Kavanaugh Asks if Texas Abortion Law Could Be Model for Bans on Gun Rights

[Abatis]

WTF?
Yes, they were.

Those were some rights, people previously never had.
Therefore, granted.

That's not correct.

Under our legal structure the right to vote has never been recognized for all people. The right has certainly always existed from the founding and was being exercised by those who were recognized as having the franchise.

What the 15th Amendment did was invalidate any laws that conditioned the (already exiting) right to vote on a citizen's race, color or previous condition of servitude.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude–​

Same goes for the 19th Amendment; again that Amendment just invalidated any laws that conditioned the (already exiting) right to vote on one's gender.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.​

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What in the words, terms or structure of those Amendments would lead you believe that anyone understood the right was being "granted" by those provisions?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

It means that since a militia is necessary, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, in case of the government excercising tyrannical rule. Say if military units decide to violate the 3rd Amendment, or the 4th and 5th Amendments, or the 8th Amendment.

Let's put it terms you can relate to: if Trump were reelected and deployed the Army to arrest you for being a Libtard. In that scenario, you'll need to be able to defend yourself and you'll want your neighbors to be armed and able to assist in that defense.

What a moron.

The militia is governed by the state or federal government or the military that called you to serve.
That's it.
If the orange, retard wanted me arrested, that would happen, so be it.
A militia isn't the army, it's more like the national guard, it's a militia, when either one requested you serve, you went.
What you are describing is sedition.

 

[M14 Shooter]

That's because at the time virtually everyone was in the militia.

Women weren't. Old people weren't. They still had a right to own a gun.

A 1792 federal law required that every man eligible for militia service own a gun and ammunition suitable for military service, report for frequent inspection of their guns, and register his gun ownership on public records.

This, however is a not a requirement to be a member of the militia in order to exercise the right to own of a firearm and have that exercise protected by the 2nd.

Thus, my statement stands:
Nowhere is a requirement the 'the people" who hold the right to keep and bear arms be part of a militia to enjoy the protections of the 2nd Amendment.
As such, the GOP is completely correct when it ignores 'well regulated militia".

 

[M14 Shooter]

A woman gets an abortion has to go to a licensed provider or hospital.
Her name and other personal records are kept on a permanent file, depending.
The unlicensed provider is banned and can be charged with murder if they terminate a pregnancy of the late term or if the woman tries an abortion herself.

There's no relecvance to your statement, above, and mypost that you responded to -- indeed, you need to twist the wrods slightly to even look relevant says all that needs said.

If the state required a woman to get a permit/license before she could have an abortion, the left would cry bloody murder.
If the state required that abortion to be registered with the state, the left would cry bloody murder
If the state required training - sex ed classes - before a woman could have an abortion , the left would cry bloody murder
If the state requires a woman demonstrate a 'good reason' before she could hav an abortio, the left would cry bloody murder.

You can disagree, but you'll have to lie to do it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Wrong.
They're were vigilantes and militias before there were state laws.
They were the law.

Your response does not in any way address what I said.
Try again.

 

[M14 Shooter]

What does 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State' mean?

Whatever it means it has no bearing whatsoever on who has the right to keep and bear arms, as protected by the 2nd Amendment.

 

[M14 Shooter]

No shit.

And thus, you understand why, as you claim, the GOP ignores the "well regulated" part of the 2nd.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Not now, there isn't.

Nor was there ever.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

If the state required a woman to get a permit/license before she could have an abortion, the left would cry bloody murder.
If the state required that abortion to be registered with the state, the left would cry bloody murder
If the state required training - sex ed classes - before a woman could have an abortion , the left would cry bloody murder
If the state requires a woman demonstrate a 'good reason' before she could hav [sic] an abortio [sic], the left would cry bloody murder.

Ironically, over it being made that much more difficult to legally commit actual murder.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

What a moron.

The militia is governed by the state or federal government or the military that called you to serve.
That's it.
If the orange, retard wanted me arrested, that would happen, so be it.
A militia isn't the army, it's more like the national guard, it's a militia, when either one requested you serve, you went.
What you are describing is sedition.

No, what I described is tyranny. You really need to learn what words mean...lol

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

That's not correct.

Yes, it is.

Under our legal structure the right to vote has never been recognized for all people. The right has certainly always existed from the founding and was being exercised by those who were recognized as having the franchise.

Where could blacks and women vote?

What the 15th Amendment did was invalidate any laws that conditioned the (already exiting) right to vote on a citizen's race, color or previous condition of servitude.

The struggle over voting rights in the United States dates all the way back to the founding of the nation. The original U.S. Constitution did not define voting rights for citizens, and until 1870, only white men were allowed to vote. Two constitutional amendments changed that. The Fifteenth Amendment (ratified in 1870) extended voting rights to men of all races.

Hoping that the U.S. Supreme Court would rule that women had a constitutional right to vote, suffragists made several attempts to vote in the early 1870s and then filed lawsuits when they were turned away. Anthony actually succeeded in voting in 1872 but was arrested for that act and found guilty in a widely publicized trial that gave the movement fresh momentum. After the Supreme Court ruled against them in the 1875 case Minor v. Happersett, suffragists began the decades-long campaign for an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would enfranchise women.

Well before the Nineteenth Amendment was passed, women could vote in state and local elections in some US states and territories, especially in the West. After it became law, many women across the US were still excluded from voting because they were not citizens or because of state restrictions on certain populations voting.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude–​

Same goes for the 19th Amendment; again that Amendment just invalidated any laws that conditioned the (already exiting) right to vote on one's gender.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.​

​

What in the words, terms or structure of those Amendments would lead you believe that anyone understood the right was being "granted" by those provisions?

They were rights denied before then.

Except in some isolated cases at the state level, women were not permitted to vote in the United States during the 19th century. One notable exception was the territory of Wyoming, which had long enforced women's suffrage by the time it became a state in 1890.

Most African-Americans could not vote throughout most of the 1800s. Black men were officially enfranchised in 1870 by the 14th Amendment.

In the early days of the state of New Jersey, women and black people could vote. They just had to be “free inhabitants of [the] State” who were over the age of majority, had more than fifty pounds of wealth and had lived in New Jersey for more than six months. The process of revoking these rights, which took place in the early 1800s, represented a narrowing of American potential.

New Jersey was unique in permitting women to vote. The other twelve original states all had constitutions specifically stating that voters had to be male. But in New Jersey, the framing of the state constitution, which occurred in 1776, permitted women to vote

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

No, what I described is tyranny. You really need to learn what words mean...lol

It is obvious you do.

Sedition- noun.
Conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

Anyone can be arrested, all someone has to do is file charges, then if your excuse isn't good enough or witnesses can't verify your whereabouts, you can go to jail.

Just because the army violates amendments, in your mind, doesn't give anyone the right to attack them.
So, Trump wants me arrested for my political views, that wouldn't hold up to anyone's scrutiny.

That's what courts are for.

It could happen without anyone scrutinizing the arrest.

Like Russia.

New Russian laws allow authorities to brand individual activists as “foreign agents,” while others have made it more difficult to express dissent, organize and protest. It follows constitutional changes last summer that gave Putin the opportunity to stay in power until 2036.

Saturday’s demonstrations came after a sweeping national crackdown in which police detained opposition activists and courts locked up Alexei Navalny’s press secretary, Kira Yarmysh, and another team member, Georgy Alburov.

That's tyranny.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Nor was there ever.

2 or 3 days of arguing is enough.
Way too petty for me to argue over.
You win.

 

[JoeB131]

That's a fact, not a theory.

Nope, it's a theory.

Here's a better one.

Because Trump wrecked the economy and we all spent months locked in our homes, the murder rate went up because most murders are people killing people they know. This is something the NRA doesn't want people to know, that a gun in the house is more dangerous to the people living with it than the bad guys.

Let's put it terms you can relate to: if Trump were reelected and deployed the Army to arrest you for being a Libtard. In that scenario, you'll need to be able to defend yourself and you'll want your neighbors to be armed and able to assist in that defense.

Okay. Let's assume he could get the Army to obey that obviously illegal order. (They wouldn't.) Well, your gun isn't going to do much good against a tank or a platoon of well-trained soldiers.

This is why this excuse of "why I needs me muh guns" is pretty fucking retarded. Tank Beats Gun. Bomber Beats Gun.

 

[2aguy]

Nope, it's a theory.

Here's a better one.

Because Trump wrecked the economy and we all spent months locked in our homes, the murder rate went up because most murders are people killing people they know. This is something the NRA doesn't want people to know, that a gun in the house is more dangerous to the people living with it than the bad guys.



Okay. Let's assume he could get the Army to obey that obviously illegal order. (They wouldn't.) Well, your gun isn't going to do much good against a tank or a platoon of well-trained soldiers.

This is why this excuse of "why I needs me muh guns" is pretty fucking retarded. Tank Beats Gun. Bomber Beats Gun.

Because Trump wrecked the economy and we all spent months locked in our homes, the murder rate went up because most murders are people killing people they know. T

Wrong.....27 years, from the 1990s to 2015 more people owned and carried guns....and the gun murder rate went down 49%...the gun murder rate went down 75%, and the crime rate went down 72%....

What changed in 2015.....the democrat party created a strategy attacking the police.....the war on police caused the police to back off actually going after criminals ........... this caused the spike in murder in democrat party controlled cities......

And the "people are killed by people they know," lie you keep posting? Gang members shooting at gang members from different gangs "know each other,".......criminals murdering their family members, "know each other.....".........you idiot....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

 

[2aguy]

Nope, it's a theory.

Here's a better one.

Because Trump wrecked the economy and we all spent months locked in our homes, the murder rate went up because most murders are people killing people they know. This is something the NRA doesn't want people to know, that a gun in the house is more dangerous to the people living with it than the bad guys.



Okay. Let's assume he could get the Army to obey that obviously illegal order. (They wouldn't.) Well, your gun isn't going to do much good against a tank or a platoon of well-trained soldiers.

This is why this excuse of "why I needs me muh guns" is pretty fucking retarded. Tank Beats Gun. Bomber Beats Gun.

This is why this excuse of "why I needs me muh guns" is pretty fucking retarded. Tank Beats Gun. Bomber Beats Gun.

Hmmmmm....we have tanks, bombers, missles.....and the muslim terrorists in Afghanistan had rifles and IEDs........who gave up the fight first? You idiot....

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Nope, it's a theory.

Here's a better one.

Because Trump wrecked the economy and we all spent months locked in our homes, the murder rate went up because most murders are people killing people they know. This is something the NRA doesn't want people to know, that a gun in the house is more dangerous to the people living with it than the bad guys.



Okay. Let's assume he could get the Army to obey that obviously illegal order. (They wouldn't.) Well, your gun isn't going to do much good against a tank or a platoon of well-trained soldiers.

This is why this excuse of "why I needs me muh guns" is pretty fucking retarded. Tank Beats Gun. Bomber Beats Gun.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong.....27 years, from the 1990s to 2015 more people owned and carried guns....and the gun murder rate went down 49%...the gun murder rate went down 75%, and the crime rate went down 72%....

We aren't talking about the last 27 or five years. We are talking about why Murder Spiked in 2020, when most of us were in our homes.

It wasn't because of the BLM riots. Only about 35 deaths can be linked to those. Most of them were people killing their family members because being locked in your house for months can make you a little crazy.

 

[JoeB131]

Yet you can never really refute anything I say.. even about your own fucked up cult.

So tell me again why it was okay for Joseph Smith and Brigham Young to fuck 14 year olds, but not okay for Roman Polanski?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Nope, it's a theory.

Here's a better one.

Because Trump wrecked the economy and we all spent months locked in our homes, the murder rate went up because most murders are people killing people they know. This is something the NRA doesn't want people to know, that a gun in the house is more dangerous to the people living with it than the bad guys.



Okay. Let's assume he could get the Army to obey that obviously illegal order. (They wouldn't.) Well, your gun isn't going to do much good against a tank or a platoon of well-trained soldiers.

This is why this excuse of "why I needs me muh guns" is pretty fucking retarded. Tank Beats Gun. Bomber Beats Gun.

That LIE again? Cant help your self can you? As for resistance, HISTORY shows you are wrong. Learn some.