Judge Approves Trump's 'Special Master' Request

[struth]

The first provision listed, 18 U.S.C. § 1519, is an obstruction of justice provision that makes it a crime to knowingly alter, conceal, destroy, or falsify “any record, document, or tangible object[,]” so long as it’s done with the intent to impede or influence a federal investigation or other process. It’s unclear whether the Justice Department included § 1519 on the search warrant because it believes records held at Mar-a-Lago have been concealed or manipulated in violation of § 1519, or because members of Trump’s team may have generated false records as part of the extended negotiations over the retrieval of those records (such as the inventory that one or more of Trump’s lawyers reportedly signed in June 2022 asserting, incorrectly, that all classified documents had been turned over). Either way, whether the records held at Mar-a-Lago are classified or not is irrelevant, as the Justice Department routinely brings successful § 1519 charges in relation to records that are entirely unclassified, such as police reports and records of maritime waste disposal.

The second provision, 18 U.S.C. § 2071, similarly applies to any effort to willfully and unlawfully conceal, mutilate, or destroy “any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing” that is “filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States[.]”

show some where anything was alternated

This isn’t a trial, so far. He has to show what files he had, why he kept them and provide a paper trail for the ones he said he declassified to make sure all proper protocols were followed.

he doesn’t have to show anything

as far as declassification as president he is the executive branch, no paper trial is needed it’s declassify when he he says

 

[Care4all]

From your link.

This official information or material, referred to as classified information or material in this order, is expressly exempted from public disclosure by Section 552 (b) (1) of Title 5, United States Code. Wrongful disclosure of such information or material is recognized in the Federal Criminal Code as providing a basis for prosecution.

To ensure that such information and material is protected, but only to the extent and for such period as is necessary, this order identifies the information to be protected, prescribes classification, downgrading, declassification and safeguarding procedures to be followed, and establishes a monitoring system to ensure its effectiveness.

Yes! That is in there! What do you think it means and why did you post it?

There is a lot more in there too, that shows the steps that must be followed to declassify, along with the scheduled declassifications, by classified designation....i.e. Top Secret will automatically be declassified after 10 years, Secret level, after 8 years, Confidential level, after 6 years...

 

[Billy_Bob]

That doesn't mean he didn't commit one or more crimes.

SO you now admit this whole charade was a hope and poke for other crimes.... You people are treasonous bastards.

 

[struth]

Yes! That is in there! What do you think it means and why did you post it?

There is a lot more in there too, that shows the steps that must be followed to declassify, along with the scheduled declassifications, by classified designation....i.e. Top Secret will automatically be declassified after 10 years, Secret level, after 8 years, Confidential level, after 6 years...

the president can declassify anything he wants whenever he wants
As president he is the executive branch

 

[meaner gene]

Not one of the laws on the search warrant will survive the inclusion of the PRA. Trump cannot be charged with any crime because he didn't commit one under the PRA.

The PRA defines presidential records as government property. They left it to existing laws is USC to prosecute what was done with the government property.
Such as destruction of government property, misuse of government property, theft of government property. All depending on what the person did with PRA records.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Li

Really? List the 10, then!

with a link, pretty please!

I am sure you can find them. They have all been interviewed by FOX news over the last month

 

[Billy_Bob]

The PRA defines presidential records as government property. They left it to existing laws is USC to prosecute what was done with the government property.
Such as destruction of government property, misuse of government property, theft of government property. All depending on what the person did with PRA records.

IT also defines what an EX_PRESIDENT can hold on to LEGALLY. Now go play on a busy interstate highway,

 

[meaner gene]

If this is the new spin, that it's not about the documents being classified, what is the criminal statute that Trump can be charged under? Keeping in mind that they Presidential Records act is in no way a criminal statute, and search warrants are to find evidence of a crime.

So what do they have? Be specific with the statute numbers.

Thanks.

Judge Approves Trump's 'Special Master' Request

If part of Trump's defense lies on the assertion he took the affirmative action of declassifying the docs (the laws he broke don't depend on classification) then it is incumbent on the defense to prove it. 1) he said he did, he did, nothing else needs to be done 2) the claim by the doj is...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[jc456]

Yes! That is in there! What do you think it means and why did you post it?

There is a lot more in there too, that shows the steps that must be followed to declassify, along with the scheduled declassifications, by classified designation....i.e. Top Secret will automatically be declassified after 10 years, Secret level, after 8 years, Confidential level, after 6 years...

It’s sad what you think it means

 

[meaner gene]

I am sure you can find them. They have all been interviewed by FOX news over the last month

Did any of them give specific dates (at least approximations) of when and how they heard of Trumps "standing order".

Or are the claims from the 10 people just "hearsay". Which you know, doesn't stand up in court.

 

[jc456]

Did any of them give specific dates (at least approximations) of when and how they heard of Trumps "standing order".

Or are the claims from the 10 people just "hearsay". Which you know, doesn't stand up in court.

Now hearsay? Hahaha

 

[excalibur]

Considering the government's case is laid out in a 40 page document, yes. Speed reader?

That 40-pages was basically a political screed.

 

[meaner gene]

IT also defines what an EX_PRESIDENT can hold on to LEGALLY. Now go play on a busy interstate highway,

WTF? The PRA specifically says that ex-president, the moment he becomes ex-president loses all ownership to those records.
The only right an ex-president has, is invoking claims of executive privilege over the documents in National Archives possession.

And ironically, those records in FBI possession aren't included. Trump can't claim executive privilege over them. They're in executive possession, not in the National Archives.

 

[meaner gene]

Now hearsay? Hahaha

Yes hearsay. Non-direct knowledge of information. And not admissible in a court of law, because it is not primary evidence of anything, except to establish things like state of mind.

 

[jc456]

WTF? The PRA specifically says that ex-president, the moment he becomes ex-president loses all ownership to those records.
The only right an ex-president has, is invoking claims of executive privilege over the documents in National Archives possession.

And ironically, those records in FBI possession aren't included. Trump can't claim executive privilege over them. They're in executive possession, not in the National Archives.

Post that quote from it

 

[jc456]

Yes hearsay. Non-direct knowledge of information. And not admissible in a court of law, because it is not primary evidence of anything, except to establish things like state of mind.

But third hand hearsay is good!!! Hahaha

 

[meaner gene]

That 40-pages was basically a political screed.

First it was only 36 pages, proving you didn't even read it.
And your characterization of the contents is completely wrong.
It reads like many a DOJ document, like the original search warrant, or search warrant application.

 

[excalibur]

WTF? The PRA specifically says that ex-president, the moment he becomes ex-president loses all ownership to those records.
The only right an ex-president has, is invoking claims of executive privilege over the documents in National Archives possession.

And ironically, those records in FBI possession aren't included. Trump can't claim executive privilege over them. They're in executive possession, not in the National Archives.

The PRA contains no enforcement provision.

Hell, they negotiated with Nixon for years after he resigned from the office.

 

[excalibur]

First it was only 36 pages, proving you didn't even read it.
And your characterization of the contents is completely wrong.
It reads like many a DOJ document, like the original search warrant, or search warrant application.

How trite of you.

I read it, it was a political screed.

 

[meaner gene]

Post that quote from it

Quote from which? The PRA gives the ex-president control of records in National Archives possession as to executive privilege.
And court decisions specifically say that it's the current president who controls claims or executive privilege over all other government documents.