Just to educate the idiot population about the Conferate Flag and Confederacy.

[JQPublic1]

Once upon a time there was an old party of the South called the Democrat Party.

Nope! It was the Democratic Party and it was comprised of virtually all white southereners and northern White workers

In the party of old there were good Democrats and bad Democrats.

Umm! that's a hard one. I'd have to say um... at that time the definition of good or bad democrats depended upon who was judging: blacks , white republicans or southern neighbors. Northern democrats would have been seen as the good ones by blacks... at least IMHO.

One day pixie dust fell from the sky and all the bad Democrats left the party and became Republicans. Over time of course. Not just in one day.

NOPE. You got it all wrong! There was no pixie dust. The only dust to be seen was that stirred up by the white southern exodus(t) from the democratic party to the GOP after democrats passed civil rights legislation. Many conservative democrats stayed put and became "blue dog democrats." Northern white democrats probably stayed democrat due to heavy union affiliation. That was smart. The average white southern worker threw in with the GOP against his own interests... that was DUMB!

You're telling the same old fairy tale Pogo just stretching out the time line.

It's no fairy tale. Most southern democrats flipped parties for the reasons noted. Don't make me post the map that deniers don't want to see: the one showing red states (republicans) and blue states (democrats). How do you think they got that way?

Because this fairy tale also assumes that all the Republicans who had been anti slavery and pro freedom all of a sudden, well over a bit of time became radical rabid racists who wanted to lynch every person of every color and couldn't get enough rope to kill all persons who weren't white.

That pixie dust is pretty incredible shit.

Is it? I have never tried it and don't plan to. After reading your posts, I think you should stay away from it too!

 

[tinydancer]

Oh please don't try that game with me that one magical night with pixie dust from on high that Republicans became Democrats and Democrats and Dixiecrats all became Republican.

It's a fairytale. A sad pathetic fairytale.

It didn't happen overnight but it most certainly happened. Adult remedial Social Studies 101 can help you make up for those skipped classes in high school.

The party membership changed while the attitudes remained in the regions. The confederate flag belongs to the attitude, not the party.

Well most Dixiecrats stayed Democrats. That's just a fact. If you want to believe in the fairytale that Republicans became Democrats and Democrats became Republicans well that's your choice.

But it's a fairy tale.

"Most Dixiecrats"? Here's the complete list of "Dixiecrats":

1. Strom Thurmond
2. Fielding Wright (Thurmond's running mate)

That's it. End of list. Two people.

Thurmond went Republican in 1964 after the CRA passed. Wright died in 1956, before either Civil Rights Act came up.

Thurmond had already been kicked off the state Democratic ballot for Senator ten years earlier after he endorsed Eisenhower over Stevenson in 1952.

So exactly 50% of "Dixiecrats" stayed kind-of Democrats, while the other 50% died.

Oh bite me that there were only two Dixiecrats! What are you smoking tonight Pogo?

Well? Got any more? Those were the only two offices they ran for -- POTUS and VPOTUS. One election.

Finally back in from Miracle growing and running the dog long enough to make some decent posts for a minute before I call it a day.

There were more than two. And as I said most of the Dixiecrats remained in the D column for the rest of their lives.

Here you go.

Notable members

Senators
§ (D)VA Harry F. Byrd, 1933-1965

§ (D)VA A. Willis Robertson, 1946-1966

§ (D)MS John C. Stennis, 1947-1989

§ (D)MS James O. Eastland, 1941-1941, 1943-1978

§ (D)LA Allen J. Ellender, 1937-1972

§ (D)LA Russell B. Long, 1948-1987

§ (D)OK Thomas Pryor Gore, 1906-1921, 1931-1937

§ (D)AL J. Lister Hill, 1938-1969

§ (D)AL John J. Sparkman, 1946-1979

§ (D)FL Spessard Holland, 1946-1971

§ (D)FL George Smathers, 1951-1969

§ (D)SC Olin D. Johnston, 1945-1965

§ (D,R)SC Strom Thurmond, 1954-1956, 1956-2003

§ (D)AR John McClellan, 1943-1977

§ (D)GA Richard B. Russell, Jr., 1933-1971

§ (D)GA Herman E. Talmadge, 1957-1981

§ (D)TN Herbert S. Walters, 1963-1964

State governors

§ Benjamin Travis Laney, Arkansas Governor

§ Fielding Wright, Mississippi Governor

§ Frank M. Dixon, Former Alabama Governor

§ William H. Murray, Former Oklahoma Governor

§ Mills E. Godwin Jr. Governor of Virginia

§ Orval Faubus, Governor of Arkansas (1955-1967) during the Little Rock Nine Crisis and presidential candidate.

Others
§ Floyd Spence state representative from South Carolina

(subsequently elected to U.S. House of Representatives)

§ Albert Watson while U.S. Representative from South Carolina

§ Walter Sillers Jr. Mississippi Speaker of the House

§ Harvey T. Ross, Mississippi State Legislature

§ Thomas P. Brady, Associate Justice of the Mississippi Supreme Court

§ Gessner T. McCorvey, Alabama state Democratic Executive Committee Chairman

§ Leander Perez, Parish Judge in St. Bernard Parish and political boss of the parish.

§ Horace C. Wilkinson, Birmingham attorney defender of the Klan and political "leader"

§ Ross Lillard

§ Tommy Irvin, Georgia Commissioner of Agriculture since 1972

§ John Kasper

§ Mrs. Anna B. Korn

§ Mrs. Ruth Lackey

§ Clark Hurd

§ William E. Jenner

§ Francis Haskell

§ John Oliver Emmerich, Speech writer

§ Hugh Roy Cullen

§ T. Coleman Andrews

§ John Steel Baston

§ Dr. Frazier

§ O. L. Penny

§ Clifton Ratlift

§ M. F. Ray

§ Howell Tankerbell

§ Thomas Jefferson Tubb

§ J.K. Wells

§ Barney Wolverton

§ Governor White

§ Thomas H. Werdel

Dixiecrat - The States Rights Democratic Party jacksonville.com

 

[tinydancer]

Once upon a time there was an old party of the South called the Democrat Party.

Nope! It was the Democratic Party and it was comprised of virtually all white southereners and northern White workers

In the party of old there were good Democrats and bad Democrats.

Umm! that's a hard one. I'd have to say um... at that time the definition of good or bad democrats depended upon who was judging: blacks , white republicans or southern neighbors. Northern democrats would have been seen as the good ones by blacks... at least IMHO.

One day pixie dust fell from the sky and all the bad Democrats left the party and became Republicans. Over time of course. Not just in one day.

NOPE. You got it all wrong! There was no pixie dust. The only dust to be seen was that stirred up by the white southern exodus(t) from the democratic party to the GOP after democrats passed civil rights legislation. Many conservative democrats stayed put and became "blue dog democrats." Northern white democrats probably stayed democrat due to heavy union affiliation. That was smart. The average white southern worker threw in with the GOP against his own interests... that was DUMB!

You're telling the same old fairy tale Pogo just stretching out the time line.

It's no fairy tale. Most southern democrats flipped parties for the reasons noted. Don't make me post the map that deniers don't want to see: the one showing red states (republicans) and blue states (democrats). How do you think they got that way?

Because this fairy tale also assumes that all the Republicans who had been anti slavery and pro freedom all of a sudden, well over a bit of time became radical rabid racists who wanted to lynch every person of every color and couldn't get enough rope to kill all persons who weren't white.

That pixie dust is pretty incredible shit.

Is it? I have never tried it and don't plan to. After reading your posts, I think you should stay away from it too!

See post #62.

 

[tinydancer]

And here's where this fairy tale falls apart.

If the old switcheroo happened that all the racist Dems became Republicans, why would the party of Lincoln, the anti slavery party, the equal rights party have not only accepted and embraced the racist Dems but then have thrown all their values that they had stood for and fought for decades for out the window and become the new Dixiecrat party.

Because that's what you are claiming if you are saying that the parties switched ideologies.

Man oh man, this is some freaking fairy tale.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Wow. The last pastor of my Church married Herman Talmadge and his wife... holy toledo... and his son Herman Talmadge III is a member of a facebook page I moderate.

 

[Pogo]

• There is no reference to the number of Democratic presidents who owned slaves. There were seven from 1800 through 1861

-- and if you insist on politics-as-football-game, there were no Republican Presidents in that time anyway. Nor could there have been any Democrat ones from 1800 to1828 since the party did not yet exist. In fact there were five Democratic Presidents from 1800 to 1861, not seven: Jackson, vanBuren, Polk, Pierce and Buchanan. Two of them owned slaves. I gotta wonder what kind of source you're using that can't even get a simple head count of Presidents.

On the other hand, the first Republican POTUS after the Civil War was Grant. Also a slaveowner. For what that's worth, which is nothing.

• There is no reference to the number of Democratic Party platforms that either supported segregation outright or were silent on the subject. There were 20, from 1868 through 1948.

Odd then that 1948 was the year several states walked out of the Democratic Convention specifically because they did NOT hear what they wanted to hear about "segregation".

Here's a fun fact:
In 1864, John C. Frémont -- who was the first Republican Presidential candidate in 1856 --- threatened to run a third-party campaign against Lincoln.... because the Republican platform would not adopt an anti-slavery plank.

• There is no reference to "Jim Crow" as in "Jim Crow laws," nor is there reference to the role Democrats played in creating them. These were the post-Civil War laws passed enthusiastically by Democrats in that pesky 52-year part of the DNC's missing years.

Those were laws passed by local legislators, not a party. List of Jim Crow laws "passed by Democrats" in Wisconsin? Massachusetts? California?

Exactly.

• These laws segregated public schools, public transportation, restaurants, rest rooms and public places in general (everything from water coolers to beaches). The reason Rosa Parks became famous is that she sat in the "whites only" front section of a bus, the "whites only" designation the direct result of Democrats.

It was the direct result of Alabama legislators. You keep leaving the regional part out. Where was the 'whites only" bus section put there by "Democrats" in New York? In Ohio? Michigan?

Exactly.

• There is no reference to the formation of the Ku Klux Klan, which, according to Columbia University historian Eric Foner, became "a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party."

There wouldn't be any mention since the KKK wasn't formed by any political party. The KKK was formed (12/24/1865) by Captain John C. Lester, Capt John B. Kennedy, Frank O. McCord, Calvin E. Jones, Richard R. Reed and James R. Crowe - six Confederate war vets with no political affiliation. That Klan was extinguished by 1880 but the second Klan was put together by William J. Simmons in Atlanta (1915). Simmons was a salesman ---- also no known political affiliation. Internet myths are not a substitute for history.

• Nor is there reference to University of North Carolina historian Allen Trelease's description of the Klan as the "terrorist arm of the Democratic Party."

That's just a restatement of the quote above this one.

And it's dependent on oversimplification, imagining a world where "the entity that fights Republicans must be Democrats". And it's also limited to the first Klan, the one of the 19th century, that was fighting Republican interlopers, newly freed blacks and carpetbagers. It does not and cannot refer to the second (and far bigger) Klan, which got Republican Governors, Senators, mayors and city council positions elected in Indiana, Colorado, Oregon and California. In other words when the KKK dabbled in politics at all it used whatever political party worked for that time and place.

• There is no reference to the fact Democrats opposed the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments to the Constitution. The 13th banned slavery.

• The 14th effectively overturned the infamous 1857 Dred Scott decision (made by Democratic pro-slavery Supreme Court justices) by guaranteeing due process and equal protection to former slaves.
  
• The 15th gave black Americans the right to vote.

Both Democrats and Republicans voted on both sides of those Amendments. Declaring one party did this, the other did that, is disingenuous. And at least the first two of those were being passed while 11 states were disenfranchised as a result of the War, which was part of the objections.

• There is no reference to the fact that Democrats opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1866. It was passed by the Republican Congress over the veto of President Andrew Johnson, who had been a Democrat before joining Lincoln's ticket in 1864.

See above about disenfranchised states. "In his veto message, he [Pres. Johnson] objected to the measure because it conferred citizenship on the freedmen at a time when 11 out of 36 states were unrepresented in the Congress, and that it discriminated in favor of African-Americans and against whites" (--Wiki) .... what we would call today "affirmative action".

• The law was designed to provide blacks with the right to own private property, sign contracts, sue and serve as witnesses in a legal proceeding.There is no reference to the Democrats' opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1875.
• It was passed by a Republican Congress and signed into law by President Ulysses Grant. The law prohibited racial discrimination in public places and public accommodations.

Again ---

All I could find was a vote of 162-99 (HoR) and 38-26 (Senate). No indication who's who.

• There is no reference to the Democrats' 1904 platform, which devotes a section to "Sectional and Racial Agitation," claiming the GOP's protests against segregation and the denial of voting rights to blacks sought to "revive the dead and hateful race and sectional animosities in any part of our common country," which in turn "means confusion, distraction of business, and the reopening of wounds now happily healed."

You want a listing of every year's political platforms?
for this?

• There is no reference to four Democratic platforms, 1908-20, that are silent on blacks, segregation, lynching and voting rights as racial problems in the country mount.

• By contrast the GOP platforms of those years specifically address "Rights of the Negro" (1908), oppose lynching (in 1912, 1920, 1924, 1928) and, as the New Deal kicks in, speak out about the dangers of making blacks "wards of the state."

• There is no reference to the Democratic Convention of 1924, known to history as the "Klanbake." The 103-ballot convention was held in Madison Square Garden. Hundreds of delegates were members of the Ku Klux Klan, the Klan so powerful that a plank condemning Klan violence was defeated outright.

The Klan was there to scuttle the nomination of Oscar Underwood, Senator from Alabama, who had vociferously denounced the Klan. This was three years after the Klan had worked to get Governor Walton removed from Oklahoma after Walton -- a Democrat -- tried to drive the Klan out following the infamous Tulsa Race Riots.

• To celebrate, the Klan staged a rally with 10,000 hooded Klansmen in a field in New Jersey directly across the Hudson from the site of the convention.
  
• Attended by hundreds of cheering convention delegates, the rally featured burning crosses and calls for violence against African-Americans and Catholics.

And? That's what the Klan did. They also attacked Jews, communists and loose women. One time they pulled a woman out of her house and whipped her for "not going to church". The Klan were the American Taliban. Not sure what it's got to do with political parties though.

• There is no reference to the fact that it was Democrats who segregated the federal government, at the direction of President Woodrow Wilson upon taking office in 1913. There \is a reference to the fact that President Harry Truman integrated the military after World War II.

Wilson was not "The Democrats", he was one person, a racist asshole who fucked up a world of shit, even extending the Russian Revolution by keeping troops there. By the time 1920 came he was so unpopular that Harding barely had to campaign at all and won the biggest landslide ever up to that time.

• There is reference to the fact that Democrats created the Federal Reserve Board, passed labor and child welfare laws, and created Social Security with Wilson's New Freedom and FDR's New Deal.
  
  
  
• There is no mention that these programs were created as the result of an agreement to ignore segregation and the lynching of blacks. Neither is there a reference to the thousands of local officials, state legislators, state governors, U.S. congressmen and U.S. senators who were elected as supporters of slavery and then segregation between 1800 and 1965.

Again, the DP didn't exist before 1828. I seriously question where you're pulling this shit from. And again, about that "agreement"....

• Nor is there reference to the deal with the devil that left segregation and lynching as a way of life in return for election support for three post-Civil War Democratic presidents, Grover Cleveland, Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt.

• There is no reference that three-fourths of the opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Bill in the U.S. House came from Democrats, or that 80% of the "nay" vote in the Senate came from Democrats.

That's straight-out bullshit. And I'll post it separately.

 

[JQPublic1]

Here's a list from my stack of stuff that WSJ came up with that was missing from D history at the website. Lots more at the link. I want to stay within the copyright rules of the board.

That D=Conservative at the time: Hence:
So what's missing?

• There is no reference to the number of Conservative platforms supporting slavery. There were six from 1840 through 1860.
  
  
• is no reference to the number of Conservative presidents who owned slaves. There were seven from 1800 through 1861
  
  
• is no reference to the number of Conservative platforms that either supported segregation outright or were silent on the subject. There were 20, from 1868 through 1948.
  
  
• is no reference to "Jim Crow" as in "Jim Crow laws," nor is there reference to the role Conservatives played in creating them. These were the post-Civil War laws passed enthusiastically by Conservatives in that pesky 52-year part of the DNC's missing years.
  
  
• laws segregated public schools, public transportation, restaurants, rest rooms and public places in general (everything from water coolers to beaches). The reason Rosa Parks became famous is that she sat in the "whites only" front section of a bus, the "whites only" designation the direct result of Conservatives.
  
  
• There is no reference to the formation of the Ku Klux Klan, which, according to Columbia University historian Eric Foner, became "a military force serving the interests of the Conservative Party."
  
  
• Nor is there reference to University of North Carolina historian Allen Trelease's description of the Klan as the "terrorist arm of the Conservative Party."
  
  
• There is no reference to the fact Conservatives opposed the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments to the Constitution. The 13th banned slavery.
  
  
• The 14th effectively overturned the infamous 1857 Dred Scott decision (made by Conservative pro-slavery Supreme Court justices) by guaranteeing due process and equal protection to former slaves.
  
  
• The 15th gave black Americans the right to vote.
  
  
• There is no reference to the fact that Conservatives opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1866. It was passed by the Republican Congress over the veto of President Andrew Johnson, who had been a Democrat before joining Lincoln's ticket in 1864.
  
  
• The law was designed to provide blacks with the right to own private property, sign contracts, sue and serve as witnesses in a legal proceeding.There is no reference to the Conservatives' opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1875.It was passed by a liberal Congress and signed into law by President Ulysses Grant. The law prohibited racial discrimination in public places and public accommodations.
  
  
  
• There is no reference to the Conservatives' 1904 platform, which devotes a section to "Sectional and Racial Agitation," claiming the GOP's protests against segregation and the denial of voting rights to blacks sought to "revive the dead and hateful race and sectional animosities in any part of our common country," which in turn "means confusion, distraction of business, and the reopening of wounds now happily healed."
  
  
  
• There is no reference to four Conservative platforms, 1908-20, that are silent on blacks, segregation, lynching and voting rights as racial problems in the country mount.
  
  
• By contrast the GOP platforms of those years specifically address "Rights of the Negro" (1908), oppose lynching (in 1912, 1920, 1924, 1928) and, as the New Deal kicks in, speak out about the dangers of making blacks "wards of the state."
  
  
• There is no reference to the Conservative Convention of 1924, known to history as the "Klanbake." The 103-ballot convention was held in Madison Square Garden. Hundreds of delegates were members of the Ku Klux Klan, the Klan so powerful that a plank condemning Klan violence was defeated outright.
  
  
• To celebrate, the Klan staged a rally with 10,000 hooded Klansmen in a field in New Jersey directly across the Hudson from the site of the convention.
  
  
• Attended by hundreds of cheering convention delegates, the rally featured burning crosses and calls for violence against African-Americans and Catholics.
  
  
• There is no reference to the fact that it was Conservatives who segregated the federal government, at the direction of President Woodrow Wilson upon taking office in 1913. There \is a reference to the fact that President Harry Truman integrated the military after World War II.
  
  
• There is reference to the fact that Democrats created the Federal Reserve Board, passed labor and child welfare laws, and created Social Security with Wilson's New Freedom and FDR's New Deal.
  
  
• There is no mention that these programs were created as the result of an agreement to ignore segregation and the lynching of blacks. Neither is there a reference to the thousands of local officials, state legislators, state governors, U.S. congressmen and U.S. senators who were elected as supporters of slavery and then segregation between 1800 and 1965.
  
  
• Nor is there reference to the deal with the devil that left segregation and lynching as a way of life in return for election support for three post-Civil War Conservative presidents, Grover Cleveland, Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt.
  
  
• There is no reference that three-fourths of the opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Bill in the U.S. House came from Conservatives, or that 80% of the "nay" vote in the Senate came from Conservatives.
  
  
• Certainly there is no reference to the fact that the opposition included future Conservative Senate leader Robert Byrd of West Virginia (a former Klan member) and Tennessee Senator Albert Gore Sr., father of Vice President Al Gore.
  
  
• Last but certainly not least, there is no reference to the fact that Birmingham, Ala., Public Safety Commissioner Bull Connor, who infamously unleashed dogs and fire hoses on civil rights protestors, was in fact--yes indeed--a member of both the Conservative National Committee and the Ku Klux Klan

 

[SwimExpert]

It was placed over state capitals and on state flags to protest desegregation.

Yeah, no racism there.

By Democrat Governors correct?

Generally. So why the fuck are Republicans so in love with it? Take down the symbol of Democrat bullshittery!!

 

[Pogo]

• There is no reference that three-fourths of the opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Bill in the U.S. House came from Democrats, or that 80% of the "nay" vote in the Senate came from Democrats.

That's straight-out bullshit. And I'll post it separately.

And here it is as promised:

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
• >>> ALL SOUTHERNERS: 7-97 (6.7%--93.3%)

• Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94 – 6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85 – 15%)
• >>> ALL NORTHERNERS: 283-33 (89.6%--11.4%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%)
• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%)
• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)
• ALL SOUTHERNERS: 1--21 (4.5%--95.5%)
• ALL NORTHERNERS: 72--6 (92.3%--7.7%)

Yes, there is a party pattern in that each line shows more support from the D side than the R side (94 to 85). But again, not significant.

But 96 on one side versus 92 on the other side?? You just hit the motherlode. BIG time.

The numbers don't lie; your pattern is clearly there but it's regional, not political. And regional, once again for you slow readers who can't think of a point on your own, means cultural.

You take the numbers from the North -- both Dems and Repubs are for it.
You take the numbers from the South -- both Dems and Repubs are agin' it.
It's truly bipartisan in both directions. (!)

And to think people bitch about "gridlock".

Canard obliterated. /offtopic

And FWIW it was right after this that whiner Strom Thurmond took his balls and went to the unthinkable and joined the RP. Followed by Lott, Helms, Duke and a cast of thousands.

You cannot dumb this shit down into the equivalent of what some baseball team did in 1894 and therefore.... whatever. Political parties are not some kind of solid. They're liquid, and of course gaseous, but never solid. They shift with the winds according to whatever will work getting votes.

Regional culture, however, doesn't shift like that. It grabs whatever political party will get them traction at the time. And in the case of the South, it's always been conservative. It was just a matter of getting the Lincoln taste out of its mouth before it could bolt.

 

[SwimExpert]

Because that's what you are claiming if you are saying that the parties switched ideologies.

Man oh man, this is some freaking fairy tale.

Strom Thurmond.

Of course, many people on this board who spout the bullshit you do are fucking idiots who believe it, because they're too stupid to comprehend the truth. You're not one of those people. You know damn well that the parties realigned over the course of several decades, as different coalitions pressed different priorities at different respective times. You just say this shit because you're a piece of shit.

 

[Lumpy 1]

It was placed over state capitals and on state flags to protest desegregation.

Yeah, no racism there.

By Democrat Governors correct?

Generally. So why the fuck are Republicans so in love with it? Take down the symbol of Democrat bullshittery!!

Actually at 10:00 a.m. Friday it will be removed and suddenly there will be zero racism in the country, just legions of Democratic Party race baiters will remain. After-all Democrats can't run on their record of success so divisive politics works to split the country and get those Democratic Party fear votes.

South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley Signs Law to Remove Confederate Flag From Capitol - WSJ

 

[JQPublic1]

Once upon a time there was an old party of the South called the Democrat Party.

Nope! It was the Democratic Party and it was comprised of virtually all white southereners and northern White workers

In the party of old there were good Democrats and bad Democrats.

Umm! that's a hard one. I'd have to say um... at that time the definition of good or bad democrats depended upon who was judging: blacks , white republicans or southern neighbors. Northern democrats would have been seen as the good ones by blacks... at least IMHO.

One day pixie dust fell from the sky and all the bad Democrats left the party and became Republicans. Over time of course. Not just in one day.

NOPE. You got it all wrong! There was no pixie dust. The only dust to be seen was that stirred up by the white southern exodus(t) from the democratic party to the GOP after democrats passed civil rights legislation. Many conservative democrats stayed put and became "blue dog democrats." Northern white democrats probably stayed democrat due to heavy union affiliation. That was smart. The average white southern worker threw in with the GOP against his own interests... that was DUMB!

You're telling the same old fairy tale Pogo just stretching out the time line.

It's no fairy tale. Most southern democrats flipped parties for the reasons noted. Don't make me post the map that deniers don't want to see: the one showing red states (republicans) and blue states (democrats). How do you think they got that way?

Because this fairy tale also assumes that all the Republicans who had been anti slavery and pro freedom all of a sudden, well over a bit of time became radical rabid racists who wanted to lynch every person of every color and couldn't get enough rope to kill all persons who weren't white.

That pixie dust is pretty incredible shit.

Is it? I have never tried it and don't plan to. After reading your posts, I think you should stay away from it too!

See post #62.

I saw it and I am not impressed. So putting 20 to 30 names of politicians who sis not flip is supposed to make us think we are colorblind when we look at political maps that automatically debunk everything you are saying.

Let me put it simply! We aren't really talking about a relatively few Dixiecrats switching parties as much as we are talking about the millions of average joe southerners who switched. But even those who did switch held on to those social values that still and always did lie at the heart of the southern brand of conservatism and tradition. Race, of course ,is the cornerstone of that worldview.

 

[Lumpy 1]

 

[auditor0007]

Get yourselves an education if you're even capable of reading:

"Black Confederates" by Charles Kelly Barrow

"Black Sourherners in Confederate Armies" by J.H. Segars

"Slavery was it the cause of the war between the states" by Gene Kizer Jr.

"Everything you were taught about the Civil War is Wrong" by Lochlainn Seabrook

"Why I wave the Confederate Flag, written by a black man" by Anthony Hervey

"Black Southerners in Gray" by Arthur W. Bergeron & Thomas Y. Cartwright



Don't believe the radical communists desecration of the Confederacy or comply with their indoctrination in their efforts to turn America into the former Soviet Union.

Here ya go!

And a pickup in every driveway!

Ignorant lowlifes.......

Oh come on now; the flag on the right represents their southern heritage, and the flag on the left represents their devout faith to socialism.

 

[idb]

He really should have consulted with his member states.
For example Mississippi in their declaration of secession wrote

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.

 

[idb]

South Carolina wrote

A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

 

[auditor0007]

It was placed over state capitals and on state flags to protest desegregation.

Yeah, no racism there.

By Democrat Governors correct?

Pre or post 1960's?

Oh please don't try that game with me that one magical night with pixie dust from on high that Republicans became Democrats and Democrats and Dixiecrats all became Republican.

It's a fairytale. A sad pathetic fairytale.

Well, it didn't happen in one night, and it certainly didn't involve pixie dust, but yea, that is exactly what happened and everyone knows it.

 

[idb]

Texas

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time.

 

[tinydancer]

Because that's what you are claiming if you are saying that the parties switched ideologies.

Man oh man, this is some freaking fairy tale.

Strom Thurmond.

Of course, many people on this board who spout the bullshit you do are fucking idiots who believe it, because they're too stupid to comprehend the truth. You're not one of those people. You know damn well that the parties realigned over the course of several decades, as different coalitions pressed different priorities at different respective times. You just say this shit because you're a piece of shit.

Oh so one man came from the Dixiecrats and changed the course of history within the Republican anti slavery, pro equality party. Yuppers old Strom waltzed in and just took over a whole party that had been dedicated to equality.

Almost all the Dixiecrats though stayed with the Democrats and magically with pixie dust became pro black.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Prove it.

Historically.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Just to educate the idiot population about the Conferate Flag and Confederacy."

The only thing idiotic is you and others on the ridiculous right having a moronic meltdown over a non-issue.

No one is advocating the flag be 'banned,' private citizens are at liberty to display the flag in any venue they so desire, and as for the flag at the South Carolina state capitol building, that specific and particular flag represented contempt for the Constitution and its case law and support of segregation, where it was appropriately removed by the state government as a form of state speech.