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Okay - a Pauperes and IIRC Valdes, aka Waldo was a former Rabbi. Not sure however if Waldensee's are a pure Jewish sub group or intermixed or deriving from Christians - who in turn rely heavily onto Hebrew customs and scripts. - the latter would help to explain the existence of the first non Latin written Bible around the 11th-12th century.
As for, where would the pagans be without the Roman Church; - well the Celtic and Germanic tribes had clear customs and definitions of moral - most of the now Christian termed festivities or rituals e.g. marriage rituals actually derive from e.g. Germanic religious customs. The Romans had their clear laws and moral values as well - ages before Christianity came up. Christians call him God and those Celtics or Germanic's called him Odin or respectively Wotan - plus some other deities to make the whole thing a bit more colorful.
The only real significant difference obvious to me is that these 3 Monotheistic religions are pure power concentrated/projected religions in contra to e.g. Hinduism, the classic Greek believes or those of the Germanic and Celtic people. In other words those three Monos project the power of those power circles pulling the strings behind the religion into a single source of command and utter obedience.
So if you defy a single Gods words (actually their words and intentions) you are dead meat, since no other power can help you - one is therefore at the utter mercy of the respective religious power group. Whilst in religions that also behold other deities - one can still find a way to wiggle himself out of having defied or angered e.g. Wotan - by being at good odds with e,g, Thor or Donar, or Shiva in case you are at odds with Ganesha. As such these religious power circles do not posses an ultimate power such as the Monos.
Political spin ...
Is it?Funny.
You said "Israel"Jerusalem is not near Galilee.
ALL SEVEN HILLS were in a mere 10 acres?------you should visit that cityThe Bible exaggerates everything. Jerusalem was 10 acres and less than a thousand people at the time of David.
You just threw everyone in a tizzy. You meant Jerusalem has seven hills.
Honest mistake.
Nobody said that. Nobody said the seven hills were in city limits.ALL SEVEN HILLS were in a mere 10 acres?------you should visit that city
norwegenThe Bible written into our hearts has been being written into our hearts since the beginning ... long before there was writing ... it doesn't matter where or when you think this all began, stealing has always been wrong ... that's what animals do, not us ...
www.biblicalarchaeology.org
Basically, everything claiming that Jesus was the Messiah.Is it?
So, what was it in Jerusalem's future that the gospels had wrong?
the SEVEN HILLS of Jerusalem were not in the city of Jerusalem? You shouldNobody said that. Nobody said the seven hills were in city limits.
In the first century, Jerusalem was very small geographically. A child could easily have trekked its breadth between breakfast and lunch.norwegen
Ancient Jerusalem: The Village, the Town, the City
Ancient Jerusalem made such an enormous impact on Western civilization that it’s hard to fathom how small its population really was.
It's not political.. this is from some of the finest archaeologists and scholars in Israel.
In the first century, Jerusalem was very small geographically. A child could easily have trekked its breadth between breakfast and lunch.
It's permanent population couldn't have been more than a few thousand.
However, when armies encompassed the city, the population had swollen in observance of Passover. Hence the great suffering and tribulation.
The post you responded to - Clyde's - isn't about Messiah. Neither is the question I asked.Basically, everything claiming that Jesus was the Messiah.
But you know Jews already think this, so why start in to argue with a traditional Jew that the gospels are “actual history“? Nothing to be gained.
I was not born until 1945. I did not do anything beforeAfter all, it does say in the Christian Bible that “his blood is on Jews and all their generations“ along with other anti-Jewish verses.
Me? I do not. I think Jesus was basically a good man, with good intentions, and taught traditional Jewish values. His “do unto others” teaching, for example, can straight from Hillel.
The problem really started decades later when the NT was written. The claims that Jesus said “nobody gets to the Father except through me” is either outright false (no Jew would elevate himself like that) or misconstrued when he meant one must follow his teachings to see Gd.
That interpretation led to the idea the Gd is angry at Jews, has cursed them, and some of the other nasty stuff I’ve read right here on this forum. And the more Jews stuck with their religion that clearly outlined who the Messiah would be - Jesus didn’t fit - the more angry the 1st c Christians got with them. By the time John was written, they were in all-out assault mode.
Jesus certainly never intended any of this.
People who blame Jews for everything are too stupid to know the truth and too lazy to look it up. When anyone would tell my Grandmother that someone was blaming the Jews for something, she would always say:"Zo, vhat's new?"Please….I asked Jews for their opinion. (We already know people like you blame Jews.)
Yeah; and they dictate law as inspired by God......just like Biblical Israel, and the nation calling itself Israel today is led by the dictates of the Levite Royal Priesthood?The LEVITES is still here------by DNA EVIDENCE
....or do you live by laws instituted by man and ignore the Orthodox laws as defined by these LEVITES? When was the last Burnt Offering Sacrifice you engaged to carry your sins over from season to season by giving a sacrifice to the Royal Priesthood of Levites? -- Deut 18:1-5Are you from India? Your language usage is not American English.Yeah; and they dictate law as inspired by God......just like Biblical Israel, and the nation calling itself Israel today is led by the dictates of the Levite Royal Priesthood?
Again.........the facts prove that the vast majority of those who attempt to identify as being A RACE OF JEWS have not been to Temple since Moses was a baby, they are more secular than religious. There are over 16 million peoples today that identify as being a race of Jews.........of that 16 million only 5.5 practice their faith in any type of orthodox fashion.....the majority go to temple only on special Jewish Sabbaths/Holidays.
As far as DNA goes............all peoples that originated in the Middle East share the same DNA to an extent,.......Muslim, Jew, or Gentile. No religion has a personal DNA signature......religion is instructed, it is not innate to birth. There is no such animal as Jewish lite. You either practice it in an Orthodox manner, or you are guilty of breaking the entire law.
"Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not get entangled again with a yoke of bondage (obeying the Law verbatim, which has happened only once in world history; through the birth, life, death, resurrection and ascension of Christ Jesus, the only man Born of a Woman, Born Under the Law, that was tempted as is every human.....but sinned not -- Gal. 4:4, 15)
If you claim to Justify yourself via the Old Laws of Moses........then you must worship and serve 100% of the Old Law and carry your sins over from year to year as declared by the Royal Priesthood. If not.....your claims of faith are made useless.
I respect the Orthodox Jew..........the ones that stand behind their faith with resolution, its the hypocrisy that exists in both the Jewish and Christian faith that I find intolerable.
the content of your post indicates that you have a need for professionalYeah; and they dictate law as inspired by God......just like Biblical Israel, and the nation calling itself Israel today is led by the dictates of the Levite Royal Priesthood?
Again.........the facts prove that the vast majority of those who attempt to identify as being A RACE OF JEWS have not been to Temple since Moses was a baby, they are more secular than religious. There are over 16 million peoples today that identify as being a race of Jews.........of that 16 million only 5.5 practice their faith in any type of orthodox fashion.....the majority go to temple only on special Jewish Sabbaths/Holidays.
As far as DNA goes............all peoples that originated in the Middle East share the same DNA to an extent,.......Muslim, Jew, or Gentile. No religion has a personal DNA signature......religion is instructed, it is not innate to birth. There is no such animal as Jewish lite. You either practice it in an Orthodox manner, or you are guilty of breaking the entire law.
"Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not get entangled again with a yoke of bondage (obeying the Law verbatim, which has happened only once in world history; through the birth, life, death, resurrection and ascension of Christ Jesus, the only man Born of a Woman, Born Under the Law, that was tempted as is every human.....but sinned not -- Gal. 4:4, 15)
If you claim to Justify yourself via the Old Laws of Moses........then you must worship and serve 100% of the Old Law and carry your sins over from year to year as declared by the Royal Priesthood. If not.....your claims of faith are made useless.
I respect the Orthodox Jew..........the ones that stand behind their faith with resolution, its the hypocrisy that exists in both the Jewish and Christian faith that I find intolerable.
