Just a thought for Republicans that dislike Trump.

[JimBowie1958]

Republicans have broken voter turnout records in every state so far. I'm pretty sure that is the result of the Trump phenomenon. I'm also pretty sure a lot of his supporters will disappear with him if he loses the nomination. I know how much a lot of you dislike Trump, but at this point he is probably the best bet for a Republican win.

THere's gonna be HUUUUGE buyers remorse should Trump be selected. His tyrannical way of doing business is gonna turn folks against him quickly. Because MOST of his support is not looking for "deals".. They are looking to reduce the growth and restrain the power of Fed Govt. He's NOT a political reformer.

All all those "Great People" he owns and controls are not gonna put up his ego and flippant ways of making pronouncements and decisions. It's gonna be a disaster of EPIC proportions should he get elected.

Be damned certain of one thing. He is NOT intending to govern as a Republican or a Conservative or for that matter with ANY POLITICAL consistency. So when your only goal is winning, you are gonna LOSE every shred of party identity you own when he's done destroying your brand.


If this is the best BOTH parties are offering -- God help the United States of America..

Who was the last president to reduce the growth and restrain the power of the Federal Government? Reduce spending. Secure the border?

Donald Trump has said he's going to expand the military and not cut Medicare and SS.

Since those three are 70% of the budget, why do you think Trump would decrease spending?

He will in real dollars and as a share of the economy by the end of his second term, if there is a second term, God willing.

 

[Mac1958]

Donald Trump has said he's going to expand the military and not cut Medicare and SS. Since those three are 70% of the budget, why do you think Trump would decrease spending?

Damn you for actually doing the math and thinking this through.
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[elektra]

Trump is the Democrats trump card.

 

[Mac1958]

Trump is the Democrats trump card.

Honest Democrats are very concerned about Hillary, too.

This would be a very unstable and risky election.
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[Ray From Cleveland]

What is being shattered is the status quo of the GOP that is loaded with career fat cats and pundits who are scared shitless at the prospect of being summarily dismissed by the Trump wave. Trump won't get just 30% of the GOP and he will get Independents and Democrats and people who had given up but actually hear a glimmer of hope when Trump speaks.

Both parties have gone astray and made everything about politics instead of the people.

Give the Republican constituency some credit. With the support of Trump, we are trying to change the party. We too are sick of the status quo and the promises of change that never seem to happen. We're sick of being lied to and we're going to do something about it.

What are the Democrats doing? Nothing. They keep drifting further and further left to the point their current President was supported by the US Communist Party both elections and one of their top contenders for the nomination is an admitted Socialist.

 

[PredFan]

Republicans have broken voter turnout records in every state so far. I'm pretty sure that is the result of the Trump phenomenon. I'm also pretty sure a lot of his supporters will disappear with him if he loses the nomination. I know how much a lot of you dislike Trump, but at this point he is probably the best bet for a Republican win.

If it is Trump vs Hillary, he might lose, and I do mean might. A LOT of disappointed democrats will stay home giving him the edge, but a lot of republicans will also stay home. It will come down to how hated Hillary is. The independents might not vote for either.

If it's Trump vs Sanders then Trump wins no problem. Few Americans except the radical left will vote a socialist into office.

Rubio would beat both DNC candidates. Therefor I would have to disagree that Trump is the best bet.

 

[eagle1462010]

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Trump is the Democrats trump card.

I still don't trust him.............what you posted is exactly why I don't............but the mob is out for him..........and the establishment can't be trusted to fix this mess.............................

The Op is unfortunately correct though............he's playing the media and all...........will probably take it all.......................

 

[elektra]

What is being shattered is the status quo of the GOP that is loaded with career fat cats and pundits who are scared shitless at the prospect of being summarily dismissed by the Trump wave. Trump won't get just 30% of the GOP and he will get Independents and Democrats and people who had given up but actually hear a glimmer of hope when Trump speaks.

Both parties have gone astray and made everything about politics instead of the people.

Give the Republican constituency some credit. With the support of Trump, we are trying to change the party. We too are sick of the status quo and the promises of change that never seem to happen. We're sick of being lied to and we're going to do something about it.

What are the Democrats doing? Nothing. They keep drifting further and further left to the point their current President was supported by the US Communist Party both elections and one of their top contenders for the nomination is an admitted Socialist.

Yea, it is not like we are electing Al Sharpton, just a guy in business with him.

 

[elektra]

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Trump is the Democrats trump card.

I still don't trust him.............what you posted is exactly why I don't............but the mob is out for him..........and the establishment can't be trusted to fix this mess.............................

The Op is unfortunately correct though............he's playing the media and all...........will probably take it all.......................

Mexico, Japan, China is beating us on jobs, as Trump says, what Trump does not say is that it is because people supported Hillary and Bill Clinton, People like Trump! They are not beating us as much as we simply gave them our factories, that is what Trump does not say.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Donald Trump has said he's going to expand the military and not cut Medicare and SS. Since those three are 70% of the budget, why do you think Trump would decrease spending?

Damn you for actually doing the math and thinking this through.
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Mac, why do you think no one has yet done the math?

Most jobs taken since 2000 in the USA has gone to immigrants, legal and illegal. The vast majority of them are working to save money and take it home, not spend it here in the US. This is strangling the US consumer market, and meanwhile American citizens cant find work. Over 50% of STEM US citizens graduating in STEM fields cannot find a job in their career field, while 75% of entry level jobs are going to people here on guest worker visas.

If we would just enforce our immigration laws, we would see tens of millions of AMERICAN CITIZENS who love the US and plan on retiring in the USA taking jobs and spending their money here. That will grow the economy so fast it will surpass the Reagan economic revival.

The federal government will shrink as a percentage of the overall economy and that is the only way to reduce the federal government, proportionally via a growing economy.

My perception is that those who are reflective American citizens understand that this is how Trump is planning on 'reducing' the federal budget, though I am sure that there are also spending programs he plans to cut as well. But those will be largely symbolic.

 

[eagle1462010]

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Trump is the Democrats trump card.

I still don't trust him.............what you posted is exactly why I don't............but the mob is out for him..........and the establishment can't be trusted to fix this mess.............................

The Op is unfortunately correct though............he's playing the media and all...........will probably take it all.......................

Mexico, Japan, China is beating us on jobs, as Trump says, what Trump does not say is that it is because people supported Hillary and Bill Clinton, People like Trump! They are not beating us as much as we simply gave them our factories, that is what Trump does not say.

Trump is saying is protectionism and tariffs to negotiate by threatening higher cost coming back..............or to stop the rest from leaving...............he also states lowering the tax rates to stop inversion..............

The real question with Trump is he real or memorex....................

 

[JimBowie1958]

If it is Trump vs Hillary, he might lose, and I do mean might. A LOT of disappointed democrats will stay home giving him the edge, but a lot of republicans will also stay home. It will come down to how hated Hillary is. The independents might not vote for either.

If it's Trump vs Sanders then Trump wins no problem. Few Americans except the radical left will vote a socialist into office.

Rubio would beat both DNC candidates. Therefor I would have to disagree that Trump is the best bet.

Think about this as part of a dynamic process if you really want to anticipate what will eventually happen.

Right now Trump is going up in polls, and there is no reason to believe he has some fictional cap. People were saying that about Romney in 2012 as well and were proven wrong. Trump isnt polling high as a second choice, but he has been a lot of peoples third or forth choice behind idealistic candidates like Carson and Kasich.

Hillary is dropping in the polls as she shows the world she is a cheating cantankerous old hag, cheating Sanders, lying to authorities about her email and secured document handling and may be indicted just prior to the election. Her poll numbers will continue to drop.

Rubio is a provenliar, and though he has rising numbers, as people become more informed with his track record he will start hemorraging supporters.

Rubio is a loser no matter who yo put up against him. He even makes Hillary look honest.

 

[Correll]

Republicans have broken voter turnout records in every state so far. I'm pretty sure that is the result of the Trump phenomenon. I'm also pretty sure a lot of his supporters will disappear with him if he loses the nomination. I know how much a lot of you dislike Trump, but at this point he is probably the best bet for a Republican win.

If it is Trump vs Hillary, he might lose, and I do mean might. A LOT of disappointed democrats will stay home giving him the edge, but a lot of republicans will also stay home. It will come down to how hated Hillary is. The independents might not vote for either.

If it's Trump vs Sanders then Trump wins no problem. Few Americans except the radical left will vote a socialist into office.

Rubio would beat both DNC candidates. Therefor I would have to disagree that Trump is the best bet.

Trump will be attractive to the Working Class dems in the Rust Belt.

And the America were a admitted socialist would have no chance was the America we grew up in.

That's gone, or at least only part of the picture now.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Trump is saying is protectionism and tariffs to negotiate by threatening higher cost coming back..............or to stop the rest from leaving...............he also states lowering the tax rates to stop inversion..............

The real question with Trump is he real or memorex....................

It is not 'protectionism' to hit c heating trade partners with tariffs.

And since Trump has far more to gain by fallowing through on his promises, methinks he is not memorex.

 

[Correll]

Donald Trump has said he's going to expand the military and not cut Medicare and SS. Since those three are 70% of the budget, why do you think Trump would decrease spending?

Damn you for actually doing the math and thinking this through.
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Mac, why do you think no one has yet done the math?

Most jobs taken since 2000 in the USA has gone to immigrants, legal and illegal. The vast majority of them are working to save money and take it home, not spend it here in the US. This is strangling the US consumer market, and meanwhile American citizens cant find work. Over 50% of STEM US citizens graduating in STEM fields cannot find a job in their career field, while 75% of entry level jobs are going to people here on guest worker visas.

If we would just enforce our immigration laws, we would see tens of millions of AMERICAN CITIZENS who love the US and plan on retiring in the USA taking jobs and spending their money here. That will grow the economy so fast it will surpass the Reagan economic revival.

The federal government will shrink as a percentage of the overall economy and that is the only way to reduce the federal government, proportionally via a growing economy.

My perception is that those who are reflective American citizens understand that this is how Trump is planning on 'reducing' the federal budget, though I am sure that there are also spending programs he plans to cut as well. But those will be largely symbolic.

Just enforcing the laws is not enough. Legal immigrants are as much part of the problem.

 

[eagle1462010]

Trump is saying is protectionism and tariffs to negotiate by threatening higher cost coming back..............or to stop the rest from leaving...............he also states lowering the tax rates to stop inversion..............

The real question with Trump is he real or memorex....................

It is not 'protectionism' to hit c heating trade partners with tariffs.

And since Trump has far more to gain by fallowing through on his promises, methinks he is not memorex.

I have no problem with tariffs..............which is exactly what he's saying.............or threat thereof.................

I'm not convinced of memorex.................

 

[JimBowie1958]

Just enforcing the laws is not enough. Legal immigrants are as much part of the problem.

According to the guest worker program laws, the employers are supposed to be offering the jobs first to Americans. Not only is this not being enforced, some employers have made the sham so obvious that they have Americans train their guest worker replacements on the job.

Start enforcing those laws and fining employers and banning them from future guest workers and you will see that righted.

 

[Correll]

Just enforcing the laws is not enough. Legal immigrants are as much part of the problem.

According to the guest worker program laws, the employers are supposed to be offering the jobs first to Americans. Not only is this not being enforced, some employers have made the sham so obvious that they have Americans train their guest worker replacements on the job.

Start enforcing those laws and fining employers and banning them from future guest workers and you will see that righted.

SOunds good.

But no reason to not actually limit legal immigration, too.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I have no problem with tariffs..............which is exactly what he's saying.............or threat thereof.................

I'm not convinced of memorex.................

Imagine this. Trump is a reality TV star among and a real estate developer, not a politician who plans to get wealthy by taking corporate lobbyist donations. He has a thousand times that wealth already.

Lets think about how it would be if Trump leaves office in 2024 with all his promises delivered.

Imagine his popularity and how that would translate into book sales, give him an edge in negotiations in new deals and he could demand what ever he wanted as a TV star.

He would cash in so big he would make the Clintons look like paupers.

That is why he is not memorex.

 

[eagle1462010]

I have no problem with tariffs..............which is exactly what he's saying.............or threat thereof.................

I'm not convinced of memorex.................

Imagine this. Trump is a reality TV star among and a real estate developer, not a politician who plans to get wealthy by taking corporate lobbyist donations. He has a thousand times that wealth already.

Lets think about how it would be if Trump leaves office in 2024 with all his promises delivered.

Imagine his popularity and how that would translate into book sales, give him an edge in negotiations in new deals and he could demand what ever he wanted as a TV star.

He would cash in so big he would make the Clintons look like paupers.

That is why he is not memorex.

Politicians come in broke and go out wealthy all the time..................lobbyist make sure of that........he was a lobbyist....................gives reason to doubt..................which is hard to go yippie for Trump.............