Judge Approves Trump's 'Special Master' Request

[jc456]

NO.... The presumption of innocence means that the Government must prove that he did not. The onus is on the DOJ and FBI to prove he did not.

Demofks still haven’t learned about the United States

 

[Seymour Flops]

Why wouldn't the DOJ have appointed a Special Master before they even conducted the raid? Like any reasonable person wouldn't have known this was going to be a shit storm from the second they showed up at the door of a former President? Why would the DOJ fight the appointment after the fact?

Two reasons.

The last thing the DNC/DOJ/FBI want is any oversight at all. Look at how they stonewall when questioned by congress.

Also . . .

By fighting the special master in a forty page document, they got to publish their staged photo of the classified cover pages. How does a staged photo argue against a special master? It doesn't, they just wanted to publish it, and including in a filing gave them a reason to do so.

The FBI leaks information - bogus or real - like a sieve. But they rarely leak an actual photo, so they found a back door.

 

[berg80]

yeah the judge tossed the xiden regime silly arguments

What silly argument?

Summary of Argument

Plaintiff’s motion to appoint a special master, enjoin further review of seized materials, and require the return of seized items fails for multiple, independent reasons. As an initial matter, the former President lacks standing to seek judicial relief or oversight as to Presidential records because those records do not belong to him. The Presidential Records Act makes clear that “[t]he United States” has “complete ownership, possession, and control” of them. 44 U.S.C. § 2202. Furthermore, this Court lacks jurisdiction to adjudicate Plaintiff’s Fourth Amendment challenges to the validity of the search warrant and his arguments for returning or suppressing the materials seized. For those reasons and others, Plaintiff has shown no basis for the Court to grant injunctive relief. Plaintiff is not likely to succeed on the merits; he will suffer no injury absent an injunction—let alone an irreparable injury; and the harms to the government and the public would far outweigh any benefit to Plaintiff. 1 Plaintiff also sought a more detailed receipt for the property seized during the August 8, 2022 execution of the search warrant. D.E. 1 at 19-21; see generally D.E. 28. The Court ordered the government to file under seal “[a] more detailed Receipt for Property specifying all property seized pursuant to the search warrant.” D.E. 29 at 2. The government filed today under seal, in accordance with the Court’s order, the more detailed receipt. Although the receipt of property already provided to Plaintiff at the time of the search, see In Re Sealed Search

 

[Billy_Bob]

Now Trump will object to whoever is appointed as S.M., claiming the person is biased, delaying the process even longer.

Just like your soi boys will do...

 

[jc456]

Two reasons.

The last thing the DNC/DOJ/FBI want is any oversight at all. Look at how they stonewall when questioned by congress.

Also . . .

By fighting the special master in a forty page document, they got to publish their staged photo of the classified cover pages. How does a staged photo argue against a special master? It doesn't, they just wanted to publish it, and including in a filing gave them a reason to do so.

The FBI leaks information - bogus or real - like a sieve. But they rarely leak an actual photo, so they found a back door.

Richard jewel

 

[OKTexas]

The FBI and DOJ aren't hiding anything.*** they are taking trump to task, and trump's examples are to delay, delay and delay. This time if people like you continue with the BIG LIES and Conspiracy Theories (aka: Fiction and Fantasies) an effort to make trump succeed would prevent him to be indicted until the election, and he hopes the GOP will be the majority of the Senate and House of Representatives who will rescue him.

***The entire affidavit will not be released for very good reasons, as an indictment will be forthcomings by a Criminal Grand Jury. Then and only then if the former President is indicted, all of the records will be released to trump's attorneys.

Trump already has them not redacted, why hasn't he had a rally and read the entire affidavit to his flock?

Yeah, you got him now. LMAO And you don't have any problem with the obvious double standard at the DOJ.

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[Billy_Bob]

Two reasons.

The last thing the DNC/DOJ/FBI want is any oversight at all. Look at how they stonewall when questioned by congress.

Also . . .

By fighting the special master in a forty page document, they got to publish their staged photo of the classified cover pages. How does a staged photo argue against a special master? It doesn't, they just wanted to publish it, and including in a filing gave them a reason to do so.

The FBI leaks information - bogus or real - like a sieve. But they rarely leak an actual photo, so they found a back door.

The photo, if we are to believe the FBI, is of classified documents. This is a clear violation of the espionage act. Why would a judge allow criminal behavior of this magnitude?

 

[Seymour Flops]

What silly argument?

Summary of Argument

Plaintiff’s motion to appoint a special master, enjoin further review of seized materials, and require the return of seized items fails for multiple, independent reasons. As an initial matter, the former President lacks standing to seek judicial relief or oversight as to Presidential records because those records do not belong to him.

That part is laughable, since even the DNC/DOJ/FBI admits they took stuff they don't even claim are presidential records.

The Presidential Records Act makes clear that “[t]he United States” has “complete ownership, possession, and control” of them. 44 U.S.C. § 2202. Furthermore, this Court lacks jurisdiction to adjudicate Plaintiff’s Fourth Amendment challenges to the validity of the search warrant and his arguments for returning or suppressing the materials seized. For those reasons and others, Plaintiff has shown no basis for the Court to grant injunctive relief. Plaintiff is not likely to succeed on the merits; he will suffer no injury absent an injunction—let alone an irreparable injury; and the harms to the government and the public would far outweigh any benefit to Plaintiff. 1 Plaintiff also sought a more detailed receipt for the property seized during the August 8, 2022 execution of the search warrant. D.E. 1 at 19-21; see generally D.E. 28. The Court ordered the government to file under seal “[a] more detailed Receipt for Property specifying all property seized pursuant to the search warrant.” D.E. 29 at 2. The government filed today under seal, in accordance with the Court’s order, the more detailed receipt. Although the receipt of property already provided to Plaintiff at the time of the search, see In Re Sealed Search

So, the special master will decide what is what, since the FBI has proven itself unable to accurately do so.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The photo, if we are to believe the FBI is of classified documents. This is a clear violation of the espionage act. Why would a judge allow criminal behavior of this magnitude.

We are not to believe the FBI, unless we don't understand that past behavior is the most accurate predictor of future behavior.

If they are classified documents (which they are not, if they are documents that Trump declassified while president), that is not a "clear violation of the espionage act," unless the same was true for Hillary and the tens of thousand of classified documents she kept in her home. The FBI already said that it was not a clear violation for Hillary, so if they claim it is a clear violation for Trump, they are following some other guidance besides equal application of the law.

EDIT: I misunderstood. Yes, if the FBI is photgraphing classified documents for publication, heads will roll unless they admit it was staged with blank pages stamped classified. They may claim it was a "reconstruction."

 

[Billy_Bob]

That part is laughable, since even the DNC/DOJ/FBI admits they took stuff they don't even claim are presidential records.

So, the special master will decide what is what, since the FBI has proven itself unable to accurately do so.

They took personal affects outside the scope of the warrant. This is about to get very ugly for the DOJ and FBI. These extra-warrant items can collapse the whole warrant as they show criminal intent to frame or looking for a crime they do not know about.

Clearly the judge sees this as an illegal search and seizure, or at least suspects it was.

 

[22lcidw]

I'm sure that's when your pussy started leaking, Soy Boy.

This is not about mano mano. It never will be.

 

[Seymour Flops]

They took personal affects outside the scope of the warrant. This is about to get very ugly for the DOJ and FBI. These extra-warrant items can collapse the whole warrant as they show criminal intent to frame or looking for a crime they do not know about.

Clearly the judge sees this as an illegal search and seizure, or at least suspects it was.

I have to think that may be the aim. Have the warrant quashed and forever claim that Trump got away with it because of a technicality or a Trumper judge.

Why else would they have not taken the simple precaution of telling the agents, "Stay out of the panties, boys."

 

[Care4all]

For the umpteenth time I respond to a Democrat claim of a "process" that they president has to follow or his declassification doesn't count by asking them to show me this supposed "process."

I expect crickets, for the umpteenth time.

The subpoena called for documents with classified markings. Trump's attorney's stated that they had all been handed over. When we see the body cam footage of the raid, if it shows that the marked documents were there already and not brought in by the cargo pants wearing agents, Trump's attorney may be in trouble.

It's a long read! I've only gotten through half of it, so far!!!!



Www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-11652-classification-and-declassification-national-security-information

And this link, with the above link referenced.


Www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/18/3a.21

 

[struth]

This will be appealed and overturned. And it also demolishes Trump's claims that the documents aren't classified. Or that they weren't concealed.

why would it be overturned?

and how does it demolish those claims?

 

[Billy_Bob]

They may claim it was a "reconstruction."

The proper term would be FABRICATION...

 

[struth]

What silly argument?

Summary of Argument

Plaintiff’s motion to appoint a special master, enjoin further review of seized materials, and require the return of seized items fails for multiple, independent reasons. As an initial matter, the former President lacks standing to seek judicial relief or oversight as to Presidential records because those records do not belong to him. The Presidential Records Act makes clear that “[t]he United States” has “complete ownership, possession, and control” of them. 44 U.S.C. § 2202. Furthermore, this Court lacks jurisdiction to adjudicate Plaintiff’s Fourth Amendment challenges to the validity of the search warrant and his arguments for returning or suppressing the materials seized. For those reasons and others, Plaintiff has shown no basis for the Court to grant injunctive relief. Plaintiff is not likely to succeed on the merits; he will suffer no injury absent an injunction—let alone an irreparable injury; and the harms to the government and the public would far outweigh any benefit to Plaintiff. 1 Plaintiff also sought a more detailed receipt for the property seized during the August 8, 2022 execution of the search warrant. D.E. 1 at 19-21; see generally D.E. 28. The Court ordered the government to file under seal “[a] more detailed Receipt for Property specifying all property seized pursuant to the search warrant.” D.E. 29 at 2. The government filed today under seal, in accordance with the Court’s order, the more detailed receipt. Although the receipt of property already provided to Plaintiff at the time of the search, see In Re Sealed Search

i’m not sure your point…nobody ever suggested he owns Govt property

A violation. of the PRA isn’t a crime

 

[berg80]

NO.... The presumption of innocence means that the Government must prove that he did not. The onus is on the DOJ and FBI to prove he did not.

If part of Trump's defense lies on the assertion he took the affirmative action of declassifying the docs (the laws he broke don't depend on classification) then it is incumbent on the defense to prove it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

It's a long read! I've only gotten through half of it, so far!!!!



Www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-11652-classification-and-declassification-national-security-information

And this link, with the above link referenced.


Www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/18/3a.21

I thank you for at least responding.

I'll look through it also, and if I don't find a process mandated, I'll ask you to quote the process. Gimme a minute, though, I want to be thorough.

 

[jc456]

i’m not sure your point…nobody ever suggested he owns Govt property

A violation. of the PRA isn’t a crime

Exactly

 

[22lcidw]

If part of Trump's defense lies on the assertion he took the affirmative action of declassifying the docs (the laws he broke don't depend on classification) then it is incumbent on the defense to prove it.

Many Americans have lost at least 10% of their wealth in the near last two years.