law. Police gather evidence and establish the facts of a case. They do not try a case or pronounce judgement.
They just make bs up as they go along. Hammering anything they can just as long as they can make all the pieces fit.
If they can't charge the person, they courts can and will get this " Charge your money/ belongings " for the crime. Your money is guilty as charged.
The thought of more confiscation of assets from criminals, gives me a raging hard on. Maybe they'll think first the next time they want to do something stupid.
It's too bad it doesn't work like that.
You can have it done to you. All it takes is being pulled over.
Among a few other situations.
I'm not really concerned. The incidence of people committing multiple crimes and never getting caught, is infinitely higher than the people being arrested for crimes they didn't commit. So everyone needs to share the guilt equally. "From those according to their abilities, to those according to their needs." Isn't that how it's all supposed to work, from the left's point of view? If you're gonna share the wealth, you might as well to share the guilt too.
It's all a matter of perspective, son. Is it a forest or just some trees?
The incidence of people committing multiple crimes and never getting caught, is infinitely higher than the people being arrested for crimes they didn't commit.
Police are the only morally authorized use of force on civilians in society. Police MUST err on the side of caution in all cases. And in no case should any American (regardless of his alleged crimes) be deprived of property without due process.
You might remember we fought a war over just this very thing.
I somehow doubt that those colonials were trafficking in drugs.
The thought of more confiscation of assets from criminals, gives me a raging hard on. Maybe they'll think first the next time they want to do something stupid.
It's too bad it doesn't work like that.
You can have it done to you. All it takes is being pulled over.
Among a few other situations.
I'm not really concerned. The incidence of people committing multiple crimes and never getting caught, is infinitely higher than the people being arrested for crimes they didn't commit. So everyone needs to share the guilt equally. "From those according to their abilities, to those according to their needs." Isn't that how it's all supposed to work, from the left's point of view? If you're gonna share the wealth, you might as well to share the guilt too.
It's all a matter of perspective, son. Is it a forest or just some trees?
THE DEA STRIKES AGAIN – AGENTS SEIZE MAN’S LIFE SAVINGS UNDER CIVIL ASSET FORFEITURE WITHOUT CHARGES
In one of the most uncivilized and preposterous loopholes in America, federal agents are allowed to steal citizens’ assets
All the money – $16,000 in cash – that Joseph Rivers said he had saved and relatives had given him to launch his dream in Hollywood is gone, seized during his trip out West not by thieves but by Drug Enforcement Administration agents during a stop at the Amtrak train station in Albuquerque.
Rivers, 22, wasn’t detained and has not been charged with any crime since his money was taken last month.
That doesn’t matter. Under a federal law enforcement tool called civil asset forfeiture, he need never be arrested or convicted of a crime for the government to take away his cash, cars or property – and keep it.
Rivers was left penniless, his dream deferred.....................CONTINUED
From the Albuquerque Journal article: DEA to T
The thought of more confiscation of assets from criminals, gives me a raging hard on. Maybe they'll think first the next time they want to do something stupid.
It's too bad it doesn't work like that.
You can have it done to you. All it takes is being pulled over.
Among a few other situations.
I'm not really concerned. The incidence of people committing multiple crimes and never getting caught, is infinitely higher than the people being arrested for crimes they didn't commit. So everyone needs to share the guilt equally. "From those according to their abilities, to those according to their needs." Isn't that how it's all supposed to work, from the left's point of view? If you're gonna share the wealth, you might as well to share the guilt too.
It's all a matter of perspective, son. Is it a forest or just some trees?
THE DEA STRIKES AGAIN – AGENTS SEIZE MAN’S LIFE SAVINGS UNDER CIVIL ASSET FORFEITURE WITHOUT CHARGES
In one of the most uncivilized and preposterous loopholes in America, federal agents are allowed to steal citizens’ assets
All the money – $16,000 in cash – that Joseph Rivers said he had saved and relatives had given him to launch his dream in Hollywood is gone, seized during his trip out West not by thieves but by Drug Enforcement Administration agents during a stop at the Amtrak train station in Albuquerque.
Rivers, 22, wasn’t detained and has not been charged with any crime since his money was taken last month.
That doesn’t matter. Under a federal law enforcement tool called civil asset forfeiture, he need never be arrested or convicted of a crime for the government to take away his cash, cars or property – and keep it.
Rivers was left penniless, his dream deferred.....................CONTINUED
From the Albuquerque Journal article: [URL='http://www.abqjournal.com/580107/news/dea-agents-seize-16000-from-aspiring-music-video-producer.html']DEA to Traveler: Thanks, I’ll Take That Cash
raveler: Thanks, I’ll Take That Cash[/URL]
The DEA Strikes Again – Agents Seize Man’s Life Savings Under Civil Asset Forfeiture Without Charges
You have to be flat out stupid to travel with this much cash when it can be stolen by a criminal or the cops.
As long as they have iron clad proof I dont have a problem with it.
Iron clad proof must be established by a court of law. Police gather evidence and establish the facts of a case. They do not try a case or pronounce judgement.
They just make bs up as they go along. Hammering anything they can just as long as they can make all the pieces fit.
If they can't charge the person, they courts can and will get this " Charge your money/ belongings " for the crime. Your money is guilty as charged.
The only way asset forfeiture should be legal is if they bust a dude/dudette with fifty lbs of weed and they have no other means of income.
You have to be flat out stupid to travel with this much cash when it can be stolen by a criminal or the cops.
Stupid to a degree, but I've known people who would take cash with them for lets say a down payment on a home. They didn't want to use checks ( it's tracked) just like when you use your bank card everything you do is tracked and traced.
Knowing what I do though i'm not so sure I would carry that much money on me.
As long as they have iron clad proof I dont have a problem with it.
Iron clad proof must be established by a court of law. Police gather evidence and establish the facts of a case. They do not try a case or pronounce judgement.
They just make bs up as they go along. Hammering anything they can just as long as they can make all the pieces fit.
If they can't charge the person, they courts can and will get this " Charge your money/ belongings " for the crime. Your money is guilty as charged.
The only way asset forfeiture should be legal is if they bust a dude/dudette with fifty lbs of weed and they have no other means of income.
At the risk of being a broken record, and because this is an important issue, it doesnt matter if it's 50 metric tonnes of weed. Until there's been a day in court, no seizures of assets.
The thought of more confiscation of assets from criminals, gives me a raging hard on. Maybe they'll think first the next time they want to do something stupid.
Two things. One don't believe the Washington post.
Two. Read the article.
13 states have changed their procedures to allow only for adoptive forfeiture. This means there must be a conviction first. Sessions is proposing an overhaul of the entire system to require a conviction before any forfeiture can take place.
Now, how to get states to adopt the same laws.
The incidence of people committing multiple crimes and never getting caught, is infinitely higher than the people being arrested for crimes they didn't commit.
Police are the only morally authorized use of force on civilians in society. Police MUST err on the side of caution in all cases. And in no case should any American (regardless of his alleged crimes) be deprived of property without due process.
You might remember we fought a war over just this very thing.
Two things. One don't believe the Washington post.
Two. Read the article.
13 states have changed their procedures to allow only for adoptive forfeiture. This means there must be a conviction first. Sessions is proposing an overhaul of the entire system to require a conviction before any forfeiture can take place.
Now, how to get states to adopt the same laws.
Two things. One don't believe the Washington post.
Two. Read the article.
13 states have changed their procedures to allow only for adoptive forfeiture. This means there must be a conviction first. Sessions is proposing an overhaul of the entire system to require a conviction before any forfeiture can take place.
Now, how to get states to adopt the same laws.
Two things. One don't believe the Washington post.
Two. Read the article.
13 states have changed their procedures to allow only for adoptive forfeiture. This means there must be a conviction first. Sessions is proposing an overhaul of the entire system to require a conviction before any forfeiture can take place.
Now, how to get states to adopt the same laws.
Two things. One don't believe the Washington post.
Two. Read the article.
13 states have changed their procedures to allow only for adoptive forfeiture. This means there must be a conviction first. Sessions is proposing an overhaul of the entire system to require a conviction before any forfeiture can take place.
Now, how to get states to adopt the same laws.
Two things you should know. Jeff Sessions is trying to change the federal law regarding asset forfeiture. His change will require a conviction.Two things. One don't believe the Washington post.
Two. Read the article.
13 states have changed their procedures to allow only for adoptive forfeiture. This means there must be a conviction first. Sessions is proposing an overhaul of the entire system to require a conviction before any forfeiture can take place.
Now, how to get states to adopt the same laws.
4. What if I’m innocent? Surely, innocent people can’t have their property taken.
Being innocent does not mean that a state has to return your property. The Supreme Court of the United States has held that the “innocent owner” defense is not constitutionally required. Furthermore, even in states where you do have an innocent owner defense, the burden is typically on you. Your property is presumed to be guilty until you prove that you are innocent and that your property therefore should not be forfeited. In other words, you must prove (1) that you were not involved in criminal activity and (2) that you either had no knowledge that your property was being used to facilitate the commission of a crime or that you took every reasonable step under the circumstances to terminate such use. And all the while, the police retain your property. To cap it all off, the success rate for winning back property is low. Pragmatic property owners, however innocent, may reason that it is best to cut their losses rather than challenge the forfeiture in court.
Civil Asset Forfeiture: 7 Things You Should Know
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Let's not refer to criminals as American citizens. Let's leave the term "American citizens" for those of us who are law-abiding non-criminals.
