Judge Engeron should be disbarred for judicial misconduct.

[meaner gene]

I know what the fuck punitive damages are.

You already showed that 9:1 was the limit as per Campbell

I am pointing out that in all the cases I mentioned, that was not followed- not even close.

Campbell was a guideline, not an absolute.

At 145:1 it was orders of magnitude from reasonable.

and noted, "few awards exceeding a single-digit ratio between punitive and compensatory damages, to a significant degree, will satisfy due process.

That in no way places an absolute limit, but is determined case by case

Justices Scalia and Thomas argued that the Due Process Clause provides no substantive protections against excessive or unreasonable awards of punitive damages.

 

[Moonglow]

The Democrat handpicked hack judge Engeron should absolutely face disbarment along with Letitia James. The arbitrary judgements made by this nut job are so far beyond reasonable punitive damages, his conduct demands his removal from the courts. If you disagree, state why.

MSN

Since the shoe fits they must convict.

 

[martybegan]

So apologize for insinuating McConnell didn't say what he said. Or that I couldn't provide a quote.

What he said is meaningless.

Your attempted gotcha moment sucked.

 

[para bellum]

Campbell was a guideline, not an absolute.

At 145:1 it was orders of magnitude from reasonable.

and noted, "few awards exceeding a single-digit ratio between punitive and compensatory damages, to a significant degree, will satisfy due process.

That in no way places an absolute limit, but is determined case by case

Justices Scalia and Thomas argued that the Due Process Clause provides no substantive protections against excessive or unreasonable awards of punitive damages.

So you're backtracking then?

Is infinity okay as a multiplier? That's what Trump got.

$0.00 in compensatory damages (no restitution paid to any counter party) and $455 Million in punitive damages.

 

[meaner gene]

Lisa, I am not defending that award. I am saying that an $83 Million punitive award in that case is excessive.

$83.3M was the total. The punitive was $65M, based on compensatory of around $18M for a 3:1 ratio.

 

[meaner gene]

That's the State's "expert witness" stating his opinion. He was not a party to the transactions, and his statement was directly refuted by the actual parties involved.

All "expert" testimony is opinion. The judges judgement is "opinion" That's why they're called "legal opinions". But makes them no less binding in law.

 

[meaner gene]

So you're backtracking then?

Is infinity okay as a multiplier? That's what Trump got.

$0.00 in compensatory damages (no restitution paid to any counter party) and $455 Million in punitive damages.

The compensatory damages were under the disgorgement laws.

Just like if somebody shoplifts a $2 lottery ticket, that turns out to be a $1,000,000 winner.

They would be convicted of stealing $2. (criminally) but Civilly they would have to disgorge $1,000,002

 

[para bellum]

$83.3M was the total. The punitive was $65M, based on compensatory of around $18M for a 3:1 ratio.

Okay, I concede that one. The original award was $5 Mil. She went back for another bite at the apple a year later.

 

[para bellum]

The compensatory damages were under the disgorgement laws.

Just like if somebody shoplifts a $2 lottery ticket, that turns out to be a $1,000,000 winner.

They would be convicted of stealing $2. (criminally) but Civilly they would have to disgorge $1,000,002

That is a novel analogy, but it has absolutely no relation to this case, since Trump didn't steal anything from anyone, and everyone profited from the deals.

The only injured party here is Trump, who is the victim of a malicious prosecutor.

 

[para bellum]

All "expert" testimony is opinion. The judges judgement is "opinion" That's why they're called "legal opinions". But makes them no less binding in law.

And subject to appeal, as is the judge's decision to ignore the testimony of the parties in favor of the State's "expert".

Trump will not back down, he will take it all the way to the Supreme Court if he has to.

Capital will just seek a more favorable business environment until the case is settled.

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

Judge Engeron for SCOTUS!

Your boyfriend judge is a true WEIRDO! It's no wonder you like him. He gives me the creeps like Joe Biden.

 

[rightwinger]

Your boyfriend judge is a true WEIRDO! It's no wonder you like him. He gives me the creeps like Joe Biden.

He would make an outstanding Justice

Smart, Fair and LOVES America

 

[para bellum]

The compensatory damages were under the disgorgement laws.

Just like if somebody shoplifts a $2 lottery ticket, that turns out to be a $1,000,000 winner.

They would be convicted of stealing $2. (criminally) but Civilly they would have to disgorge $1,000,002

Also just to be clear, the $1 Million disgorgement of the lottery winnings would be returned to the lottery or sweepstakes or whoever was the lawful owner.

Again, Trump never stole anything from anyone, so awarding the State a disgorgement that they are not entitled to is not going stand up under scrutiny.

 

[Lisa558]

Also just to be clear, the $1 Million disgorgement of the lottery winnings would be returned to the lottery or sweepstakes or whoever was the lawful owner.

Again, Trump never stole anything from anyone, so awarding the State a disgorgement that they are not entitled to is not going stand up under scrutiny.

The Trump-haters are counting on the stupidity of the American voter. I hear comments that “now Trump will be forced to pay back NYers for what he owes them” and other such nonsense.

 

[para bellum]

The Trump-haters are counting on the stupidity of the American voter. I hear comments that “now Trump will be forced to pay back NYers for what he owes them” and other such nonsense.

If the appeals court doesn't cave, Trump should tell them to go pound sand. Let her try to seize the assets. They are all in separate LLC's and there will have to be a judicial foreclosure in the Commercial division for each one.

Each one will have other creditors and stakeholders and lease agreements to contend with, and he can drag those legal procedures out for years, and fight the appeal while that's happening in the background.

He is smart enough not to put all his eggs in one basket, and he has a lot of cash spread out over more than 300 LLC's. She doesn't have the resources to go after them all.

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

He would make an outstanding Justice

Smart, Fair and LOVES America

You'd make a great mannequin dummy who stands there frozen.

 

[rightwinger]

The Trump-haters are counting on the stupidity of the American voter. I hear comments that “now Trump will be forced to pay back NYers for what he owes them” and other such nonsense.

Trump is in Deep Shit

All because of his own bad decisions

 

[westwall]

Wrong. If the minor files a complaint the accused can be charged with rape of a child (not statutory rape) a more serious felony.

Children below the age of consent are NOT CAPABLE of making the decision to have sex or not. That's why laws protect them, pedo lover.

 

[para bellum]

Children below the age of consent are NOT CAPABLE of making the decision to have sex or not. That's why laws protect them, pedo lover.

And that is exactly where his analogy fails. New York is the banking capital of the world, and the bankers in New York are not so naive that they would take Trump's (or anyone else's) numbers and not do their own due diligence.

They explained all that, but it makes no difference because Trump had already lost before he ever entered the courtroom.

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

The Democrat handpicked hack judge Engeron should absolutely face disbarment along with Letitia James. The arbitrary judgements made by this nut job are so far beyond reasonable punitive damages, his conduct demands his removal from the courts. If you disagree, state why.

MSN

No , because it is going against Trump. Anything goes, and anything is forgiven as long as it is going to make sure Trump can't win. Doesn't matter what is done . Why don't deranged democrats just poison him or shoot him . The doj, fbi, will not assest the person that does the deed . It's rather obvious by now that anything at all is fair game when it comes to 45.