Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[MonaGonna]

The 2nd amendment specifically protects weapons that are of use in use or useful to the military. At least try to be original.

Gee, I didn't realize that your constitution was written in stone. Try evolving. That's what living organisms do, just like the constitution has undergone some changes since it was first written. The US has a problem with gun violence, try to come up with an original idea to counter it.

A fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent is not a problem. Do the math. As for overall violence Germany France Great Britain and Canada all have more violence then the US.

The Courts have ruled that the second is an individual right and that military type weapons are protected by the 2nd, you don't like it? get an amendment pasted Congress and approved by 37 States.

Just curious: are you drunk right now?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Gee, I didn't realize that your constitution was written in stone. Try evolving. That's what living organisms do, just like the constitution has undergone some changes since it was first written. The US has a problem with gun violence, try to come up with an original idea to counter it.

A fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent is not a problem. Do the math. As for overall violence Germany France Great Britain and Canada all have more violence then the US.

The Courts have ruled that the second is an individual right and that military type weapons are protected by the 2nd, you don't like it? get an amendment pasted Congress and approved by 37 States.

Just curious: are you drunk right now?

Just curious are you retarded? 11000 murders divided into 300 million firearms or 316 million people comes out to a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent, care to do the math?

Already posted links toi the fact that Germany, France, Great Britain and Canada have more violent crimes then the US, want me to do it again cause you are retarded?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

3.6 per 100000 is the rate of firearm murders in the USA. Care to break that down to a percent?

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As to violent crimes.

Total crimes statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Crime

and population.

List of countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When one compares population to recorded violent crime one finds that Germany, France, Great Britain and Canada have more per capita violence then the US and Italy has the same rate.

 

[NoNukes]

The 2nd amendment specifically protects weapons that are of use in use or useful to the military. At least try to be original.

Gee, I didn't realize that your constitution was written in stone. Try evolving. That's what living organisms do, just like the constitution has undergone some changes since it was first written. The US has a problem with gun violence, try to come up with an original idea to counter it.

A fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent is not a problem. Do the math. As for overall violence Germany France Great Britain and Canada all have more violence then the US.

The Courts have ruled that the second is an individual right and that military type weapons are protected by the 2nd, you don't like it? get an amendment pasted Congress and approved by 37 States.

Where the fuck do you get this? More violence in these countries, but people do not need to be armed ?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Gee, I didn't realize that your constitution was written in stone. Try evolving. That's what living organisms do, just like the constitution has undergone some changes since it was first written. The US has a problem with gun violence, try to come up with an original idea to counter it.

A fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent is not a problem. Do the math. As for overall violence Germany France Great Britain and Canada all have more violence then the US.

The Courts have ruled that the second is an individual right and that military type weapons are protected by the 2nd, you don't like it? get an amendment pasted Congress and approved by 37 States.

Where the fuck do you get this? More violence in these countries, but people do not need to be armed ?

Check the links do the math. I already did it earlier in this thread.

 

[MonaGonna]

3.6 per 100000 is the rate of firearm murders in the USA. Care to break that down to a percent?

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As to violent crimes.

Total crimes statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Crime

and population.

List of countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When one compares population to recorded violent crime one finds that Germany, France, Great Britain and Canada have more per capita violence then the US and Italy has the same rate.

1st link: US 10.3 (homocides per 100,000), UK 0.25, Canada 2.38, France 3.01, Germany 1.24

2nd link: Crime stats, US 11,800,000; UK 6,500,000; Germany 6,500,000; Canada 2,500,000

3rd link population in millions: US 316; Ger 80; Fra 65; Can 35.

Conclusion: US is the worst of all countries mentioned. By far.

 

[petro]

A fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent is not a problem. Do the math. As for overall violence Germany France Great Britain and Canada all have more violence then the US.

The Courts have ruled that the second is an individual right and that military type weapons are protected by the 2nd, you don't like it? get an amendment pasted Congress and approved by 37 States.

Just curious: are you drunk right now?

Just curious are you retarded? 11000 murders divided into 300 million firearms or 316 million people comes out to a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent, care to do the math?

Already posted links toi the fact that Germany, France, Great Britain and Canada have more violent crimes then the US, want me to do it again cause you are retarded?

People are most likely to die at the hands of some idiot texting while driving than ever being the victim in a shooting.
I just love when idiots from other nations tell us how unsafe America is. Been watching was too much of the crap put out by what the networks call news. Sensationalism and ratings have put out the myth that America is a shooting gallery.

 

[Geaux4it]

STUDY: Using Guns for Defense Leads to Fewer Injuries - US News and World Report

Just a month after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary, President Obama called for an assessment of the existing research on gun violence and recommendations for more studies. Now, that assessment is out, and it delves deeply into what research shows us about why gun violence happens in this country – and also into how well the defensive use of guns work.

Citing four separate studies between 1988-2004, the assessment from the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council says crime victims who use guns in self-defense have consistently lower injury rates than victims who use other strategies to protect themselves (other strategies include stalling, calling the police or using weapons such as knives or baseball bats).

 

[AnonymousMD]

The solution isn't to make getting a gun more difficult (though, that and gun buy-backs are effective to an extent), it's to change America's attitude towards guns. Everyone in Switzerland owns a gun, yet they don't have problems like we do. Why? Because they have different cultural values than us Americans. Video games, violent action film, ect, make shooting a gun seem completely fine--and even cool. Obviously changing this attitude will not happen overnight, and will not be completely effective until other problems such as the education and income gaps (between Blacks and Whites) is decreased. Gun violence is not an isolated issue, it is caused by multiple factors.

 

[Geaux4it]

The solution isn't to make getting a gun more difficult (though, that and gun buy-backs are effective to an extent), it's to change America's attitude towards guns. Everyone in Switzerland owns a gun, yet they don't have problems like we do. Why? Because they have different cultural values than us Americans. Video games, violent action film, ect, make shooting a gun seem completely fine--and even cool. Obviously changing this attitude will not happen overnight, and will not be completely effective until other problems such as the education and income gaps (between Blacks and Whites) is decreased. Gun violence is not an isolated issue, it is caused by multiple factors.

Switzerland also does not have open borders and social malcontents and miscreants.

-Geaux

Information in the post in part, comes from the 'Firing Line'

There are between 270-300 million guns in the USA. To put this in perspective, 4% of the worlds population owns 50% of all privately owned guns in the world. Some would think this would mean that the USA should have a homicide rate over 12x (50% divided by 4%) higher than the rest of the world.

In 2012 the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime compared intentional homicide rates for most countries in the world. USA's rate was 4.8 per 100,000 inhabitants while the worldwide average was 6.9. These figures mean you are 30% less likely to be murdered in the USA than elsewhere in the world.. The 4.8 homicide rate is not even close to 12 times higher than the rest of the world.

So much for the hypothesis that more privately owned guns cause more murders.

Now, before you start throwing out how Japan, Australia, UK, Canada where guns are banned have rankings more favorable than the USA in homicide rates, so do Switzerland and Finland which have high rates of private ownership. In fact, Switzerland's homicide rate ranks 42% lower than the UK's. And of course, the gun control movement never mentions Mexico, Brazil and South Africa where private ownership is very difficult and which have homicide rates far above those of the USA.

While the hypothesis that high gun ownership rates cause a decrease in homicide is still being debated, the inverse that high gun ownership causes high homicide rates- is most certainly dead in the water.

 

[kaz]

How can any normal person be against heavily regulating weapons? Like the NRA prez who thinks that you combat gun violence with more guns. He's obviously insane. No?

I hear ya. When someone points a gun at you, stick a daisy in the barrel. Problem solved.

Try reading the op and commenting on the actual question rather than pontificating on how life works in your fairy land.

Keeping guns from criminals? Try regulating them a lot better. Don't let anyone just walk in and buy guns for cartels and whatnot. Get a proper grip on the industry. NORMAL PEOPLE don't need assault weapons either.

Here's an idea, try reading the op and answering the question. This is the most basic, obvious position of the American left that the op addresses.

 

[kaz]

3.6 per 100000 is the rate of firearm murders in the USA. Care to break that down to a percent?

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As to violent crimes.

Total crimes statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Crime

and population.

List of countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When one compares population to recorded violent crime one finds that Germany, France, Great Britain and Canada have more per capita violence then the US and Italy has the same rate.

1st link: US 10.3 (homocides per 100,000), UK 0.25, Canada 2.38, France 3.01, Germany 1.24

2nd link: Crime stats, US 11,800,000; UK 6,500,000; Germany 6,500,000; Canada 2,500,000

3rd link population in millions: US 316; Ger 80; Fra 65; Can 35.

Conclusion: US is the worst of all countries mentioned. By far.

I find it so much more convincing when an international leftist says all we have to do is add more gun laws and then you just assume that will fix the problem than when an American leftists does. The US is larger and more diverse than those countries, assuming the truth of your position is preventing you from grasping the situation. Your cliche of American hunters and outdoorsman being the typical gun owner is true, however, almost none of the murders are happening there. Murders are happening by criminals who don't care what the gun laws are which is ...

... addressed in the op. What you're not answering.

BTW, the American left fights to make sure anyone in Mexico can walk across our border. They don't think that allows criminals, drugs or ... guns ... to come in the same way.

 

[Geaux4it]

How can any normal person be against heavily regulating weapons? Like the NRA prez who thinks that you combat gun violence with more guns. He's obviously insane. No?

I hear ya. When someone points a gun at you, stick a daisy in the barrel. Problem solved.

Try reading the op and commenting on the actual question rather than pontificating on how life works in your fairy land.

Keeping guns from criminals? Try regulating them a lot better. Don't let anyone just walk in and buy guns for cartels and whatnot. Get a proper grip on the industry. NORMAL PEOPLE don't need assault weapons either.

Only ones buying guns for the cartel are Odummer and Holder

-Geaux

 

[1776]

Well idiot....

You are comparing the US with mostly WHITE countries, smaller countries in population. Their numbers of minorities is dwarfed by the number of minorities in the USA.

Blacks and Hispanics are the more crime prone groups in the USA, so common sense says the US with millions more blacks and Hispanics will be more violent than little ole England.

I don't recall seeing Canada along the Mexican border, please tell. Canada isn't being invaded by poor and violent Hispanics coming across the border to take back their "ancient land." Canada gets invaded by Asians which are typically less violent than Hispanics.

So idiot....going around comparing the US, with blacks and Hispanics and where the RAP/HIP-HOP culture comes from, to smaller countries with less people in general and less minority groups overall....shows you are dumb as hell.

3.6 per 100000 is the rate of firearm murders in the USA. Care to break that down to a percent?

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As to violent crimes.

Total crimes statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Crime

and population.

List of countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When one compares population to recorded violent crime one finds that Germany, France, Great Britain and Canada have more per capita violence then the US and Italy has the same rate.

1st link: US 10.3 (homocides per 100,000), UK 0.25, Canada 2.38, France 3.01, Germany 1.24

2nd link: Crime stats, US 11,800,000; UK 6,500,000; Germany 6,500,000; Canada 2,500,000

3rd link population in millions: US 316; Ger 80; Fra 65; Can 35.

Conclusion: US is the worst of all countries mentioned. By far.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

3.6 per 100000 is the rate of firearm murders in the USA. Care to break that down to a percent?

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As to violent crimes.

Total crimes statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Crime

and population.

List of countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When one compares population to recorded violent crime one finds that Germany, France, Great Britain and Canada have more per capita violence then the US and Italy has the same rate.

1st link: US 10.3 (homocides per 100,000), UK 0.25, Canada 2.38, France 3.01, Germany 1.24

2nd link: Crime stats, US 11,800,000; UK 6,500,000; Germany 6,500,000; Canada 2,500,000

3rd link population in millions: US 316; Ger 80; Fra 65; Can 35.

Conclusion: US is the worst of all countries mentioned. By far.

You failed to do the math. As for US and homicides you are a liar it is 4.7 per 100000. The violence numbers are not per population, if one does the math then one finds that the violence in Germany, France, Canada and Great Britain exceeds the USA by a large margin.

 

[MonaGonna]

3.6 per 100000 is the rate of firearm murders in the USA. Care to break that down to a percent?

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As to violent crimes.

Total crimes statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Crime

and population.

List of countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When one compares population to recorded violent crime one finds that Germany, France, Great Britain and Canada have more per capita violence then the US and Italy has the same rate.

1st link: US 10.3 (homocides per 100,000), UK 0.25, Canada 2.38, France 3.01, Germany 1.24

2nd link: Crime stats, US 11,800,000; UK 6,500,000; Germany 6,500,000; Canada 2,500,000

3rd link population in millions: US 316; Ger 80; Fra 65; Can 35.

Conclusion: US is the worst of all countries mentioned. By far.

You failed to do the math. As for US and homicides you are a liar it is 4.7 per 100000. The violence numbers are not per population, if one does the math then one finds that the violence in Germany, France, Canada and Great Britain exceeds the USA by a large margin.

Sorry, you're drunk again. Violence is still much more likely to happen in the US, regardless of population. And it's not 4.7, retard. Put the bottle down.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

1st link: US 10.3 (homocides per 100,000), UK 0.25, Canada 2.38, France 3.01, Germany 1.24

2nd link: Crime stats, US 11,800,000; UK 6,500,000; Germany 6,500,000; Canada 2,500,000

3rd link population in millions: US 316; Ger 80; Fra 65; Can 35.

Conclusion: US is the worst of all countries mentioned. By far.

You failed to do the math. As for US and homicides you are a liar it is 4.7 per 100000. The violence numbers are not per population, if one does the math then one finds that the violence in Germany, France, Canada and Great Britain exceeds the USA by a large margin.

Sorry, you're drunk again. Violence is still much more likely to happen in the US, regardless of population. And it's not 4.7, retard. Put the bottle down.

Shall I do the math for you? You must be a idiot?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

For the slow and stupid.

the USA has 3 percent violent crime by population

The United Kingdom has 10 percent by population

Germany has 7 percent by population

France has 5 percent by population.

Canada has 7 percent by population.

The murder rate in the US is 4.7 per 100000 as established by the FBI. The link in question shows that 3.6 of those are by firearms.

List of countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Total crimes statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Crime

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[MonaGonna]

Buddy, look for an AA meeting soon.

"U.S. Has More Guns – And Gun Deaths – Than Any Other Country, Study Finds"
U.S. Has More Guns ? And Gun Deaths ? Than Any Other Country, Study Finds - ABC News

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Buddy, look for an AA meeting soon.

"U.S. Has More Guns – And Gun Deaths – Than Any Other Country, Study Finds"
U.S. Has More Guns ? And Gun Deaths ? Than Any Other Country, Study Finds - ABC News

We are not arguing gun deaths we are arguing overall violence. And that is not the US. I provided the facts supported by your buddy the UN.