Justifiable use of deadly force or not?

[U2Edge]

So how many people in the United States have been given the DEATH PENALTY for pushing someone to the ground?

Pushing someone onto the pavement is reasonable belief of great bodily harm.

So if your son pushes another boy onto the ground in the school yard, its ok if the boy pushed to the ground pulls out a gun and shoots him, killing him?

 

[ozro]

Let the court and a jury decide.

How would you decide if you were on the jury based on the video evidence?

I honestly do not know, as the information in a news article surely leaves out important details that will be revealed during a trial.

The video, that is part of the new article shows the ENTIRE incident. There are no other details that are relevant. Its all there. The jury will be making their decision on the video evidence which you can view from the article. The youtube link does not show the whole incident, but the news article has video that does.

So you would be in favor of no trial, got it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Justifiable use of deadly force or not?

In the link below is an article with a video that shows a "stand your ground" incident in Clearwater Florida. A women illegally parked in a handicapped spot and got into an argument with a man who confronted her about it. The women's boyfriend, who was in the store at the time, comes out to see the argument and pushes the man to the ground. With the man on the ground he pulls out a gun and aims at the man who assaulted him. The man who committed the assault then backs up. Despite backing away, the man fires his gun anyways hitting the man in the chest. The injured man then runs into the store where he collapses on the ground and dies in front of his five your old son.


My opinion:

Both the women and her boyfriend committed illegal acts which led to the incident. But, I do not feel the man who was assaulted was justified in shooting his attacker. The Attacker had backed off after the gun was pulled. Parking in handicap spot and pushing someone to the ground or both illegal, but punishment for those actions would never warrant the death penalty. Had the attacker continued to assault or move towards the man pushed to the ground, then you might have a case where shooting the gun might be warranted. But that is not what happened. The attacker backed away after the gun was pulled. Then he was shot and killed, dying in front of his five year old son in the store. The man has two other children as well.

I've seen people get pushed to the ground like that in the school yard. Its wrong, you have a right to defend yourself. But in this case, taking another mans life was NOT justified. Call the police and the film of the incident would be enough evidence to punish the attacker in an appropriate manner.

The article and video of the incident are in the link below:

https://nypost.com/2018/07/20/stand...r-in-deadly-fight-over-parking-space-sheriff/

media link from youtube:

You’re entitled to your opinion but it’s legally irrelevant and factually wrong.

Pursuant to Florida law the shooting was lawful – whether ‘justified’ or not is also irrelevant; Florida SYG doctrine doesn’t require ‘justification,’ all that’s required is for the shooter to have a reasonable fear that his well-being or life was in jeopardy.

In another state the same use of deadly force might be unlawful.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Then let us watch as it plays out in the Fla court system

Stand your ground.
Case dismissed.

In my case, that is what happened. There was still a trial.

Not necessarily.
The video itself is enough to not press charges based on Florida law.

 

[OODA_Loop]

How about being afraid because someone is yelling at you an appears aggressive? You think its legal to shoot someone if their just yelling at you because it makes you feel afraid? What if the person is AFRAID because of the way someone looks?

Cant shoot in FL

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I would not be surprised if there is a Trial. Why? George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin!

There was no video in that case.

 

[ozro]

Then let us watch as it plays out in the Fla court system

Stand your ground.
Case dismissed.

In my case, that is what happened. There was still a trial.

Not necessarily.
The video itself is enough to not press charges based on Florida law.

And, a court will decide that.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

So how many people in the United States have been given the DEATH PENALTY for pushing someone to the ground?

Pushing someone onto the pavement is reasonable belief of great bodily harm.

So if your son pushes another boy onto the ground in the school yard, its ok if the boy pushed to the ground pulls out a gun and shoots him, killing him?

Since when do five year olds pack heat?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Let the court and a jury decide.

There will be neither as the shooter was not charged.

 

[U2Edge]

Justified. If the guy on the ground was in fear of his safety.

So as long as your afraid, your justified in taking another mans life? Taking another mans life is dependent on your emotional state?

The guy assaulted him.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Would it be ok for a child to do this on the play ground? Since when does the punishment for assault involve the DEATH PENALTY? Has anyone ever been given the death penalty for pushing a man to the ground in the United States?

Hmmm....I may have missed that part, did someone die?

Yes, the attacker after pushing the man to the ground was shot by the man on the ground and died in the story in front of his five year old son. The attacker BACKED away once the man on the ground pulled out his gun.

 

[kaz]

Justified. If the guy on the ground was in fear of his safety.

Didn't watch the video, did you? I'm a strong second amendment supporter, but that was just murder. There was no rational self defense. I'd call it first degree murder given that the guy clearly was trying to create that exact situation

 

[OODA_Loop]

So if your son pushes another boy onto the ground in the school yard, its ok if the boy pushed to the ground pulls out a gun and shoots him, killing him?

Reasonable people do not view children pushing on yards = threat of great bodily harm or death.

Children cant lawfully posses firearms.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Then let us watch as it plays out in the Fla court system

Stand your ground.
Case dismissed.

In my case, that is what happened. There was still a trial.

Not necessarily.
The video itself is enough to not press charges based on Florida law.

And, a court will decide that.

The DA will look at the video and decide if it was self defense.
If he thinks it wasnt there will be a trial and the guy will walk based on stand your ground and fear for his life.

 

[kaz]

Let the court and a jury decide.

There will be neither as the shooter was not charged.

I thought it said they were still deciding. He should be charged minimum second degree murder. I'd convict him of first degree murder based on the film given that he was repeatedly trying to stage that scenario

 

[U2Edge]

So how many people in the United States have been given the DEATH PENALTY for pushing someone to the ground?

Pushing someone onto the pavement is reasonable belief of great bodily harm.

So if your son pushes another boy onto the ground in the school yard, its ok if the boy pushed to the ground pulls out a gun and shoots him, killing him?

Since when do five year olds pack heat?

13 year old's often do. Sometimes its easy to take Daddy's gun to school for show and tell as well as other purposes.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Justified. If the guy on the ground was in fear of his safety.

So as long as your afraid, your justified in taking another mans life? Taking another mans life is dependent on your emotional state?

Correct.

And that one had reason to be afraid.

Again, this pertains solely to Florida and other states with similar SYG doctrine.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Justified. If the guy on the ground was in fear of his safety.

So as long as your afraid, your justified in taking another mans life? Taking another mans life is dependent on your emotional state?

The guy assaulted him.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Would it be ok for a child to do this on the play ground? Since when does the punishment for assault involve the DEATH PENALTY? Has anyone ever been given the death penalty for pushing a man to the ground in the United States?

Hmmm....I may have missed that part, did someone die?

Yes, the attacker after pushing the man to the ground was shot by the man on the ground and died in the story in front of his five year old son. The attacker BACKED away once the man on the ground pulled out his gun.

It doesnt matter what you believe.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

So how many people in the United States have been given the DEATH PENALTY for pushing someone to the ground?

Pushing someone onto the pavement is reasonable belief of great bodily harm.

So if your son pushes another boy onto the ground in the school yard, its ok if the boy pushed to the ground pulls out a gun and shoots him, killing him?

Since when do five year olds pack heat?

13 year old's often do. Sometimes its easy to take Daddy's gun to school for show and tell as well as other purposes.

But thats not what happened.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Yes, the attacker after pushing the man to the ground was shot by the man on the ground and died in the story in front of his five year old son. The attacker BACKED away once the man on the ground pulled out his gun.

Son part irrelevent.

You have some traction on the backing part. Slightly.

But it was not a retreat and you dont know what was said .... dude on ground was reasonable at the time to conclude attack would continue

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

 

[miketx]

Justified. If the guy on the ground was in fear of his safety.

Didn't watch the video, did you? I'm a strong second amendment supporter, but that was just murder. There was no rational self defense. I'd call it first degree murder given that the guy clearly was trying to create that exact situation

Of course I watched the video. We cannot hear what was said if anything but it happened fast. I don't think the the shooter was wrong. Did he have to shoot him? We don't know, maybe not, but what we do know is that he did shoot him after being violently knocked to the ground. If that had not happened, he would not have gotten shot. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree!