Justin Amash forms exploratory team for 3rd party run

[Kevin_Kennedy]

This would be a dream come true. He would most definitely have my vote.

(CNN)Justin Amash, a former Republican-turned independent congressman from Michigan, said Wednesday that he stopped actively campaigning for his House seat in mid-February as he has been considering running for president as a libertarian.

"He has been discussing the potential campaign with his family, his friends, his team, and others, and a decision can be expected soon," Amash's campaign said in a statement.

Justin Amash discussing 'potential campaign' for president and will make decision 'soon'

Justin Amash, a former Republican-turned independent congressman from Michigan, said Wednesday that he stopped actively campaigning for his House seat in mid-February as he has been considering running for president as a libertarian.

www.cnn.com

I won't. The choice is between Trump and Biden. A vote for anyone else is a vote for Trump. Trump must go.

Good luck with that. The rest of us can happily laugh at either of those clowns.

I will presume you're a Cheap Labor Slave Wage Globalist,
If not, please explain why you're different than any other Libertarian.

You need to work on your openers.

Every Libertarian I know and see on Fox is a Cheap Labor Slave Wage Globalist.
I asked a simple question and you provided an ad hominem.
Very not Libertarian of you.

I'm sure what you know of libertarianism could fit into a thimble. Regardless, when you open with a variation of, "Are you a piece of human trash like every other libertarian I've heard of..." you can't really expect anyone to care what you think.

I have more than enough Libertarians in my suburban town.
They say the US should not intervene in other nations business but that a business can do whatever it wants unfettered by any level of governmental law.
They are also complete scumbags when it comes to how they treat their employees and the chain of labor.

Do you fit into the scumbag category?
If you don't, simply say so.
If you provide yet another ad hominem, it means I touched a raw nerve and Libertarians are supposedly pure Logic.

Did you know that libertarians, along with the rest of the logical population, do not believe that you get to define what anyone else's response means?

You are admitting no two libertarians define themselves the same way.
Thus, the label "Libertarian" is meaningless.
Unfortunately, the Libertarians I know all think in concert because all they truly want is money!
By the way, Libertarians love police.

Libertarians are individualists? No two people think exactly the same way? Big if true.

So don't expect what you expect if a Libertarian ever becomes President.

I don't expect a Libertarian to ever become president. Or, rather, I don't expect a libertarian to ever become president.

Only because most American voters are too stupid. They are stuck in the duopoly and can’t get out.

Maybe. Maybe it's primarily because election laws written by Republicans and Democrats purposefully and unfairly exclude other parties and independent candidates. Maybe it's primarily because the American system can really only fit two broad-spectrum political parties. Maybe we're just bad at promoting ourselves electorally. Whatever the case may be, a genuine libertarian will never be President of the United States.

Can you describe a Libertarian town?

No. But don't get excited. It's because I don't understand what you're asking me to begin with, and because you've already demonstrated that you're only interested in trashing libertarians rather than discussing the subject.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Two things: The Libertarian Party convention is currently scheduled to be at the end of May, so it's a little late to be announcing now but he's by far the biggest name of the bunch running so that's a decided advantage. That said, delegates may not like that he waited until the last minute to join the party when he could have done the moment he left the Republican Party. Secondly, Amash is from Michigan. It's possible he could cost Trump the state this go around. That's what he might bring to this election.

Actually being a turncoat makes even more unelectable with Republicans

 

[DrLove]

I guess Justin wants to give the Short-Fingered Vulgarian a second term. Not real smart dude.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Sounds good to me. He's an independent who is often more aligned with conservatives. Throw him in there and take away the Never Trumper republicans.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Two things: The Libertarian Party convention is currently scheduled to be at the end of May, so it's a little late to be announcing now but he's by far the biggest name of the bunch running so that's a decided advantage. That said, delegates may not like that he waited until the last minute to join the party when he could have done the moment he left the Republican Party. Secondly, Amash is from Michigan. It's possible he could cost Trump the state this go around. That's what he might bring to this election.

Actually being a turncoat makes even more unelectable with Republicans

Ok.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I have more than enough Libertarians in my suburban town.
They say the US should not intervene in other nations business but that a business can do whatever it wants unfettered by any level of governmental law.
They are also complete scumbags when it comes to how they treat their employees and the chain of labor.

Do you fit into the scumbag category?
If you don't, simply say so.
If you provide yet another ad hominem, it means I touched a raw nerve and Libertarians are supposedly pure Logic.

I really don't know how you expect to have any meaningful dialogue with anybody if this is the way you are going to characterize people. Why don't you grow up

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Sounds good to me. He's an independent who is often more aligned with conservatives. Throw him in there and take away the Never Trumper republicans.

The Never Trumpers who would have voted for Biden?

 

[DrLove]

Sounds good to me. He's an independent who is often more aligned with conservatives. Throw him in there and take away the Never Trumper republicans.

The Never Trumper Republicans will vote for Biden if Justin isn't running. And hence the problem. Hey I like the guy. I like him better than Biden. But the reality is he can't win, he'll split the vote and Trump will get a catastrophic second term.

 

[DrLove]

I have more than enough Libertarians in my suburban town.
They say the US should not intervene in other nations business but that a business can do whatever it wants unfettered by any level of governmental law.
They are also complete scumbags when it comes to how they treat their employees and the chain of labor.

Do you fit into the scumbag category?
If you don't, simply say so.
If you provide yet another ad hominem, it means I touched a raw nerve and Libertarians are supposedly pure Logic.

I really don't know how you expect to have any meaningful dialogue with anybody if this is the way you are going to characterize people. Why don't you grow up

Thanks for reminding me why I gave that one the swirly

 

[Indeependent]

This would be a dream come true. He would most definitely have my vote.

(CNN)Justin Amash, a former Republican-turned independent congressman from Michigan, said Wednesday that he stopped actively campaigning for his House seat in mid-February as he has been considering running for president as a libertarian.

"He has been discussing the potential campaign with his family, his friends, his team, and others, and a decision can be expected soon," Amash's campaign said in a statement.

Justin Amash discussing 'potential campaign' for president and will make decision 'soon'

Justin Amash, a former Republican-turned independent congressman from Michigan, said Wednesday that he stopped actively campaigning for his House seat in mid-February as he has been considering running for president as a libertarian.

www.cnn.com

I won't. The choice is between Trump and Biden. A vote for anyone else is a vote for Trump. Trump must go.

Good luck with that. The rest of us can happily laugh at either of those clowns.

I will presume you're a Cheap Labor Slave Wage Globalist,
If not, please explain why you're different than any other Libertarian.

You need to work on your openers.

Every Libertarian I know and see on Fox is a Cheap Labor Slave Wage Globalist.
I asked a simple question and you provided an ad hominem.
Very not Libertarian of you.

I'm sure what you know of libertarianism could fit into a thimble. Regardless, when you open with a variation of, "Are you a piece of human trash like every other libertarian I've heard of..." you can't really expect anyone to care what you think.

I have more than enough Libertarians in my suburban town.
They say the US should not intervene in other nations business but that a business can do whatever it wants unfettered by any level of governmental law.
They are also complete scumbags when it comes to how they treat their employees and the chain of labor.

Do you fit into the scumbag category?
If you don't, simply say so.
If you provide yet another ad hominem, it means I touched a raw nerve and Libertarians are supposedly pure Logic.

Did you know that libertarians, along with the rest of the logical population, do not believe that you get to define what anyone else's response means?

You are admitting no two libertarians define themselves the same way.
Thus, the label "Libertarian" is meaningless.
Unfortunately, the Libertarians I know all think in concert because all they truly want is money!
By the way, Libertarians love police.

Libertarians are individualists? No two people think exactly the same way? Big if true.

So don't expect what you expect if a Libertarian ever becomes President.

I don't expect a Libertarian to ever become president. Or, rather, I don't expect a libertarian to ever become president.

Only because most American voters are too stupid. They are stuck in the duopoly and can’t get out.

Maybe. Maybe it's primarily because election laws written by Republicans and Democrats purposefully and unfairly exclude other parties and independent candidates. Maybe it's primarily because the American system can really only fit two broad-spectrum political parties. Maybe we're just bad at promoting ourselves electorally. Whatever the case may be, a genuine libertarian will never be President of the United States.

Can you describe a Libertarian town?

No. But don't get excited. It's because I don't understand what you're asking me to begin with, and because you've already demonstrated that you're only interested in trashing libertarians rather than discussing the subject.

I trash everybody because everybody loves any political ideology that suits their perceived needs.

I have had many discussions with libertarians who state, to my face, that only those who can pay for it should have access to a police department and fire department.
They don't want to pay taxes for sidewalks, paved roads, hydrants, stops signs, highway, tunnel or bridges.
They want wells rather a water department.
They say if they need something they will save up for whatever they need and only get it once they can afford it.

In other words, they are insane.

 

[Indeependent]

I have more than enough Libertarians in my suburban town.
They say the US should not intervene in other nations business but that a business can do whatever it wants unfettered by any level of governmental law.
They are also complete scumbags when it comes to how they treat their employees and the chain of labor.

Do you fit into the scumbag category?
If you don't, simply say so.
If you provide yet another ad hominem, it means I touched a raw nerve and Libertarians are supposedly pure Logic.

I really don't know how you expect to have any meaningful dialogue with anybody if this is the way you are going to characterize people. Why don't you grow up

When's the last time you had a discussion with a libertarian?
They were in heaven at the height of GW's sending all of out jobs overseas and importing Business Visas.
Every libertarian on FoxNews was in heaven when millions of people were laid off and their investments skyrocketed.
You expect me to present a reality I didn't experience?

 

[Indeependent]

I have more than enough Libertarians in my suburban town.
They say the US should not intervene in other nations business but that a business can do whatever it wants unfettered by any level of governmental law.
They are also complete scumbags when it comes to how they treat their employees and the chain of labor.

Do you fit into the scumbag category?
If you don't, simply say so.
If you provide yet another ad hominem, it means I touched a raw nerve and Libertarians are supposedly pure Logic.

I really don't know how you expect to have any meaningful dialogue with anybody if this is the way you are going to characterize people. Why don't you grow up

Thanks for reminding me why I gave that one the swirly

Yeah...one of the guys who says Trump is the worst President in US history.
You really carry a lot of weight in Reality Land!

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

This would be a dream come true. He would most definitely have my vote.

(CNN)Justin Amash, a former Republican-turned independent congressman from Michigan, said Wednesday that he stopped actively campaigning for his House seat in mid-February as he has been considering running for president as a libertarian.

"He has been discussing the potential campaign with his family, his friends, his team, and others, and a decision can be expected soon," Amash's campaign said in a statement.

Justin Amash discussing 'potential campaign' for president and will make decision 'soon'

Justin Amash, a former Republican-turned independent congressman from Michigan, said Wednesday that he stopped actively campaigning for his House seat in mid-February as he has been considering running for president as a libertarian.

www.cnn.com

I won't. The choice is between Trump and Biden. A vote for anyone else is a vote for Trump. Trump must go.

Good luck with that. The rest of us can happily laugh at either of those clowns.

I will presume you're a Cheap Labor Slave Wage Globalist,
If not, please explain why you're different than any other Libertarian.

You need to work on your openers.

Every Libertarian I know and see on Fox is a Cheap Labor Slave Wage Globalist.
I asked a simple question and you provided an ad hominem.
Very not Libertarian of you.

I'm sure what you know of libertarianism could fit into a thimble. Regardless, when you open with a variation of, "Are you a piece of human trash like every other libertarian I've heard of..." you can't really expect anyone to care what you think.

I have more than enough Libertarians in my suburban town.
They say the US should not intervene in other nations business but that a business can do whatever it wants unfettered by any level of governmental law.
They are also complete scumbags when it comes to how they treat their employees and the chain of labor.

Do you fit into the scumbag category?
If you don't, simply say so.
If you provide yet another ad hominem, it means I touched a raw nerve and Libertarians are supposedly pure Logic.

Did you know that libertarians, along with the rest of the logical population, do not believe that you get to define what anyone else's response means?

You are admitting no two libertarians define themselves the same way.
Thus, the label "Libertarian" is meaningless.
Unfortunately, the Libertarians I know all think in concert because all they truly want is money!
By the way, Libertarians love police.

Libertarians are individualists? No two people think exactly the same way? Big if true.

So don't expect what you expect if a Libertarian ever becomes President.

I don't expect a Libertarian to ever become president. Or, rather, I don't expect a libertarian to ever become president.

Only because most American voters are too stupid. They are stuck in the duopoly and can’t get out.

Maybe. Maybe it's primarily because election laws written by Republicans and Democrats purposefully and unfairly exclude other parties and independent candidates. Maybe it's primarily because the American system can really only fit two broad-spectrum political parties. Maybe we're just bad at promoting ourselves electorally. Whatever the case may be, a genuine libertarian will never be President of the United States.

Can you describe a Libertarian town?

No. But don't get excited. It's because I don't understand what you're asking me to begin with, and because you've already demonstrated that you're only interested in trashing libertarians rather than discussing the subject.

I trash everybody because everybody loves any political ideology that suits their perceived needs.

I have had many discussions with libertarians who state, to my face, that only those who can pay for it should have access to a police department and fire department.
They don't want to pay taxes for sidewalks, paved roads, hydrants, stops signs, highway, tunnel or bridges.
They want wells rather a water department.
They say if they need something they will save up for whatever they need and only get it once they can afford it.

In other words, they are insane.

Ok

 

[Indeependent]

This would be a dream come true. He would most definitely have my vote.

(CNN)Justin Amash, a former Republican-turned independent congressman from Michigan, said Wednesday that he stopped actively campaigning for his House seat in mid-February as he has been considering running for president as a libertarian.

"He has been discussing the potential campaign with his family, his friends, his team, and others, and a decision can be expected soon," Amash's campaign said in a statement.

Justin Amash discussing 'potential campaign' for president and will make decision 'soon'

Justin Amash, a former Republican-turned independent congressman from Michigan, said Wednesday that he stopped actively campaigning for his House seat in mid-February as he has been considering running for president as a libertarian.

www.cnn.com

I won't. The choice is between Trump and Biden. A vote for anyone else is a vote for Trump. Trump must go.

Good luck with that. The rest of us can happily laugh at either of those clowns.

I will presume you're a Cheap Labor Slave Wage Globalist,
If not, please explain why you're different than any other Libertarian.

You need to work on your openers.

Every Libertarian I know and see on Fox is a Cheap Labor Slave Wage Globalist.
I asked a simple question and you provided an ad hominem.
Very not Libertarian of you.

I'm sure what you know of libertarianism could fit into a thimble. Regardless, when you open with a variation of, "Are you a piece of human trash like every other libertarian I've heard of..." you can't really expect anyone to care what you think.

I have more than enough Libertarians in my suburban town.
They say the US should not intervene in other nations business but that a business can do whatever it wants unfettered by any level of governmental law.
They are also complete scumbags when it comes to how they treat their employees and the chain of labor.

Do you fit into the scumbag category?
If you don't, simply say so.
If you provide yet another ad hominem, it means I touched a raw nerve and Libertarians are supposedly pure Logic.

Did you know that libertarians, along with the rest of the logical population, do not believe that you get to define what anyone else's response means?

You are admitting no two libertarians define themselves the same way.
Thus, the label "Libertarian" is meaningless.
Unfortunately, the Libertarians I know all think in concert because all they truly want is money!
By the way, Libertarians love police.

Libertarians are individualists? No two people think exactly the same way? Big if true.

So don't expect what you expect if a Libertarian ever becomes President.

I don't expect a Libertarian to ever become president. Or, rather, I don't expect a libertarian to ever become president.

Only because most American voters are too stupid. They are stuck in the duopoly and can’t get out.

Maybe. Maybe it's primarily because election laws written by Republicans and Democrats purposefully and unfairly exclude other parties and independent candidates. Maybe it's primarily because the American system can really only fit two broad-spectrum political parties. Maybe we're just bad at promoting ourselves electorally. Whatever the case may be, a genuine libertarian will never be President of the United States.

Can you describe a Libertarian town?

No. But don't get excited. It's because I don't understand what you're asking me to begin with, and because you've already demonstrated that you're only interested in trashing libertarians rather than discussing the subject.

I trash everybody because everybody loves any political ideology that suits their perceived needs.

I have had many discussions with libertarians who state, to my face, that only those who can pay for it should have access to a police department and fire department.
They don't want to pay taxes for sidewalks, paved roads, hydrants, stops signs, highway, tunnel or bridges.
They want wells rather a water department.
They say if they need something they will save up for whatever they need and only get it once they can afford it.

In other words, they are insane.

Ok

Please inform me that there are Libertarians who don't fit this description.
Perhaps some on One America News?
Keep in mind that I watched FoxNews and listened to Rush & Hannity everyday during GW's 8 years of selling out the US.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

This would be a dream come true. He would most definitely have my vote.

(CNN)Justin Amash, a former Republican-turned independent congressman from Michigan, said Wednesday that he stopped actively campaigning for his House seat in mid-February as he has been considering running for president as a libertarian.

"He has been discussing the potential campaign with his family, his friends, his team, and others, and a decision can be expected soon," Amash's campaign said in a statement.

Justin Amash discussing 'potential campaign' for president and will make decision 'soon'

Justin Amash, a former Republican-turned independent congressman from Michigan, said Wednesday that he stopped actively campaigning for his House seat in mid-February as he has been considering running for president as a libertarian.

www.cnn.com

I won't. The choice is between Trump and Biden. A vote for anyone else is a vote for Trump. Trump must go.

Good luck with that. The rest of us can happily laugh at either of those clowns.

I will presume you're a Cheap Labor Slave Wage Globalist,
If not, please explain why you're different than any other Libertarian.

You need to work on your openers.

Every Libertarian I know and see on Fox is a Cheap Labor Slave Wage Globalist.
I asked a simple question and you provided an ad hominem.
Very not Libertarian of you.

I'm sure what you know of libertarianism could fit into a thimble. Regardless, when you open with a variation of, "Are you a piece of human trash like every other libertarian I've heard of..." you can't really expect anyone to care what you think.

I have more than enough Libertarians in my suburban town.
They say the US should not intervene in other nations business but that a business can do whatever it wants unfettered by any level of governmental law.
They are also complete scumbags when it comes to how they treat their employees and the chain of labor.

Do you fit into the scumbag category?
If you don't, simply say so.
If you provide yet another ad hominem, it means I touched a raw nerve and Libertarians are supposedly pure Logic.

Did you know that libertarians, along with the rest of the logical population, do not believe that you get to define what anyone else's response means?

You are admitting no two libertarians define themselves the same way.
Thus, the label "Libertarian" is meaningless.
Unfortunately, the Libertarians I know all think in concert because all they truly want is money!
By the way, Libertarians love police.

Libertarians are individualists? No two people think exactly the same way? Big if true.

So don't expect what you expect if a Libertarian ever becomes President.

I don't expect a Libertarian to ever become president. Or, rather, I don't expect a libertarian to ever become president.

Only because most American voters are too stupid. They are stuck in the duopoly and can’t get out.

Maybe. Maybe it's primarily because election laws written by Republicans and Democrats purposefully and unfairly exclude other parties and independent candidates. Maybe it's primarily because the American system can really only fit two broad-spectrum political parties. Maybe we're just bad at promoting ourselves electorally. Whatever the case may be, a genuine libertarian will never be President of the United States.

Can you describe a Libertarian town?

No. But don't get excited. It's because I don't understand what you're asking me to begin with, and because you've already demonstrated that you're only interested in trashing libertarians rather than discussing the subject.

I trash everybody because everybody loves any political ideology that suits their perceived needs.

I have had many discussions with libertarians who state, to my face, that only those who can pay for it should have access to a police department and fire department.
They don't want to pay taxes for sidewalks, paved roads, hydrants, stops signs, highway, tunnel or bridges.
They want wells rather a water department.
They say if they need something they will save up for whatever they need and only get it once they can afford it.

In other words, they are insane.

Ok

Please inform me that there are Libertarians who don't fit this description.
Perhaps some on One America News?
Keep in mind that I watched FoxNews and listened to Rush & Hannity everyday during GW's 8 years of selling out the US.

Am I being detained?

 

[Indeependent]

This would be a dream come true. He would most definitely have my vote.

(CNN)Justin Amash, a former Republican-turned independent congressman from Michigan, said Wednesday that he stopped actively campaigning for his House seat in mid-February as he has been considering running for president as a libertarian.

"He has been discussing the potential campaign with his family, his friends, his team, and others, and a decision can be expected soon," Amash's campaign said in a statement.

Justin Amash discussing 'potential campaign' for president and will make decision 'soon'

Justin Amash, a former Republican-turned independent congressman from Michigan, said Wednesday that he stopped actively campaigning for his House seat in mid-February as he has been considering running for president as a libertarian.

www.cnn.com

I won't. The choice is between Trump and Biden. A vote for anyone else is a vote for Trump. Trump must go.

Good luck with that. The rest of us can happily laugh at either of those clowns.

I will presume you're a Cheap Labor Slave Wage Globalist,
If not, please explain why you're different than any other Libertarian.

You need to work on your openers.

Every Libertarian I know and see on Fox is a Cheap Labor Slave Wage Globalist.
I asked a simple question and you provided an ad hominem.
Very not Libertarian of you.

I'm sure what you know of libertarianism could fit into a thimble. Regardless, when you open with a variation of, "Are you a piece of human trash like every other libertarian I've heard of..." you can't really expect anyone to care what you think.

I have more than enough Libertarians in my suburban town.
They say the US should not intervene in other nations business but that a business can do whatever it wants unfettered by any level of governmental law.
They are also complete scumbags when it comes to how they treat their employees and the chain of labor.

Do you fit into the scumbag category?
If you don't, simply say so.
If you provide yet another ad hominem, it means I touched a raw nerve and Libertarians are supposedly pure Logic.

Did you know that libertarians, along with the rest of the logical population, do not believe that you get to define what anyone else's response means?

You are admitting no two libertarians define themselves the same way.
Thus, the label "Libertarian" is meaningless.
Unfortunately, the Libertarians I know all think in concert because all they truly want is money!
By the way, Libertarians love police.

Libertarians are individualists? No two people think exactly the same way? Big if true.

So don't expect what you expect if a Libertarian ever becomes President.

I don't expect a Libertarian to ever become president. Or, rather, I don't expect a libertarian to ever become president.

Only because most American voters are too stupid. They are stuck in the duopoly and can’t get out.

Maybe. Maybe it's primarily because election laws written by Republicans and Democrats purposefully and unfairly exclude other parties and independent candidates. Maybe it's primarily because the American system can really only fit two broad-spectrum political parties. Maybe we're just bad at promoting ourselves electorally. Whatever the case may be, a genuine libertarian will never be President of the United States.

Can you describe a Libertarian town?

No. But don't get excited. It's because I don't understand what you're asking me to begin with, and because you've already demonstrated that you're only interested in trashing libertarians rather than discussing the subject.

I trash everybody because everybody loves any political ideology that suits their perceived needs.

I have had many discussions with libertarians who state, to my face, that only those who can pay for it should have access to a police department and fire department.
They don't want to pay taxes for sidewalks, paved roads, hydrants, stops signs, highway, tunnel or bridges.
They want wells rather a water department.
They say if they need something they will save up for whatever they need and only get it once they can afford it.

In other words, they are insane.

Ok

Please inform me that there are Libertarians who don't fit this description.
Perhaps some on One America News?
Keep in mind that I watched FoxNews and listened to Rush & Hannity everyday during GW's 8 years of selling out the US.

Am I being detained?

No...you are not answering a very straight forward question; and you don't have to answer because we have the last 10 years to analyze why any extreme is bad.
Libertarians allow the market to control society.
Which means the wealthy control the society...and only the wealthy.
Some wealthy people are very fine humans...most aren't.
The fact is that there is no perfect solution, whether driven by legislation or driven by assets.

 

[Redcurtain]

He could take democrat votes more then republicans

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Biden has yet to pick a VP. Table him until he does.

 

[aaronleland]

It's hard to tell whose votes he'd siphon. Democrats don't like him because he's a conservative, and Republicans don't like him because he's actually a conservative.

 

[Redcurtain]