Joe Biden gets into testy exchange with man over gun rights

If you actually listened to her speech (which you DID NOT) Pam Blondie conviniently forgets to talk about what Shokin has been doing with his time in office - which is a crucial component of this matter.

Even Juliani did not try to claim that Shokin was clean, but tried to equate it out by saying that all officials are corrupt in Ukraine.
How clean or unclean Shokin was, is a DODGE. What matters is Shokin was an opponent of Burisma

Opponents of Burisma do not bury cases against it's wealthy owner.
. All that matters is Joe saw Shokin as an opponent of Burisma. Simple as that. :biggrin:
Why would Biden view Shokin as an opponent to Burisma when Shokin was protecting Zlochevsky?

As always, you make no sense.
Read the link. Get informed.
Real news trumps a discredited opinion piece...

Timeline in Ukraine Probe Casts Doubt on Giuliani’s Biden Claim

There’s little question that the Bidens’ paths in Ukraine held the potential for conflict, and in a tweet last week, Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani said the U.S. should investigate the matter. But what has received less attention is that at the time Biden made his ultimatum, the probe into the company -- Burisma Holdings, owned by Mykola Zlochevsky -- had been long dormant, according to the former official, Vitaliy Kasko.

“There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky,” Kasko said in an interview last week. “It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015.”

[...]

The case against Zlochevsky and his Burisma Holdings was assigned to Shokin, then a deputy prosecutor. But Shokin and others weren’t pursuing it, according to the internal reports from the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office reviewed by Bloomberg.

In a December 2014 letter, U.S. officials warned Ukrainian prosecutors of negative consequences for Ukraine over its failure to assist the U.K., which had seized Zlochevsky’s assets, according to the documents.

Those funds, $23.5 million, were unblocked in 2015 when a British court determined there wasn’t enough evidence to justify the continued freeze, in part because Ukrainian prosecutors had failed to provide the necessary information.

Shokin became prosecutor general in February 2015. Over the next year, the U.S. and the International Monetary Fund criticized officials for not doing enough to fight corruption in Ukraine.

Shokin took no action to pursue cases against Zlochevsky throughout 2015, said Kasko, who was Shokin’s deputy overseeing international cooperation and helping in asset-recovery investigations. Kasko said he had urged Shokin to pursue the investigations.
 
Trouble with Democrats is, they think the American people are stupid. We're not.
No worries. Thanks to Obama signing off on the Patriot Act and NDAA, Trump can just throw all the (D)issidents into coronavirus FEMA camps .

Wear your MAGA hats at the check points.
Wut?? The Patriot Act was signed into law in October, 2001.... who was president?

Obama had to sign off on it's renewal, why did he do it?
 
Trouble with Democrats is, they think the American people are stupid. We're not.
No worries. Thanks to Obama signing off on the Patriot Act and NDAA, Trump can just throw all the (D)issidents into coronavirus FEMA camps .

Wear your MAGA hats at the check points.
Wut?? The Patriot Act was signed into law in October, 2001.... who was president?

Obama had to sign off on it's renewal, why did he do it?
Obama was a continuation of Bush in virtually every possible way.
Even though he campaigned for change. I fell for it the first time.
 
Trouble with Democrats is, they think the American people are stupid. We're not.
No worries. Thanks to Obama signing off on the Patriot Act and NDAA, Trump can just throw all the (D)issidents into coronavirus FEMA camps .

Wear your MAGA hats at the check points.
Wut?? The Patriot Act was signed into law in October, 2001.... who was president?

Obama had to sign off on it's renewal, why did he do it?
For the same reason as Bush -- national security.
 
Trouble with Democrats is, they think the American people are stupid. We're not.
No worries. Thanks to Obama signing off on the Patriot Act and NDAA, Trump can just throw all the (D)issidents into coronavirus FEMA camps .

Wear your MAGA hats at the check points.
Wut?? The Patriot Act was signed into law in October, 2001.... who was president?

Obama had to sign off on it's renewal, why did he do it?
For the same reason as Bush -- national security.
You're just being disingenuous as usual.
Obama not only left Guantanamo open after promising to close it, he took away our right to a fair trial.
He made it legal to arrest American citizens indefinitely without a phone call or a trial .

Don't pretend you don't know any of this.
 
Trouble with Democrats is, they think the American people are stupid. We're not.
No worries. Thanks to Obama signing off on the Patriot Act and NDAA, Trump can just throw all the (D)issidents into coronavirus FEMA camps .

Wear your MAGA hats at the check points.
Wut?? The Patriot Act was signed into law in October, 2001.... who was president?

Obama had to sign off on it's renewal, why did he do it?
Obama was a continuation of Bush in virtually every possible way.
Even though he campaigned for change. I fell for it the first time.

I agree.
 
Trouble with Democrats is, they think the American people are stupid. We're not.
No worries. Thanks to Obama signing off on the Patriot Act and NDAA, Trump can just throw all the (D)issidents into coronavirus FEMA camps .

Wear your MAGA hats at the check points.
Wut?? The Patriot Act was signed into law in October, 2001.... who was president?

Obama had to sign off on it's renewal, why did he do it?
For the same reason as Bush -- national security.

Nope, to strip away 4th Amendments Rights
 
Trouble with Democrats is, they think the American people are stupid. We're not.
No worries. Thanks to Obama signing off on the Patriot Act and NDAA, Trump can just throw all the (D)issidents into coronavirus FEMA camps .

Wear your MAGA hats at the check points.
Wut?? The Patriot Act was signed into law in October, 2001.... who was president?

Obama had to sign off on it's renewal, why did he do it?
For the same reason as Bush -- national security.
You're just being disingenuous as usual.
Obama not only left Guantanamo open after promising to close it, he took away our right to a fair trial.
He made it legal to arrest American citizens indefinitely without a phone call or a trial .

Don't pretend you don't know any of this.

Let us not forget the droning of US Citizens w/o due process
 
No worries. Thanks to Obama signing off on the Patriot Act and NDAA, Trump can just throw all the (D)issidents into coronavirus FEMA camps .

Wear your MAGA hats at the check points.
Wut?? The Patriot Act was signed into law in October, 2001.... who was president?

Obama had to sign off on it's renewal, why did he do it?
For the same reason as Bush -- national security.
You're just being disingenuous as usual.
Obama not only left Guantanamo open after promising to close it, he took away our right to a fair trial.
He made it legal to arrest American citizens indefinitely without a phone call or a trial .

Don't pretend you don't know any of this.

Let us not forget the droning of US Citizens w/o due process
Covert wars in Libya, Syria, Somalia and God knows where else. To his credit we were into nuclear disarmament talks with Russia which are dead. ( until very recently -- we'll see)
 
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Wut?? The Patriot Act was signed into law in October, 2001.... who was president?

Obama had to sign off on it's renewal, why did he do it?
For the same reason as Bush -- national security.
You're just being disingenuous as usual.
Obama not only left Guantanamo open after promising to close it, he took away our right to a fair trial.
He made it legal to arrest American citizens indefinitely without a phone call or a trial .

Don't pretend you don't know any of this.

Let us not forget the droning of US Citizens w/o due process
Covert wars in Libya, Syria, Somalia and God knows where else. To his credit we were into nuclear disarmament talks with Russia which are dead.

Humans are afflicted with a normalcy bias. No matter what thy "see" they refuse to entertain the notion that things are not always as they see them.
 
Anyone who tell you Biden respects the rights of gun owners, and the protections afforded to same by the 2nd, is lying..
If the DEM party was a strong supporter of the Second Amendment Biden would be giving rally speeches tro twelve people with a 'AR14' on his back. The lying 'stolen valor' piece of shit is a disgrace to the human race.
 
The voter in Detroit accuses biden of planning to take guns and Sleepy Joe loses it

Joe Biden gets into testy exchange with man over gun rights - CNNPolitics

Washington (CNN)Joe Biden got into a testy exchange Tuesday with a worker in Detroit who falsely accused the former vice president of wanting to confiscate guns from Americans, a remark that caused the Democratic presidential hopeful to say the man was "full of s***."


This is really going to hurt Sleepy Joe with the union vote.

A lot of union fellows have firearms and aren't the pansies that Biden or the liberal bigwigs imagine. The Vice President needs to go down to the local Italian clubs and meet with the business agents and learn that they aren't that easy to intimidate. They aren't like the Pajama Boy they used to hang their risky Obamacare Scheme on the American people.
 
Not bs at all. Shokin had been a thorn in the side of Burisma.

Bullshit, he did nothing on this case for two years before getting removed.

“There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky,” Kasko said in an interview last week. “It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015.

Ukraine Ex-Official Casts Doubt on Biden Conflict Claim
Doesn't matter if it was 2 years, or 3, or 4. Point is, Shokin had been a Burisma opponent

WTF makes you think that that Shokin, who was refusing to co-operate with UK authorities on Burisma case was Burisma opponent?

Can you rationally explain or is it one of those dumbass things you make yourself belive because otherwise your house of cards falls apart?
I could but I'd be typing more than I care to on a cell phone. So I'll do what you do. Drop a link.

Solomon: These once-secret memos cast doubt on Joe Biden's Ukraine story
What you posted was an opinion piece.

Even worse, an opinion piece with discredited lies, such as Solomon's claim that Shokin was actively investigating Burisma.

Even worse still, it's an opinion piece containing lies by an opinion writer whose credibility was disemboweled by his former employer, The Hill...

The Hill's review of John Solomon's columns on Ukraine
Shokin had investigated BURISMA, and could again + could cause them trouble by talking to the media. That's all that matters, not what he was actively doing. Maybe he was actively playing Scattergories ? Tennis anyone ?

Does all this Biden blabbering, mean that you think the 2020 Democrat nominating of him, makes a grain of sense ? That you think there is a speck in the cosmos of a chance of Biden becoming president ?
 

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