Jurors in Manafort trial send judge four questions

[iceberg]

If he is found guilty there will be WALL TO WALL coverage.

If not it will barely be covered.

Unless it is a hung jury due to one "Trump Guy" holding out, then progressives will demand the end of juries, and all trials be decided by judges.

just not this judge. he's mean to mueller.

 

[iceberg]

The eighteen charges are carefully fashioned and well evidence.

The jury is doing its job in making sure it understands just what is "reasonable doubt."

If the jury finds Manafort guilty of most or all of the charges, the Alt and Trump right will demand an end to juries and resort to trial by judges.

show me one person on the right who has said if he's found guilty they will riot.

over-reaction and child like demands are a hallmark of the emo-left, not the alt-right.

 

[martybegan]

The eighteen charges are carefully fashioned and well evidence.

The jury is doing its job in making sure it understands just what is "reasonable doubt."

If the jury finds Manafort guilty of most or all of the charges, the Alt and Trump right will demand an end to juries and resort to trial by judges.

Nice job of plagiarizing and bastardizing my statement above, twat.

 

[iceberg]

The eighteen charges are carefully fashioned and well evidence.

The jury is doing its job in making sure it understands just what is "reasonable doubt."

If the jury finds Manafort guilty of most or all of the charges, the Alt and Trump right will demand an end to juries and resort to trial by judges.

Nice job of plagiarizing and bastardizing my statement above, twat.

you have to forgive some people. they can't think on their own so they steal a lot and call it clever.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

to me it sounds like someone or some people in the jury want to know how to put that against what meuller presented. does it apply or doesn't it? there must be some concerns around whether or not he did or this wouldn't come up. if some jurors were saying there was "reasonable doubt" it would come up. someone else would have to say "no there wasn't" - hence the clarification.

Apparently this is a fairly common questions for juries to ask and experts aren't seeing it as implying much anything one way or another. It's possible that without yet diving into the issues they had already reached a disagreeement between them as to the standard they are supposed to be seeking.

 

[iceberg]

to me it sounds like someone or some people in the jury want to know how to put that against what meuller presented. does it apply or doesn't it? there must be some concerns around whether or not he did or this wouldn't come up. if some jurors were saying there was "reasonable doubt" it would come up. someone else would have to say "no there wasn't" - hence the clarification.

Apparently this is a fairly common questions for juries to ask and experts aren't seeing it as implying much anything one way or another. It's possible that without yet diving into the issues they had already reached a disagreeement between them as to the standard they are supposed to be seeking.

agreed. on it's own it really doesn't mean much other than wanting clarity. that clarity can apply to it being met or not and we simply don't know that right now.

 

[martybegan]

The eighteen charges are carefully fashioned and well evidence.

The jury is doing its job in making sure it understands just what is "reasonable doubt."

If the jury finds Manafort guilty of most or all of the charges, the Alt and Trump right will demand an end to juries and resort to trial by judges.

Nice job of plagiarizing and bastardizing my statement above, twat.

you have to forgive some people. they can't think on their own so they steal a lot and call it clever.

Farkey is one of the worst posters on this board, and that's saying a lot.

 

[skews13]

The eighteen charges are carefully fashioned and well evidence.

The jury is doing its job in making sure it understands just what is "reasonable doubt."

If the jury finds Manafort guilty of most or all of the charges, the Alt and Trump right will demand an end to juries and resort to trial by judges.

show me one person on the right who has said if he's found guilty they will riot.

over-reaction and child like demands are a hallmark of the emo-left, not the alt-right.

Well isn’t that white of you. It’s a good thing you feel that way because you’re going to need all of your emotional energy for dotards trial

And Ivankas

And Jrs

And Jared’s

And Eric’s

And Kelly Anne’s

And Kelly’s

And Munchins

And Sessions

And.....

 

[DrLove]

I watched a bunch of legal experts attempt to read tea leaves on this last night. The opinions were all over the map.
One thing for sure - there won't be an acquittal on all charges and worst we get is hung jury and another trial (another judge too please)
Take THAT to the bank.

 

[dannyboys]

I have already predicted there will be a hung jury.
There are some jurors who are asking: "If Gates handled the money and has admitted to stealing hundreds of thousands from Manafort and given the fact that Mueller dropped all 22 charges against Gates to 'get Manafort to flip' AKA 'compose' against Trump how is this justice?".

 

[Obama2020]

I have already predicted there will be a hung jury.
There are some jurors who are asking: "If Gates handled the money and has admitted to stealing hundreds of thousands from Manafort and given the fact that Mueller dropped all 22 charges against Gates to 'get Manafort to flip' AKA 'compose' against Trump how is this justice?".

There’s always a bigger fish to catch

Some fisherman are lawyers lol

 

[JakeStarkey]

The eighteen charges are carefully fashioned and well evidence.

The jury is doing its job in making sure it understands just what is "reasonable doubt."

If the jury finds Manafort guilty of most or all of the charges, the Alt and Trump right will demand an end to juries and resort to trial by judges.

Nice job of plagiarizing and bastardizing my statement above, twat.

you have to forgive some people. they can't think on their own so they steal a lot and call it clever.

Spoofing Marty's material is so easy.

The jury will do a good, I believe, with the case that has been presented.

I am willing to accept the outcome if it goes for or against Manafort, but the Alt Right want and will support only one verdict.

 

[iceberg]

The eighteen charges are carefully fashioned and well evidence.

The jury is doing its job in making sure it understands just what is "reasonable doubt."

If the jury finds Manafort guilty of most or all of the charges, the Alt and Trump right will demand an end to juries and resort to trial by judges.

show me one person on the right who has said if he's found guilty they will riot.

over-reaction and child like demands are a hallmark of the emo-left, not the alt-right.

Well isn’t that white of you. It’s a good thing you feel that way because you’re going to need all of your emotional energy for dotards trial

And Ivankas

And Jrs

And Jared’s

And Eric’s

And Kelly Anne’s

And Kelly’s

And Munchins

And Sessions

And.....

you're gonna love puberty dude. expect some major changes.

 

[iceberg]

The eighteen charges are carefully fashioned and well evidence.

The jury is doing its job in making sure it understands just what is "reasonable doubt."

If the jury finds Manafort guilty of most or all of the charges, the Alt and Trump right will demand an end to juries and resort to trial by judges.

Nice job of plagiarizing and bastardizing my statement above, twat.

you have to forgive some people. they can't think on their own so they steal a lot and call it clever.

Spoofing Marty's material is so easy.

The jury will do a good, I believe, with the case that has been presented.

I am willing to accept the outcome if it goes for or against Manafort, but the Alt Right want and will support only one verdict.

and all pre-teens find that funny.

everything else you said is wrong.

 

[Avatar4321]

Jurors in Manafort trial send judge four questions, including asking him to redefine reasonable doubt

asking to define/redefine "reasonable doubt". now each side will twist this to mean he's guilty/innocent depending on what you thought before this question from the jury was asked, but what does it really mean?

to me it sounds like someone or some people in the jury want to know how to put that against what meuller presented. does it apply or doesn't it? there must be some concerns around whether or not he did or this wouldn't come up. if some jurors were saying there was "reasonable doubt" it would come up. someone else would have to say "no there wasn't" - hence the clarification.

that alone says someone is questioning that on the jury.

if manafort is failed to be charged with a majority of the 18 charges, mueller's case against trump takes a huge it and things start falling apart. i'm glad to see the jury take this seriously and ask these questions for their own clarification. we'll see what they decide hopefully soon so we can at least get this behind us.

The longer this goes on, the greater the chance of a hung jury on all or at least some of the charges.

I can see him getting convicted on some of the smaller ones, acquitted on some of the bigger ones, and hung juries on the ones in the middle.

White collar crimes are horrible for juries to figure out.

i'd have to admit i wouldn't be qualified to understand if all these shell companies or tax issues were or were not legal. but people like me are doing the best they can here and i hope they're following the letter of the law, not their emotions, in making their decisions. since they're asking some key questions to at least try and understand, it would appear so.

with 18 charges flung on the wall you'd think something has to stick and unfortunately that seems to have been their goal. throw enough darts to where at least some get the desired effect. to me those are "games" not a hunt for the truth but that's part of our legal system also and a tool for either side to use.

Only the most deluded hacks could determine he is innocent with the amount of paperwork showing the money and who owned it and where it came from. What Gates did it didn’t say or do is irrelevant.

The question all of the magamites should be asking themselves is who will pay the price down the road if he gets off?

So the jury are deluded hacks because despite their view far more evidence the you, they haven’t immediately reached your conclusion?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The eighteen charges are carefully fashioned and well evidence.

The jury is doing its job in making sure it understands just what is "reasonable doubt."

If the jury finds Manafort guilty of most or all of the charges, the Alt and Trump right will demand an end to juries and resort to trial by judges.

Nice job of plagiarizing and bastardizing my statement above, twat.

you have to forgive some people. they can't think on their own so they steal a lot and call it clever.

Spoofing Marty's material is so easy.

The jury will do a good, I believe, with the case that has been presented.

I am willing to accept the outcome if it goes for or against Manafort, but the Alt Right want and will support only one verdict.

and all pre-teens find that funny. everything else you said is wrong.

Attacking me instead of dealing with the OP only makes you look silly. Same with Marty.

Are you willing to accept the verdict?

 

[martybegan]

The eighteen charges are carefully fashioned and well evidence.

The jury is doing its job in making sure it understands just what is "reasonable doubt."

If the jury finds Manafort guilty of most or all of the charges, the Alt and Trump right will demand an end to juries and resort to trial by judges.

Nice job of plagiarizing and bastardizing my statement above, twat.

you have to forgive some people. they can't think on their own so they steal a lot and call it clever.

Spoofing Marty's material is so easy.

The jury will do a good, I believe, with the case that has been presented.

I am willing to accept the outcome if it goes for or against Manafort, but the Alt Right want and will support only one verdict.

The Alt right doesn't care, they are too busy being WP morons.

Regular people on the right (i.e. most people, even the ones you try to smear as alt right) know this is nothing more than a witch hunt.

 

[Avatar4321]

Jurors in Manafort trial send judge four questions, including asking him to redefine reasonable doubt

asking to define/redefine "reasonable doubt". now each side will twist this to mean he's guilty/innocent depending on what you thought before this question from the jury was asked, but what does it really mean?

to me it sounds like someone or some people in the jury want to know how to put that against what meuller presented. does it apply or doesn't it? there must be some concerns around whether or not he did or this wouldn't come up. if some jurors were saying there was "reasonable doubt" it would come up. someone else would have to say "no there wasn't" - hence the clarification.

that alone says someone is questioning that on the jury.

if manafort is failed to be charged with a majority of the 18 charges, mueller's case against trump takes a huge it and things start falling apart. i'm glad to see the jury take this seriously and ask these questions for their own clarification. we'll see what they decide hopefully soon so we can at least get this behind us.

All it's gonna take is one braindead tRumpkin who will refuse to believe anything bad about Cheeto Jesus and his associates to get us a hung jury.

I pretty much expect that to be the result.

Then mayne we can get a retrial with an unbiased and presenile judge.

It’s unlikely that the judge will change

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Only the most deluded hacks could determine he is innocent with the amount of paperwork showing the money and who owned it and where it came from. What Gates did it didn’t say or do is irrelevant.

The question all of the magamites should be asking themselves is who will pay the price down the road if he gets off?

Gates is their whole case, how can you say what he said or did is irrelevant?

Gates is not their whole case. Not by any measure.

Why you dopes continually argue from a position of ignorance is beyond me.

Saying that Manfort directed Gates to do all the things that happened IS their whole case. the documents themselves don't implicate Manfort directly enough to work without Gates' testimony, which is why he got such a plum deal to testify.

Saying that Manfort directed Gates to do all the things that happened IS their whole case. the documents themselves don't implicate Manfort directly enough to work without Gates' testimony, which is why he got such a plum deal to testify.

You're simply wrong. You obviously have not followed this trial at all.

And yet you provide no backup as to why I am wrong.

The reason for the jury to ask about reasonable doubt is because they have a choice between believing Gates or not.

No. Fifteen other people testified besides Gates. The fact that you continue to assert that it is all about Gates only highlights your ignorance of the trial.

 

[martybegan]

Gates is their whole case, how can you say what he said or did is irrelevant?

Gates is not their whole case. Not by any measure.

Why you dopes continually argue from a position of ignorance is beyond me.

Saying that Manfort directed Gates to do all the things that happened IS their whole case. the documents themselves don't implicate Manfort directly enough to work without Gates' testimony, which is why he got such a plum deal to testify.

Saying that Manfort directed Gates to do all the things that happened IS their whole case. the documents themselves don't implicate Manfort directly enough to work without Gates' testimony, which is why he got such a plum deal to testify.

You're simply wrong. You obviously have not followed this trial at all.

And yet you provide no backup as to why I am wrong.

The reason for the jury to ask about reasonable doubt is because they have a choice between believing Gates or not.

No. Fifteen other people testified besides Gates. The fact that you continue to assert that it is all about Gates only highlights your ignorance of the trial.

Gates is the crux of their case, because he was the one with the hands on the levers.

If the jury thinks he is just covering his own ass, you have reasonable doubt, and then at worst for Manfort a hung jury, at best acquittals.