Judge Orders IRS to explain missing emails

[boedicca]

Not a smidgen of corruption....

He's actually right. There isn't a smidgen of corruption...there are Truckloads of Corruption in his administration.

Edit: h/t to westwall (great minds think alike!)

 

[TemplarKormac]

Now look here ya'll, ah done caught me some smidgens, now we can put some meat on those bones!

(Rings triangle bell)

Come and get it!

 

[Gadawg73]

All the Judge did was order Lerner to submit a sworn affidavit of how she lost the e-mails.
This administration has perfected the art of testifying while telling lies.
Submitting affidavits full of lies is a piece of cake for them.

 

[Gadawg73]

Having worked thousands of cases where a Judge ordered someone, especially someone in government, to do something one has to always take the Bird in Hand philosophy.
Until something is in hand there is nothing.
However, good to see someone demanding some accountability out of this regime.

 

[TemplarKormac]

All the Judge did was order Lerner to submit a sworn affidavit of how she lost the e-mails.
This administration has perfected the art of testifying while telling lies.
Submitting affidavits full of lies is a piece of cake for them.

And perjury is a crime. If she wants more trouble, she'll go ahead and lie to a Federal Judge.

 

[depotoo]

Having worked thousands of cases where a Judge ordered someone, especially someone in government, to do something one has to always take the Bird in Hand philosophy.
Until something is in hand there is nothing.
However, good to see someone demanding some accountability out of this regime.

I'm waiting to see what the judge in the True the Vote case does. The loss of these emails affects that case directly, and the irs had been ordered to preserve evidence before the email backup was written over. I believe tomorrow is a hearing on that case. Should be interesting.

 

[Gadawg73]

All the Judge did was order Lerner to submit a sworn affidavit of how she lost the e-mails.
This administration has perfected the art of testifying while telling lies.
Submitting affidavits full of lies is a piece of cake for them.

And perjury is a crime. If she wants more trouble, she'll go ahead and lie to a Federal Judge.

Perjury is rarely ever prosecuted and when it is not a serious case.
Unfortunate but all she will has to do it appears is just submit an affidavit of "I lost them".
I do not like it but this happens all the time.
And they may appeal it so this ain't over.
And without the e-mails how will the Judge know she is telling a lie?

 

[Gadawg73]

I hope they find them and heads roll for a while.

 

[boedicca]

Having worked thousands of cases where a Judge ordered someone, especially someone in government, to do something one has to always take the Bird in Hand philosophy.
Until something is in hand there is nothing.
However, good to see someone demanding some accountability out of this regime.

I'm waiting to see what the judge in the True the Vote case does. The loss of these emails affects that case directly, and the irs had been ordered to preserve evidence before the email backup was written over. I believe tomorrow is a hearing on that case. Should be interesting.

Cleta Mitchell, who represents TTV is an awesome lawyer. She's not going to roll over.

 

[TemplarKormac]

All the Judge did was order Lerner to submit a sworn affidavit of how she lost the e-mails.
This administration has perfected the art of testifying while telling lies.
Submitting affidavits full of lies is a piece of cake for them.

And perjury is a crime. If she wants more trouble, she'll go ahead and lie to a Federal Judge.

Perjury is rarely ever prosecuted and when it is not a serious case.
Unfortunate but all she will has to do it appears is just submit an affidavit of "I lost them".
I do not like it but this happens all the time.
And they may appeal it so this ain't over.
And without the e-mails how will the Judge know she is telling a lie?

I think he got some sort of magistrate, or expert on e-discovery in on it. If he finds them. She's toast.

 

[depotoo]

Having worked thousands of cases where a Judge ordered someone, especially someone in government, to do something one has to always take the Bird in Hand philosophy.
Until something is in hand there is nothing.
However, good to see someone demanding some accountability out of this regime.

I'm waiting to see what the judge in the True the Vote case does. The loss of these emails affects that case directly, and the irs had been ordered to preserve evidence before the email backup was written over. I believe tomorrow is a hearing on that case. Should be interesting.

Cleta Mitchell, who represents TTV is an awesome lawyer. She's not going to roll over.

Hope the judge doesn't. Heard anything about him/her?

 

[Vigilante]

And it is getting DEEPER my friends....share it with the communities you post on!

Lois Lerner Unwittingly Reveals IRS Instant Messaging System

RUSH: Lois Lerner has unwittingly revealed that the IRS had an internal instant messaging system above and beyond their e-mail system. So when she says that the dog ate her e-mails and that the computer crashed and it had seven months of e-mails or seven, whatever, however many disappeared, I don't remember 'cause it was bogus, it doesn't matter.
It turns out that the IRS has this internal messaging system sort of like the old prof notes in the old, old days of the Iran-Contra crisis. Old Microsoft stuff. I don't know what it is, but it was above and beyond e-mail and Lois Lerner was caught warning other IRS workers to be careful what they put in their e-mails because they might end up being seen. They might end up being subpoenaed so be careful what you put in your e-mails. And nobody, up until that moment, knew the IRS had its own private IM system.

Now, this is pretty amazing for several reasons. First, it shows that Lois Lerner was very concerned about what Congress might find in her e-mails and in her colleagues' e-mails and in her instant messages. This idea that, "There's nothing to hide, the server just crashed. I heard a guy on the radio, Limbaugh says it happens, and it happened to me." Yeah, well, it doesn't happen to this degree to anybody. Not this many servers, not this many different e-mails crash at the same time. Anyway, she was very concerned about what Congress might find. Therefore she was making efforts to hide what was in those e-mails, and she was warning her colleagues to be very careful about what they put in the e-mails.
So they're trying to hide things, there's no question. And she was concerned immediately after the inspector general at the IRS unearthed that they were targeting Tea Party people. Ms. Lerner was clearly concerned Congress would be able to search her e-mails and her instant messages, and when she was told that the instant messages were not automatically saved, she was relieved. Secondly, there's a story in Politico about this, and they mention in passing Congress didn't even know about the instant message system. Nobody did. She inadvertently revealed it.
So the bottom line to this is that all this talk about how the IRS has been thoroughly investigated, it's complete hogwash. It has not been thoroughly investigated because she just inadvertently admitted there's an entirely separate communication system internal in the IRS. Also note that we were not told whether any of the IMs have been preserved or not. And lastly, this smug commissioner, this John Koskinen fellow, he told Congress yesterday that he didn't know a thing about the IRS instant messaging system.
Hey, why would anybody think he would know? He's the commissioner. Instant message systems, that's the IT department, why would I know about any of that? That's so down the food chain I can't be distracted with details like that. Well, what does he know anything about? Bear in mind we were just told yesterday the IRS made $106 billion in fraudulent payments under his watch. I don't know what this guy does all day, but, by definition, by his own admission, he doesn't know anything.
He said (paraphrasing), "Hell, I just got here. I haven't been here all that long. This stuff all happened before I got here." This Regime is filled with a bunch of selfish children. They're all Bart Simpson. "I didn't do it. Nobody saw me. You can't prove anything." It all happened before they got there. Nobody, nobody, from Obama on down, wants to take any accountability for anything that happened.
Now, I understand this because they're trying to hide things that they're doing, they don't want people to know about. And they are utterly, apparently, very willing to portray themselves as incompetent fools in order to continue getting away with covering up what they're really doing, which ought to make everybody suspicious.
Most people are not willing to make themselves look like abject idiots. But the people in this administration don't care. If that will get them out of a tight spot, they're happy to be thought of as lamebrains, or inexperienced, or hapless, or, "Gee, we didn't know. We didn't know we had an instant messaging system in here." In normal circumstances this wouldn't even be close to being over. We will just have to see.
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Lois Lerner Unwittingly Reveals IRS Instant Messaging System - The Rush Limbaugh Show

OH, and just to remind everyone, since it's HARD to remember them, there are SOOOO MANY!

 

[ogibillm]

when this turns up nothing - as will it inevitably won't- how many of you will accept that finding?

 

[Vigilante]

when this turns up nothing - as will it inevitably won't- how many of you will accept that finding?

I assume this will be going on into the Republican president is inaugurated in 2017 before the TRUTH shall be revealed! WE CAN WAIT to have ....

BUT WILL SHE SPILL THE BEANS TO SAVE HER ASS?...

 

[depotoo]

when this turns up nothing - as will it inevitably won't- how many of you will accept that finding?

And when it turns up wrong doing will you be willing to accept it?

 

[The Rabbi]

when this turns up nothing - as will it inevitably won't- how many of you will accept that finding?

And when it turns up wrong doing will you be willing to accept it?

No. It will be a partisan judge doing the Tea Party's bidding to persecute Lerner.

 

[Gadawg73]

I'm waiting to see what the judge in the True the Vote case does. The loss of these emails affects that case directly, and the irs had been ordered to preserve evidence before the email backup was written over. I believe tomorrow is a hearing on that case. Should be interesting.

Cleta Mitchell, who represents TTV is an awesome lawyer. She's not going to roll over.

Hope the judge doesn't. Heard anything about him/her?

Only problem I have with Mitchell is she is a partisan lawyer but with most all the damn Democratic partisan lawyers on the other side in this thing her being partisan is a good thing in this case. However, sometimes that does not sit well with Judges, especially Federal Judges who want to see mediation and cooperation from both sides which is not coming from the IRS in this matter.
And I like her and a lot as just something about those folks from Oklahoma.
She is a winner, good luck to her. SIC EM!!!