Jesus Never Existed

[ninja007]

Did Jesus Christ Really Exist Proving Jesus Without the Bible Beginning And End

 

[PratchettFan]

"Jesus Never Existed"

Not as perceived by Christians, correct.

‘"Jesus of Nazareth" was nothing more than urban (or desert) legend, likely an agglomeration of several evangelic and deluded rabbis who might have existed.’

True.

The exact same argument can be made about Aristotle.

 

[indiajo]

Titus Flavius Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Julius Africanus and his recounting of Tallus, Lucian of Samosate and of course there is Seutonius. Just to mention a few. Course, you have to READ all of what they wrote. None of which are Christians themselves either.

"I do not believe and therefore, you must not either or you shall be branded as ignorant and a threat." So said the most ignorant of them all...

You did not read it for sure. Because they did not write it.
You believe in a hoax. Tacitus' Jesus lines were a blunt fake. Which is very well known to people who had a humanistic education.
The Romans never had any facts documented about one Jesus. You can be absolutely sure that the writers of the bible (new Testament) woud have used that.excessively, because they had nothing in writing themselvses. The first version of the bible started around the years between 50 and 100.
Which is a bit uncertain because the Gregorian Calender for this date stamp came around 500 years later.
Now, the gospels also originated in ths time frame, which actually makes it impossible that they were written by their named authors. But it is a funny coincidence that the total destruction of the Jewish Palestine by the Roman Empire falls exactly in this period. So the hell of a number of weird jewish or ex-jewish storytellers were scattered as refugees around the Mediterranean shores. It is not unreasonable to assume that a lot of them made their living by acting as religiou gurus.
Your television reverends foster this heritage very well.

 

[indiajo]

"Jesus Never Existed"

Not as perceived by Christians, correct.

‘"Jesus of Nazareth" was nothing more than urban (or desert) legend, likely an agglomeration of several evangelic and deluded rabbis who might have existed.’

True.

The exact same argument can be made about Aristotle.

No.

Because it is precisely documented when and where he was born and buried, the same is valid for his philosophical work and science theory, it is documented that he worked at the court of Alexander the Great, it is documented that he started as student of Platon at the age of 17, etc.pp.ff.
He worked and lectured for institutions whose menbers were able to read and write, and believe it or not, they did it. And, we have that.
From the alleged Jesus followers this is only assumed from Paul, former Saul, a tax collector. and only because people think tax collectors should be able to read and write. There are no remains of that.
Look, if for example there would be an original of the Paul's epistle, the Roman Cathlic Church (the original, where I was raised in, not some of your shady sects) would have it. and they would display it as one of their most holy and sacred objects behind nucelear bomb safe glass, if only the copy of it..
Do they? No. Why? It does not exist.
Instead they display the fake cere cloth of christ. Or sold tons over tons of "original" wood splinters of the holy cross. What a disgrace.

 

[PratchettFan]

"Jesus Never Existed"

Not as perceived by Christians, correct.

‘"Jesus of Nazareth" was nothing more than urban (or desert) legend, likely an agglomeration of several evangelic and deluded rabbis who might have existed.’

True.

The exact same argument can be made about Aristotle.

No.

Because it is precisely documented when and where he was born and buried, the same is valid for his philosophical work and science theory, it is documented that he worked at the court of Alexander the Great, it is documented that he started as student of Platon at the age of 17, etc.pp.ff.
He worked and lectured for institutions whose menbers were able to read and write, and believe it or not, they did it. And, we have that.
From the alleged Jesus followers this is only assumed from Paul, former Saul, a tax collector. and only because people think tax collectors should be able to read and write. There are no remains of that.
Look, if for example there would be an original of the Paul's epistle, the Roman Cathlic Church (the original, where I was raised in, not some of your shady sects) would have it. and they would display it as one of their most holy and sacred objects behind nucelear bomb safe glass, if only the copy of it..
Do they? No. Why? It does not exist.
Instead they display the fake cere cloth of christ. Or sold tons over tons of "original" wood splinters of the holy cross. What a disgrace.

No. It is not. Show me one reference to a contemporary historian.

 

[Avatar4321]

Another thread trying to attack Christians. Odd behavior from someone who doesn't care what others believe.

if you want to know Jesus lives and is the Christ, you have to learn the same way Peter did. You have to receive revelation from the Father. That's how he learned. That's how I've learned. It's the only way to learn.

if you ask the Father in faith, believing He has the power to reveal it to you then He will send the Holy Spirit to testify to you that Jesus lives and atoned for your sins. He is our savior, yours and mind. And He is our brother.

I invite all who read this to be humble and seek the witness of the Spirit so that you can know for yourself that Jesus lives and is who He claimed to be.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Jews, Christians, Muslims, and other faiths acknowledge a man some call Jesus (his given name was actually Yeshua.) Good enough for me.

 

[House Mouse]

Another thread trying to attack Christians. Odd behavior from someone who doesn't care what others believe.

if you want to know Jesus lives and is the Christ, you have to learn the same way Peter did. You have to receive revelation from the Father. That's how he learned. That's how I've learned. It's the only way to learn.

if you ask the Father in faith, believing He has the power to reveal it to you then He will send the Holy Spirit to testify to you that Jesus lives and atoned for your sins. He is our savior, yours and mind. And He is our brother.

I invite all who read this to be humble and seek the witness of the Spirit so that you can know for yourself that Jesus lives and is who He claimed to be.

Amen my brother !!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives have a seething hatred for religion, especially Christianity.

They adore Stalin, Mao and Hitler so what did you expect them to say about Jesus? Just laugh at them, it helps you feel good and it drives them totally insane

 

[PostmodernProph]

I find no mention of Michael Paulkovich in any historical texts.......therefore, he does not exist.....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"Jesus Never Existed"

Not as perceived by Christians, correct.

‘"Jesus of Nazareth" was nothing more than urban (or desert) legend, likely an agglomeration of several evangelic and deluded rabbis who might have existed.’

True.

The exact same argument can be made about Aristotle.

or Abraham, or Moses

Progressive worship Stalin and Obama

 

[hobelim]

The first version of the bible started around the years between 50 and 100. Which is a bit uncertain because the Gregorian Calender for this date stamp came around 500 years later.

Now, the gospels also originated in ths time frame, which actually makes it impossible that they were written by their named authors. But it is a funny coincidence that the total destruction of the Jewish Palestine by the Roman Empire falls exactly in this period. So the hell of a number of weird jewish or ex-jewish storytellers were scattered as refugees around the Mediterranean shores. It is not unreasonable to assume that a lot of them made their living by acting as religiou gurus.
Your television reverends foster this heritage very well.

The gospel stories were written by Jews after the total destruction of Jewish Palestine by the Romans and spread throughout the Roman empire by displaced and persecuted Jews who believed that Jesus was the Jewish messiah?

Hmm. I think you are on to something.....



"I have not come to bring peace but a sword."
Matthew 10:34


"Take from my hand this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them."
Jeremiah 25:15


"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite the nations."
Revelation 19:15


"Take this cup of wine and drink from it. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant."
Matthew 26:28


"Just art thou in these thy judgements, thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink."
Revelation 16:16


"He who leads into captivity, shall go into captivity; he who lifts the sword to kill, is bound by the sword to be killed."
Revelation 13:10

 

[sealybobo]

Michael Paulkovich finds no mention of Christ in 126 historical texts Daily Mail Online

Historical researcher Michael Paulkovich has claimed that Jesus of Nazareth was a ‘mythical character’ and never existed.

The controversial discovery was apparently made after he found no verifiable mention of Christ from 126 writers during the ‘time of Jesus’ from the first to third centuries.

He says he is a fictional character invented by followers of Christianity to create a figure to worship.

...

The 126 texts he studied were all written in the period during or soon after the supposed existence of Jesus, when Paulkovich says they would surely have heard of someone as famous as Jesus - but none mention him.

'When I consider those 126 writers, all of whom should have heard of Jesus but did not - and Paul and Marcion and Athenagoras and Matthew with a tetralogy of opposing Christs, the silence from Qumram and Nazareth and Bethlehem, conflicting Bible stories, and so many other mysteries and omissions - I must conclude that Christ is a mythical character,’ he writes.

‘"Jesus of Nazareth" was nothing more than urban (or desert) legend, likely an agglomeration of several evangelic and deluded rabbis who might have existed.’

Does this mean that his mum wasn't impregnated by a magical, invisible sky creature?

Remembering when the DaVinci Code hit. There was talk that it would change forever the way people believed in god but I've seen any evidence that happened. This will surely have the same non-effect because people want and desperately need to believe the myth.

If you don't believe, why do you care that others do?

Why did Columbus care so much that he didn't just continue to let people think the earth was flat?

A lie is a lie no matter how good it makes you feel. We also believe that "they" use religion to control the masses. Ever see 12 years a slave? Same way massa used it to keep his slaves in line.

You guys try to ban abortion because of your beliefs. You make gay people feel bad about themselves. You start wars over it.

Look at the Muslims in Iraq who believe in god and cut people's heads off after praying 5 times a day?

I also don't like being told I'm going to hell and I don't like being lied to.

The Bible is historically inaccurate, factually incorrect, inconsistent and contradictory. It was artificially constructed by a group of men in antiquity and is poorly translated, heavily altered and selectively interpreted. Entire sections of the text have been redacted over time.

 

[sealybobo]

"Jesus Never Existed"

Not as perceived by Christians, correct.

‘"Jesus of Nazareth" was nothing more than urban (or desert) legend, likely an agglomeration of several evangelic and deluded rabbis who might have existed.’

True.

The exact same argument can be made about Aristotle.

or Abraham, or Moses

Progressive worship Stalin and Obama

What a joke.

 

[sealybobo]

Did Jesus Christ Really Exist? Proving Jesus Without the Bible
March 24, 2012 By Beginning and End


The evidence is overwhelming. Jesus Christ Really Existed.


Did Jesus Really Exist? Where is the proof from non-Bible sources that he is real?

These questions and others like it are often asked by Bible skeptics and atheists alike. This article will show that not only is there historical evidence (from secular sources as well as Christian) that Jesus Christ was real and existed, but also that Jesus Christ is the most documented and historically verifiable figure in antiquity.
Historical Evidence of Jesus Christ’s Existence From Sources Outside the Bible

Non Biblical sources




Jospehus did not believe Jesus was the Son of God. But he wrote about him.



There are many secular historians who lived in the century after the death of Jesus Christ who confirmed his existence. Here are some of them:



Flavius Josephus

According to his Wikipedia entry: “Titus Flavius Josephus (37 – c. 100), was a 1st-century Romano-Jewish historian and hagiographer of priestly and royal ancestry who recorded Jewish history, with special emphasis on the 1st century AD and the First Jewish–Roman War, which resulted in the Destruction of Jerusalem and its temple in 70.”



His most important works were The Jewish War (c. 75) and Antiquities of the Jews (c. 94). The Jewish War recounts the Jewish revolt against Roman occupation (66–70). Antiquities of the Jews recounts the history of the world from a Jewish perspective for an ostensibly Roman audience. These works provide valuable insight into 1st century Judaism and the background of Early Christianity.

Josephus was a Jew who did not believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God or Christianity. In The Antiquities of the Jews, book 18, chapter 3, paragraph 3 the famous historian Flavius Josephus writes:

“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.” (source)

Later Josephus writes:

“But the younger Ananus who, as we said, received the high priesthood, was of a bold disposition and exceptionally daring; he followed the party of the Sadducees, who are severe in judgment above all the Jews, as we have already shown. As therefore Ananus was of such a disposition, he thought he had now a good opportunity, as Festus was now dead, and Albinus was still on the road; so he assembled a council of judges, and brought before it the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as law-breakers, he delivered them over to be stoned.” (source)

Josephus considered one of the greatest historians of antiquity, independently provides proof and evidence that Jesus was a real person who did exist and also confirms the crucifixion of Jesus on the cross under the orders of Pontius Pilate, thus confirming the Biblical account as well.



Tacitus

Cornelius Tacitus was a Roman Historian who lived from 55-120AD. In 115 AD, P. Cornelius Tacitus wrote the following passage that refers to Jesus (called “Christus,” which means “The Messiah”) in book 15, chapter 44 of The Annals after a six-day fire burned much of Rome:

“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.” (source)

Despite the fact the clearly despised Christianity as a “mischievous superstition”, Tacitus no less confirms once again the existence of Jesus and His crucifixion on the cross, it also states Pontius Pilate as the procurator who oversaw the crucifixion again giving non-Biblical proof of Jesus’ existence as recorded in the Bible.




Pliny The Younger


Pliny The Younger wrote of his persecution of Christians.



Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus, (61 AD – ca. 112 AD) : “better known as Pliny the Younger, was a lawyer, author, and magistrate of Ancient Rome. According to Wikipedia: “Pliny is known for his hundreds of surviving letters, which are an invaluable historical source for the time period. Many are addressed to reigning emperors or to notables such as the historian, Tacitus. Pliny himself was a notable figure, serving as an imperial magistrate under Trajan (reigned AD 98–117). Pliny was considered an honest and moderate man, consistent in his pursuit of suspected Christian members according to Roman law, and rose through a series of Imperial civil and military offices, the cursus honorum.”

In his correspondence with the emperor Trajan (Epistulae X.96) he reported on his actions against the followers of Christ. He asks the Emperor for instructions dealing with Christians and explained that he forced Christians to curse Christ under painful torturous inquisition:

“They were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and bound themselves to a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft, adultery, never to falsify their word, not to deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up. When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of a meal–but ordinary and innocent food.” (source)

So not only was Pliny aware of Jesus Christ, he also provides description of the activities of the early church. In a later writing he details persecution against Christians:

“Even this practice, however, they had abandoned after the publication of my edict, by which, according to your orders, I had forbidden political associations. I therefore judged it so much more the necessary to extract the real truth, with the assistance of torture, from two female slaves, who were styled deaconesses: but I could discover nothing more than depraved and excessive superstition.

In the meanwhile, the method I have observed towards those who have denounced to me as Christians is this: I interrogated them whether they were Christians; if they confessed it I repeated the question twice again, adding the threat of capital punishment; if they still persevered, I ordered them to be executed. For whatever the nature of their creed might be, I could at least feel not doubt that contumacy and inflexible obstinacy deserved chastisement. There were others possessed of the same folly; but because they were Roman citizens, I signed an order for them to be transferred to Rome.” (source)

So here we see that not only did Pliny not follow the Christian faith, he was torturing Christians and threatening death against them. And he even records that under threat of execution (just for believing in Jesus Christ as God) the early church members refused to deny their faith in Jesus. This is remarkable evidence of Jesus’ existence outside of the Bible.



Julius Africanus and Tallus

Sextus Julius Africanus (c.160 – c.240) was a Christian traveller and historian of the late 2nd and early 3rd century AD. He is important chiefly because of his influence on Eusebius, on all the later writers of Church history among the Fathers, and on the whole Greek school of chroniclers
Julius Africanus quotes the writings of Tallus, who was a first century non-Christian historian. In his Chronicles, Africanus quoting the historian Tallus, explains the reason for it being so dark during the day time on the day of crucifixion of Jesus Christ:

“An eclipse of the sun’unreasonably, as it seems to me (unreasonably of course, because a solar eclipse could not take place at the time of the full moon, and it was at the season of the Paschal full moon that Christ died.” Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18.

The importance of this quote is two fold as it shows: 1) non-Christian proof of Jesus’ existence and 2) yet another confirmation of the Bible’s account of Jesus’ crucifixion. The Bible states in reference to the time Jesus was put on the cross: “Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour” The “sixth hour” is noon and the ninth hour is 3:00PM. Thus we see that the historian Thallus was trying to explain the odd occurrence of the sky being dark at noon during the crucifxion of Jesus as an eclipse. Africanus also quotes the secular scholar Phlegon, a Greek Historian who lived in the 2nd century AD and also wrote of an eclipse occuring on the day Jesus was crucified. This again provides proof from a non-Christian source that confirms the account of Jesus being a real person who lived as well as confirming the account of His crucifixion straight from the Bible.



Lucian of Samosate

Lucian (Born 115 AD) was a well-known Greek satirist and traveling lecturer. More than eighty works bear his name. He mocked Christians in his writing, but at the same time provided evidence that Jesus really did exist:

“He was second only to that one whom they still worship today, the man in Palestine who was crucified because he brought this new form of initiation into the world.”

“Having convinced themselves that they are immortal and will live forever, the poor wretches despise death and most willingly give themselves to it. Moreover, that first lawgiver of theirs persuaded them that they are all brothers the moment they transgress and deny the Greek gods and begin worshiping that crucified sophist and living by his laws.”

“They scorn all possessions without distinction and treat them as community property. They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time.”

So again, even though Lucian does not mention Jesus by name, there is no doubt he is speaking of the Jesus as he confirms: 1) that he was crucified in “Palestine” (the name of Israel at that time), 2) had followers who believed in eternal life and 3) that they were all equal in Jesus Christ. Lucian even mentions that Christians deny all other gods and believe on “faith alone.” This again is all in accordance with the Bible’s clear statements about the Christian faith and provides even more evidence from outside of the Bible that Jesus, the “man in Palestine” did really exist.

Seutonius

Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus commonly known as Suetonius (ca. 69/75 – after 130), was a Roman historian belonging to the equestrian order in the early Imperial era. His most important surviving work is a set of biographies of twelve successive Roman rulers, from Julius Caesar to Domitian, entitled De Vita Caesarum. The description of his writings states:

The emperor Claudius reigned 41 to 54 AD. Suetonius reports his dealings with the eastern Roman Empire, that is, with Greece and Macedonia, and with the Lycians, Rhodians, and Trojans. He then reports that the emperor expelled the Jews from Rome, since they “constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Christ” (Judaeos impulsore Chresto assidue tumultuantis Roma expulit). The name appears in manuscripts of Suetonius as Chrestus, a form also used by the Roman historian Tacitus to refer to Chrestiani. (source)

Skeptics will point to the different spelling to say “that’s not Jesus he’s talking about!” but again, with the totality of evidence, it’s very obvious that followers of Jesus in the Roman Empire were persecuted by Roman authorities. So it certainly falls in line with the other historical accounts. And there are a number of sources the support the history of Christians in the Roman empire who followed Jesus Christ and being punished for it.



The Bible is Historical Proof That Jesus Existed


The amount of New Testament manuscript evidence of Jesus Christ is greater than any other figure in antiquity.

There is a great logical fallacy among Bible skeptics, atheists and those who like to challenge Christianity that says when discussing the historical aspects of the Bible “you can’t use the Bible as proof that Jesus existed. You must use non-Bible sources!!” To which this author says, “why not?” The four Gospels of the Bible are bibliographical accounts of the life of Jesus. The normal objective measure of the reliability of historical documents is: 1) The number of available copies of ancient manuscripts and 2) the time span between the original version and the date of those copies still in existence today. When examined under this standard, the Bible proves to provide a treasure trove of proof and evidence that Jesus really existed.

Some of the earliest manuscript fragments of the New Testament are the John Rylands Fragment, Chester Beatty Papyrus and the Bodmer Papyrus which were written between 50-100AD. Copies of these papyri were reproduced in 125-200AD, meaning that the time span between the originals and the copies still in existence today is 29 years to 130 years, putting all these manuscripts beings written anywhere from 50-100 years after the death of Jesus Christ. Now some may object and say “Hold on! These manuscripts were written years after Jesus died. There’s no way they could be reliable!” But any expert on ancient documents would disagree.

Let’s look at some of the more famous and universally accepted historical documents and see how they match up with the Bible:

Plato — Plato wrote his works from 427-347 BC. The earliest manuscript copy of Plato’s writing in existence today was written in 900 AD. That is 1,200 years after Plato’s death! And there are only 2 copies of these manuscripts in existence. (source)

Julius Caesar — One of the most celebrated and trusted historical figures. Caesar lived from 100-44 BC and the earliest manuscript copy of his writings dates back to 900 AD, putting our best evidence of Caesar ever existing 1,000 years after his death. And there are 10 copies of ancient manuscripts of Caesar’s Gallic Wars. (source) So if you question the Bible based on when it was written, being “translated so many times” (it was not – we still have the same Greek manuscripts today) and still question whether Jesus existed, then you must also be really sure that Julius Caesar and Plato were completely fictional characters and never really existed.

Homer — Homer, who historians are not even sure ever really existed even today, is credited with writing the Iliad in ca 900 BC. The earliest manuscript copy of the Iliad dates to 400 BC. Meaning the only proof of Homer or the Iliad being accurate is from 500 years after the death of Homer. Additionally there are 643 copies of ancient manuscripts of the Iliad written over the centuries that when compared against each other by experts have a 95.3 consistency and accuracy, making it one of the most reliable and proven documents of antiquity. (source)

That is of course, until you compare it to the New Testament. The New Testament manuscripts date to less than 100 years after the death of Christ. Additionally there are over 5,600 ancient manuscript copies of the New Testament giving it more copies to a degree that dwarfs any other figure of ancient history (to view actual copies of some of these ancient manuscripts, see here). And they have a 99% accuracy when compared to each other. The evidence is not even comparable. And it all points to Jesus Christ. The record of the life, ministry, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ has more evidence and proof than any other person from antiquity.



The Proof and Evidence is Clear – Jesus Christ Really Existed

The most amazing conclusion in all of this is not that Jesus really existed — it is that He still exists. And He sits in Heaven at the right hand of God offering forgiveness to those who will not just believe He was a regular man, but that He as the Son of God, gave His life on that same cross that so many historians knew about, to take the punishment for sins that all of humanity has committed. It just takes faith and trust in that sacrifice to receive him. Jesus said: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. - Revelation 3:20-21​

There is no contemporary evidence for Jesus’ existence or the Bible’s account of his life; no artifacts, dwellings, works of carpentry, self-written manuscripts, court records, eyewitness testimony, official diaries, birth records, reflections on his significance or written disputes about his teachings. Nothing survives from the time in which he is said to have lived.

All historical references to Jesus derive from hearsay accounts written decades or centuries after his supposed death. These historical references generally refer to early Christians rather than a historical Jesus and, in some cases, directly contradict the Gospels or were deliberately manufactured.

The Gospels themselves contradict one-another on many key events and were constructed by unknown authors up to a century after the events they describe are said to have occurred. They are not eyewitness accounts. The New Testament, as a whole, contains many internal inconsistencies as a result of its piecemeal construction and is factually incorrect on several historical claims, such as the early existence of Nazareth, the reign of Herod and the Roman census. Like the Old Testament, it too has had entire books and sections redacted.

The Biblical account of Jesus has striking similarities with other mythologies and texts and many of his supposed teachings existed prior to his time. It is likely the character was either partly or entirely invented by competing first century messianic cults from an amalgamation of Greco-Roman, Egyptian and Judeo-Apocalyptic myths and prophecies.

Even if Jesus’ existence could be established, this would in no way validate Christian theology or any element of the story portrayed in the Bible, such as the performance of miracles or the resurrection. Simply because it is conceivable a heretical Jewish preacher named Yeshua lived circa 30 AD, had followers and was executed, does not imply the son of a god walked the Earth at that time.

 

[sealybobo]

Michael Paulkovich finds no mention of Christ in 126 historical texts Daily Mail Online

Historical researcher Michael Paulkovich has claimed that Jesus of Nazareth was a ‘mythical character’ and never existed.

The controversial discovery was apparently made after he found no verifiable mention of Christ from 126 writers during the ‘time of Jesus’ from the first to third centuries.

He says he is a fictional character invented by followers of Christianity to create a figure to worship.

...

The 126 texts he studied were all written in the period during or soon after the supposed existence of Jesus, when Paulkovich says they would surely have heard of someone as famous as Jesus - but none mention him.

'When I consider those 126 writers, all of whom should have heard of Jesus but did not - and Paul and Marcion and Athenagoras and Matthew with a tetralogy of opposing Christs, the silence from Qumram and Nazareth and Bethlehem, conflicting Bible stories, and so many other mysteries and omissions - I must conclude that Christ is a mythical character,’ he writes.

‘"Jesus of Nazareth" was nothing more than urban (or desert) legend, likely an agglomeration of several evangelic and deluded rabbis who might have existed.’

Does this mean that his mum wasn't impregnated by a magical, invisible sky creature?

Remembering when the DaVinci Code hit. There was talk that it would change forever the way people believed in god but I've seen any evidence that happened. This will surely have the same non-effect because people want and desperately need to believe the myth.

The following gives a brief outlook about the claims of a historical Jesus and why the evidence the Christians present us cannot serve as justification for reliable evidence for a historical Jesus.

Did Jesus exist

 

[Pennywise]

Michael Paulkovich finds no mention of Christ in 126 historical texts Daily Mail Online

Historical researcher Michael Paulkovich has claimed that Jesus of Nazareth was a ‘mythical character’ and never existed.

The controversial discovery was apparently made after he found no verifiable mention of Christ from 126 writers during the ‘time of Jesus’ from the first to third centuries.

He says he is a fictional character invented by followers of Christianity to create a figure to worship.

...

The 126 texts he studied were all written in the period during or soon after the supposed existence of Jesus, when Paulkovich says they would surely have heard of someone as famous as Jesus - but none mention him.

'When I consider those 126 writers, all of whom should have heard of Jesus but did not - and Paul and Marcion and Athenagoras and Matthew with a tetralogy of opposing Christs, the silence from Qumram and Nazareth and Bethlehem, conflicting Bible stories, and so many other mysteries and omissions - I must conclude that Christ is a mythical character,’ he writes.

‘"Jesus of Nazareth" was nothing more than urban (or desert) legend, likely an agglomeration of several evangelic and deluded rabbis who might have existed.’

Does this mean that his mum wasn't impregnated by a magical, invisible sky creature?

Remembering when the DaVinci Code hit. There was talk that it would change forever the way people believed in god but I've seen any evidence that happened. This will surely have the same non-effect because people want and desperately need to believe the myth.

If you don't believe, why do you care that others do?

Why did Columbus care so much that he didn't just continue to let people think the earth was flat?

A lie is a lie no matter how good it makes you feel. We also believe that "they" use religion to control the masses. Ever see 12 years a slave? Same way massa used it to keep his slaves in line.

You guys try to ban abortion because of your beliefs. You make gay people feel bad about themselves. You start wars over it.

Look at the Muslims in Iraq who believe in god and cut people's heads off after praying 5 times a day?

I also don't like being told I'm going to hell and I don't like being lied to.

The Bible is historically inaccurate, factually incorrect, inconsistent and contradictory. It was artificially constructed by a group of men in antiquity and is poorly translated, heavily altered and selectively interpreted. Entire sections of the text have been redacted over time.

I'm agnostic and constantly amazed at the arrogance of atheists.

 

[sealybobo]

Michael Paulkovich finds no mention of Christ in 126 historical texts Daily Mail Online

Historical researcher Michael Paulkovich has claimed that Jesus of Nazareth was a ‘mythical character’ and never existed.

The controversial discovery was apparently made after he found no verifiable mention of Christ from 126 writers during the ‘time of Jesus’ from the first to third centuries.

He says he is a fictional character invented by followers of Christianity to create a figure to worship.

...

The 126 texts he studied were all written in the period during or soon after the supposed existence of Jesus, when Paulkovich says they would surely have heard of someone as famous as Jesus - but none mention him.

'When I consider those 126 writers, all of whom should have heard of Jesus but did not - and Paul and Marcion and Athenagoras and Matthew with a tetralogy of opposing Christs, the silence from Qumram and Nazareth and Bethlehem, conflicting Bible stories, and so many other mysteries and omissions - I must conclude that Christ is a mythical character,’ he writes.

‘"Jesus of Nazareth" was nothing more than urban (or desert) legend, likely an agglomeration of several evangelic and deluded rabbis who might have existed.’

Does this mean that his mum wasn't impregnated by a magical, invisible sky creature?

Remembering when the DaVinci Code hit. There was talk that it would change forever the way people believed in god but I've seen any evidence that happened. This will surely have the same non-effect because people want and desperately need to believe the myth.

If you don't believe, why do you care that others do?

Why did Columbus care so much that he didn't just continue to let people think the earth was flat?

A lie is a lie no matter how good it makes you feel. We also believe that "they" use religion to control the masses. Ever see 12 years a slave? Same way massa used it to keep his slaves in line.

You guys try to ban abortion because of your beliefs. You make gay people feel bad about themselves. You start wars over it.

Look at the Muslims in Iraq who believe in god and cut people's heads off after praying 5 times a day?

I also don't like being told I'm going to hell and I don't like being lied to.

The Bible is historically inaccurate, factually incorrect, inconsistent and contradictory. It was artificially constructed by a group of men in antiquity and is poorly translated, heavily altered and selectively interpreted. Entire sections of the text have been redacted over time.

I'm agnostic and constantly amazed at the arrogance of atheists.

Why? Oh and by the way, the best position to have is actually agnostic atheist. You would have to be a god yourself to know if there is a god hiding inside a black hole or on the other side of the moon. You'd have to be able to be in all places at the same time.

Atheists see zero evidence god is real and from what it looks like humans made it up.

How do you disagree with me?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Michael Paulkovich finds no mention of Christ in 126 historical texts Daily Mail Online

Historical researcher Michael Paulkovich has claimed that Jesus of Nazareth was a ‘mythical character’ and never existed.

The controversial discovery was apparently made after he found no verifiable mention of Christ from 126 writers during the ‘time of Jesus’ from the first to third centuries.

He says he is a fictional character invented by followers of Christianity to create a figure to worship.

...

The 126 texts he studied were all written in the period during or soon after the supposed existence of Jesus, when Paulkovich says they would surely have heard of someone as famous as Jesus - but none mention him.

'When I consider those 126 writers, all of whom should have heard of Jesus but did not - and Paul and Marcion and Athenagoras and Matthew with a tetralogy of opposing Christs, the silence from Qumram and Nazareth and Bethlehem, conflicting Bible stories, and so many other mysteries and omissions - I must conclude that Christ is a mythical character,’ he writes.

‘"Jesus of Nazareth" was nothing more than urban (or desert) legend, likely an agglomeration of several evangelic and deluded rabbis who might have existed.’

Does this mean that his mum wasn't impregnated by a magical, invisible sky creature?

Remembering when the DaVinci Code hit. There was talk that it would change forever the way people believed in god but I've seen any evidence that happened. This will surely have the same non-effect because people want and desperately need to believe the myth.

If you don't believe, why do you care that others do?

Why did Columbus care so much that he didn't just continue to let people think the earth was flat?

A lie is a lie no matter how good it makes you feel. We also believe that "they" use religion to control the masses. Ever see 12 years a slave? Same way massa used it to keep his slaves in line.

You guys try to ban abortion because of your beliefs. You make gay people feel bad about themselves. You start wars over it.

Look at the Muslims in Iraq who believe in god and cut people's heads off after praying 5 times a day?

I also don't like being told I'm going to hell and I don't like being lied to.

The Bible is historically inaccurate, factually incorrect, inconsistent and contradictory. It was artificially constructed by a group of men in antiquity and is poorly translated, heavily altered and selectively interpreted. Entire sections of the text have been redacted over time.

I'm agnostic and constantly amazed at the arrogance of atheists.

While you turn a blind eye to the arrogance of theists?

 

[Pennywise]

Michael Paulkovich finds no mention of Christ in 126 historical texts Daily Mail Online

Historical researcher Michael Paulkovich has claimed that Jesus of Nazareth was a ‘mythical character’ and never existed.

The controversial discovery was apparently made after he found no verifiable mention of Christ from 126 writers during the ‘time of Jesus’ from the first to third centuries.

He says he is a fictional character invented by followers of Christianity to create a figure to worship.

...

The 126 texts he studied were all written in the period during or soon after the supposed existence of Jesus, when Paulkovich says they would surely have heard of someone as famous as Jesus - but none mention him.

'When I consider those 126 writers, all of whom should have heard of Jesus but did not - and Paul and Marcion and Athenagoras and Matthew with a tetralogy of opposing Christs, the silence from Qumram and Nazareth and Bethlehem, conflicting Bible stories, and so many other mysteries and omissions - I must conclude that Christ is a mythical character,’ he writes.

‘"Jesus of Nazareth" was nothing more than urban (or desert) legend, likely an agglomeration of several evangelic and deluded rabbis who might have existed.’

Does this mean that his mum wasn't impregnated by a magical, invisible sky creature?

Remembering when the DaVinci Code hit. There was talk that it would change forever the way people believed in god but I've seen any evidence that happened. This will surely have the same non-effect because people want and desperately need to believe the myth.

If you don't believe, why do you care that others do?

Why did Columbus care so much that he didn't just continue to let people think the earth was flat?

A lie is a lie no matter how good it makes you feel. We also believe that "they" use religion to control the masses. Ever see 12 years a slave? Same way massa used it to keep his slaves in line.

You guys try to ban abortion because of your beliefs. You make gay people feel bad about themselves. You start wars over it.

Look at the Muslims in Iraq who believe in god and cut people's heads off after praying 5 times a day?

I also don't like being told I'm going to hell and I don't like being lied to.

The Bible is historically inaccurate, factually incorrect, inconsistent and contradictory. It was artificially constructed by a group of men in antiquity and is poorly translated, heavily altered and selectively interpreted. Entire sections of the text have been redacted over time.

I'm agnostic and constantly amazed at the arrogance of atheists.

Why? Oh and by the way, the best position to have is actually agnostic atheist. You would have to be a god yourself to know if there is a god hiding inside a black hole or on the other side of the moon. You'd have to be able to be in all places at the same time.

Atheists see zero evidence god is real and from what it looks like humans made it up.

How do you disagree with me?

I see things everyday that point to a design, not a random series of events. On the other hand I have trouble conceiving of God as such a being is recognized by religious people. This could be because God does not exist, or it could be that I am personally incapable of grasping what is simple faith to others.

All I know for certain is that I can no more claim that God does or does not exist. There is far too much that is beyond the grasp of man to make such a judgement, in my mind.