Kasich-Hickenlooper eye Bid for 2020: Mixed Ticket for President and VP?

[HappyJoy]

I'm all for some sort of Unity ticket, sounds good. Who wins the debates in the White House? Say abortion? The President or the Vice President who has little power?

What is the platform for a Kasich/Hickenlooper ticket? Wouldn't that matter before you blindly throw your support for this ticket based on name only?

i'm for a unity ticket as well, Kasich and retirement.

Just keep pushing them away, ok?

 

[usmbguest5318]

Though I'm almost certain Trump will face a primary challenge, I fear that too many Republicans will enter the race and allow the incumbency effect to carry Trump to his second GOP nomination.

When was the last time an incumbent Republican President faced a primary challenger? It doesn't happen very often with either party. Last one I recall was when Teddy Kennedy ran against Carter.

When was the last time an incumbent Republican President faced a primary challenger?

1992, George H.W. Bush was challenged by Pat Buchanan. George W. Bush did not face a primary challenger.

 

[Borillar]

Kasich is a wish-washy faggot with a severe mouth tick and an eating problem. He shovels food into his fat mouth in the same gluttonous way he shoveled the pork to his home district when he was in Congress.

He's a professional politician with no accomplishments in the real world.

Fuck him and everyone like him. He IS the problem.

DRAIN THE SWAMP!!

Really? You're worried about Kasich's eating when you have the fattest president since Taft? One who has been using the government to enrich himself? If the "swamp" gets drained, where is the swamp's biggest alligator going to live?

 

[Borillar]

That is NOT a mixed ticket. It's a leftist ticket

Only to someone who is pretty far right.

 

[Borillar]

Though I'm almost certain Trump will face a primary challenge, I fear that too many Republicans will enter the race and allow the incumbency effect to carry Trump to his second GOP nomination.

When was the last time an incumbent Republican President faced a primary challenger? It doesn't happen very often with either party. Last one I recall was when Teddy Kennedy ran against Carter.

Carter and Kennedy were Republican?

No. Just the last incumbent facing a primary challenge that I recalled. I said it didn't happen very often with either party.

 

[yiostheoy]

Kasich, Hickenlooper eye joint 2020 bid

YES! After a website went down that had been advocating to allow Mixed Tickets,
These two candidates may be able to pull that off if they run as Independents.

Wow. I had been pushing for this also: for Democrats to focus on the VP position
and manage programs by States through the Senate. While Republicans focus on
the Presidential position as Commander in Chief for national security, foreign relations and global economy. Split the White House responsibilities between Domestic policies and International.

Do you think we can start organizing this NOW?
Start collaborations between parties instead of divisive rhetoric to bully for dominance?

Are these the right leaders for the job?
Or do you see other people taking charge if parties start collaborating on public policy?

I want to see Ralph Nader and Paul Glover of the Greens in cabinet positions also.
Do you support these two candidates in pushing for inter-party collaboration?
Or others? Who?
===============

Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) and Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) — "the Johns," as insiders are calling them — have been making a flurry of joint appearances to talk about state-driven improvements to health care.

But Axios has learned that their duet is part of an alliance that's gaining momentum toward a possible joint independent bid for president in 2020, likely with Kasich at the top of the ticket:

Keep reading 346 words

• The two, who got to know each other at conferences, plan to extend their joint platform from health care to two other hot policy areas: immigration and job creation.
• On health care (with a detailed plan to be released soon), the two have broadened their efforts to a bipartisan group that includes 11 governors.
• The Johns' jobs plan will focus on the coming displacement from automation, with prescriptions that include trade, workforce training — and an optimistic and hopeful message, balanced with an honest admission that some jobs just aren't coming back.
• The two are talking to major media companies about a possible podcast or cable show to continue cementing their brand. Their conversations would include politics, policy, and pop culture.
• In D.C. in early September, the two will hold a health-care conference that includes policy input from the American Enterprise Institute on the right and the Center for American Progress on the left.
• Kasich, who's being advised by veteran consultant John Weaver, is keeping open all his options, including the possibility of primarying Trump in 2020.
• Nothing subtle about any of this: Kasich has urged Hickenlooper to visit New Hampshire.
• Both are 65 and both were born in the crucial electoral state of Pennsylvania, Kasich from the Pittsburgh side and Hickenlooper from the Philly side (corrected).
• Both are proud policy wonks, and their staffs are said to get along famously.

Why it matters: National Dems so far haven't capitalized on Trump's record unpopularity and obsession with his base. But this is a creative coupling that'll get a ton of airtime, and maybe even traction.

The pushback: Some establishment Dems are apoplectic about the idea of Hickenlooper teaming up with a Republican. One top strategist told me: "No Dem wants Kasich anywhere near our ticket. Sounds like a No Labels fantasy, but moderate Dems would hate it."

But a veteran operative emails: "Our political system is completely broken. Something big and historic needs to happen to break the logjam. I'm a big Dem but I'm for anything that ... does away with this hyper-partisanship on both sides that is paralyzing our government."

Kasich denied it on Meet The Press this morning (Sunday 8/27/2017).

He said it would not fit onto a bumper sticker.

 

[Rambunctious]

he promised health care insurance for everyone, only cheaper and better than they have now...

he told you Mexico was going to pay for the wall...

he said the rich wouldn't get tax cuts...in his plan...

he said he would allow DACA kids to stay here....

he said he was the least racist person on earth...

And THAT isn't even the tip of the iceberg....
Why do you not see he's a liar only 100 times over, other politicians....why give him a pass?

Mexico will pay for the wall...already by frightening them from crossing illegally it already has paid an untold amount in treasure and blood.

He never said the rich would never get a tax cut that is a bold face lie.

He said he would study the DACA program he did and he is acting on his decision....no lie

He is not a racist, you are more skin color conscious then Trump ever will be.

Keep up the lies libs, we win when you tell such tall tails.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Though I'm almost certain Trump will face a primary challenge, I fear that too many Republicans will enter the race and allow the incumbency effect to carry Trump to his second GOP nomination.

When was the last time an incumbent Republican President faced a primary challenger? It doesn't happen very often with either party. Last one I recall was when Teddy Kennedy ran against Carter.

Carter and Kennedy were Republican?

No. Just the last incumbent facing a primary challenge that I recalled. I said it didn't happen very often with either party.

I said it didn't happen very often with either party.

You shouldn't have said that either, at least not if you want to be seen as credible and/or knowledgeable. "
Five of the six presidents who served between 1968 and 1992 faced primary challenges. Some of them and one from before that period are:

• 1980: Jimmy Carter vs. Ted Kennedy
• 1976: Ronald Reagan vs. Gerald Ford
  
• 1968: Eugene McCarthy vs. Lyndon Johnson
  
• 1952: Estes Kefauver vs. Harry Truman

There's also the case of President Tyler, which doesn't count as a primary challenge because Republicans and Democrats didn't choose their presidential nominees using the primary system until 1912. That said, do some research on the 1912 Republican convention and you'll find that although the sitting GOP president, Taft, got the nomination, doing so was no "cakewalk."

 

[usmbguest5318]

Kasich, Hickenlooper eye joint 2020 bid

YES! After a website went down that had been advocating to allow Mixed Tickets,
These two candidates may be able to pull that off if they run as Independents.

Wow. I had been pushing for this also: for Democrats to focus on the VP position
and manage programs by States through the Senate. While Republicans focus on
the Presidential position as Commander in Chief for national security, foreign relations and global economy. Split the White House responsibilities between Domestic policies and International.

Do you think we can start organizing this NOW?
Start collaborations between parties instead of divisive rhetoric to bully for dominance?

Are these the right leaders for the job?
Or do you see other people taking charge if parties start collaborating on public policy?

I want to see Ralph Nader and Paul Glover of the Greens in cabinet positions also.
Do you support these two candidates in pushing for inter-party collaboration?
Or others? Who?
===============

Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) and Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) — "the Johns," as insiders are calling them — have been making a flurry of joint appearances to talk about state-driven improvements to health care.

But Axios has learned that their duet is part of an alliance that's gaining momentum toward a possible joint independent bid for president in 2020, likely with Kasich at the top of the ticket:

Keep reading 346 words

• The two, who got to know each other at conferences, plan to extend their joint platform from health care to two other hot policy areas: immigration and job creation.
• On health care (with a detailed plan to be released soon), the two have broadened their efforts to a bipartisan group that includes 11 governors.
• The Johns' jobs plan will focus on the coming displacement from automation, with prescriptions that include trade, workforce training — and an optimistic and hopeful message, balanced with an honest admission that some jobs just aren't coming back.
• The two are talking to major media companies about a possible podcast or cable show to continue cementing their brand. Their conversations would include politics, policy, and pop culture.
• In D.C. in early September, the two will hold a health-care conference that includes policy input from the American Enterprise Institute on the right and the Center for American Progress on the left.
• Kasich, who's being advised by veteran consultant John Weaver, is keeping open all his options, including the possibility of primarying Trump in 2020.
• Nothing subtle about any of this: Kasich has urged Hickenlooper to visit New Hampshire.
• Both are 65 and both were born in the crucial electoral state of Pennsylvania, Kasich from the Pittsburgh side and Hickenlooper from the Philly side (corrected).
• Both are proud policy wonks, and their staffs are said to get along famously.

Why it matters: National Dems so far haven't capitalized on Trump's record unpopularity and obsession with his base. But this is a creative coupling that'll get a ton of airtime, and maybe even traction.

The pushback: Some establishment Dems are apoplectic about the idea of Hickenlooper teaming up with a Republican. One top strategist told me: "No Dem wants Kasich anywhere near our ticket. Sounds like a No Labels fantasy, but moderate Dems would hate it."

But a veteran operative emails: "Our political system is completely broken. Something big and historic needs to happen to break the logjam. I'm a big Dem but I'm for anything that ... does away with this hyper-partisanship on both sides that is paralyzing our government."

Kasich denied it on Meet The Press this morning (Sunday 8/27/2017).

He said it would not fit onto a bumper sticker.

Kasich denied it on Meet The Press this morning (Sunday 8/27/2017).

Of course, he did. Who, at this point in time, wouldn't? For him to right now "own" the notion that he'd challenge Trump would be ridiculously premature and strategically puerile. A "million and one" plausible and/or farfetched things that rightly might obviate one's need or desire to oppose Trump can happen between now and 2018-19.

He said it would not fit onto a bumper sticker.

Well, now we know Kasich has a sense of humor. LOL

 

[OldLady]

Nikki Haley and Joseph Manchin ... reasonable reps from both parties. A little sanity wouldn't hurt anyone.

Whoa, two more reasonable, thoughtful legislators who piss off the crazies in their parties.

I like it.
.

From what I have seen and heard of him, I wonder why a reasonable person like Joseph Manchin is a Democrat.

I hope (and predict) that he changes party affiliation

He is certainly a Democrat, from what I've heard him speak; the thing that makes him stand out is his willingness to entertain other ideas and meet where he can. If there were a lot more of him in BOTH parties, I think we'd finally get somewhere.

 

[OldLady]

Nikki Haley and Joseph Manchin ... reasonable reps from both parties. A little sanity wouldn't hurt anyone.

Whoa, two more reasonable, thoughtful legislators who piss off the crazies in their parties.

I like it.
.

From what I have seen and heard of him, I wonder why a reasonable person like Joseph Manchin is a Democrat.

I hope (and predict) that he changes party affiliation

Well, he's pretty much a man without a party right now. He's too moderate for both parties.

So why bother? Plus he'd have to change all his stationery.
.

Don't you think this is a golden opportunity for Manchin to be a "swing vote" for either party? He's open for business no matter what you're selling. He could be a popular man if he plays his cards right.

 

[OldLady]

Please don't take Collins from us--we're hoping she's running for Governor of Maine next year.

Dear Peach and OldLady
Thanks for giving specific names.
Yes I believe we need to plan ahead, with full transparency, which leaders need to serve in which roles. Why compete for the same slots while others go without a good contender? Why not create jobs for all leaders to serve to maximum capacity, instead of wasting millions when candidates from the same party run against each other! That money could have paid to create a whole separate job for someone to reform problem s directly instead of campaigning on promises that come out empty.

OldLady about Trump voters, we do need to focus on what are the real solutions that will redress taxpayers issues, not just what wins campaign votes. Where do taxpayers want to put our money, and what solutions will get our debts paid off or paid back? The solutions I see come from leaders from all parties. The reason I voted for Trump as a Democrat was that he would push for independent business plans and would be held in check by both parties not letting him get away with any Unconstitutional BS as Obama or Clinton would get away with without check. Trump is compelling the people to get involved in govt or else nothing will get done. Unless all sides agree , so we have to come up with solid financial solutions. It has to make sense to all sides, then we won't run into opposition. That's where America is heading.

I believe Cruz Libertarians and Constitutionalists will set up a grievance and settlement process to hold govt accountable for restitition and reimbursement for debts damages waste and corruption owed to taxpayers.

And it will take leaders and members of ALL parties to represent the programs and policies we each want to invest in both statewide and nationally. So which party leaders need to serve in which roles to coordinate between local state and national federal govt?

Can we hold a cross-party Constitutional convention and work out a network system of equal representation on issues? Why can't everyone fund jobs for the candidates and officers we want to hire you manage our programs? Isn't there enough work and demand to create jobs for all leaders who want to get involved?

Why compete for the same slots while others go without a good contender? Why not create jobs for all leaders to serve to maximum capacity, instead of wasting millions when candidates from the same party run against each other!
We're definitely on the same train there, Emily.

While our system may be termed 'wasteful' (I disagree, liberty costs more than authoritaranism) and 'sloppy', it is the best humans have developed, I would not trade our political system.

Does that mean you oppose the idea of having a Repub and a Dem on one ticket for Pres and VP?

What ticket will they run on? Not demofart. Not republican. Third party? Start something new? The Reject party.

I think at the start of this thread, someone proposed they run on an Independent ticket. I don't really care how they run. Personally, I think the "party" system is nothing but a way to raise obscene amounts of money and then waste it on overkill campaigns. If this were actually embraced by a good part of the people, the Dems and Repubs would both be pitching in for their candidate and it could just be the "Unity" ticket.

 

[Mac1958]

Nikki Haley and Joseph Manchin ... reasonable reps from both parties. A little sanity wouldn't hurt anyone.

Whoa, two more reasonable, thoughtful legislators who piss off the crazies in their parties.

I like it.
.

From what I have seen and heard of him, I wonder why a reasonable person like Joseph Manchin is a Democrat.

I hope (and predict) that he changes party affiliation

Well, he's pretty much a man without a party right now. He's too moderate for both parties.

So why bother? Plus he'd have to change all his stationery.
.

Don't you think this is a golden opportunity for Manchin to be a "swing vote" for either party? He's open for business no matter what you're selling. He could be a popular man if he plays his cards right.

Yeah, I do, he flies in the face of obedient partisan politics, and it really is a shame that there are so few of them like that.

I hadn't thought about him at a national level, but you could be right.
.

 

[The Original Tree]

This is The Deep
State tryin to take Ohio away from
Trump with Brown and Kasich.

They tried it last election with Trump having to run Against Stein, Clinton, and that guy from Utah, and an additional 2,000 small candidates on the ballot in all 50 states.

That's called watering down the vote.

 

[OldLady]

Nikki Haley and Joseph Manchin ... reasonable reps from both parties. A little sanity wouldn't hurt anyone.

Whoa, two more reasonable, thoughtful legislators who piss off the crazies in their parties.

I like it.
.

From what I have seen and heard of him, I wonder why a reasonable person like Joseph Manchin is a Democrat.

I hope (and predict) that he changes party affiliation

Well, he's pretty much a man without a party right now. He's too moderate for both parties.

So why bother? Plus he'd have to change all his stationery.
.

Don't you think this is a golden opportunity for Manchin to be a "swing vote" for either party? He's open for business no matter what you're selling. He could be a popular man if he plays his cards right.

Yeah, I do, he flies in the face of obedient partisan politics, and it really is a shame that there are so few of them like that.

I hadn't thought about him at a national level, but you could be right.
.

He's been quietly involved in politics a long time--state legislature, governor and senator for 7 years. I'm glad the media is pointing him out; he's an anomaly in D.C., which is why they're talking about him, I suppose, but that's fine. Collins, Manchin...let's keep that list growing.

 

[Aldo Raine]

DEEP STATE, ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!

Bwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!

 

[Mac1958]

Whoa, two more reasonable, thoughtful legislators who piss off the crazies in their parties.

I like it.
.

From what I have seen and heard of him, I wonder why a reasonable person like Joseph Manchin is a Democrat.

I hope (and predict) that he changes party affiliation

Well, he's pretty much a man without a party right now. He's too moderate for both parties.

So why bother? Plus he'd have to change all his stationery.
.

Don't you think this is a golden opportunity for Manchin to be a "swing vote" for either party? He's open for business no matter what you're selling. He could be a popular man if he plays his cards right.

Yeah, I do, he flies in the face of obedient partisan politics, and it really is a shame that there are so few of them like that.

I hadn't thought about him at a national level, but you could be right.
.

He's been quietly involved in politics a long time--state legislature, governor and senator for 7 years. I'm glad the media is pointing him out; he's an anomaly in D.C., which is why they're talking about him, I suppose, but that's fine. Collins, Manchin...let's keep that list growing.

Oh, amen. My hope is that this current insane condition we're in will be met with an equal and opposite reaction soon.
.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Kasich, Hickenlooper eye joint 2020 bid

YES! After a website went down that had been advocating to allow Mixed Tickets,
These two candidates may be able to pull that off if they run as Independents.

Wow. I had been pushing for this also: for Democrats to focus on the VP position
and manage programs by States through the Senate. While Republicans focus on
the Presidential position as Commander in Chief for national security, foreign relations and global economy. Split the White House responsibilities between Domestic policies and International.

Do you think we can start organizing this NOW?
Start collaborations between parties instead of divisive rhetoric to bully for dominance?

Are these the right leaders for the job?
Or do you see other people taking charge if parties start collaborating on public policy?

I want to see Ralph Nader and Paul Glover of the Greens in cabinet positions also.
Do you support these two candidates in pushing for inter-party collaboration?
Or others? Who?
===============

Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) and Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) — "the Johns," as insiders are calling them — have been making a flurry of joint appearances to talk about state-driven improvements to health care.

But Axios has learned that their duet is part of an alliance that's gaining momentum toward a possible joint independent bid for president in 2020, likely with Kasich at the top of the ticket:

Keep reading 346 words

• The two, who got to know each other at conferences, plan to extend their joint platform from health care to two other hot policy areas: immigration and job creation.
• On health care (with a detailed plan to be released soon), the two have broadened their efforts to a bipartisan group that includes 11 governors.
• The Johns' jobs plan will focus on the coming displacement from automation, with prescriptions that include trade, workforce training — and an optimistic and hopeful message, balanced with an honest admission that some jobs just aren't coming back.
• The two are talking to major media companies about a possible podcast or cable show to continue cementing their brand. Their conversations would include politics, policy, and pop culture.
• In D.C. in early September, the two will hold a health-care conference that includes policy input from the American Enterprise Institute on the right and the Center for American Progress on the left.
• Kasich, who's being advised by veteran consultant John Weaver, is keeping open all his options, including the possibility of primarying Trump in 2020.
• Nothing subtle about any of this: Kasich has urged Hickenlooper to visit New Hampshire.
• Both are 65 and both were born in the crucial electoral state of Pennsylvania, Kasich from the Pittsburgh side and Hickenlooper from the Philly side (corrected).
• Both are proud policy wonks, and their staffs are said to get along famously.

Why it matters: National Dems so far haven't capitalized on Trump's record unpopularity and obsession with his base. But this is a creative coupling that'll get a ton of airtime, and maybe even traction.

The pushback: Some establishment Dems are apoplectic about the idea of Hickenlooper teaming up with a Republican. One top strategist told me: "No Dem wants Kasich anywhere near our ticket. Sounds like a No Labels fantasy, but moderate Dems would hate it."

But a veteran operative emails: "Our political system is completely broken. Something big and historic needs to happen to break the logjam. I'm a big Dem but I'm for anything that ... does away with this hyper-partisanship on both sides that is paralyzing our government."

I like the idea. This could get support from middle America and return some much needed sanity and cooperation to the government.

Kasich said yesterday that this would never happen. He joked that you wouldn't be able to put the names on a bumper sticker. They are working together as Governors on many things. The Biggest is the attempt to fix our health care. The moderator asked him what he thought to get out of it. His answer was something like, "Sometimes you have to do something for someone else and get nothing out it".

 

[TNHarley]

IDK if its been posted but kasich denied this