Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[Steven_R]

Maybe you should re-read what I said: you can't be on drugs to buy a gun or ammo. Criminals all use drugs. Close the fucking barn door already. And I never said you couldn't have a gun to protect yourself. Geez, re-read what i posted for real.

And I specifically addressed your point repeatedly. You are just assuming that if a gun or ammo are illegal that criminals won't be able to buy them. The point is that they can and do buy them anyway.

Geez, read the op for real.

If each person can only buy 1 gun every ten years, no assault weapons... and you can't be on drugs, how are criminals going to arm up their posses?

Well, they are criminals. They can get guns the same way they get drugs: via smuggling. You think I can just bebop down to the 7-11 to get a full-auto AK-47? No, but I can get them from the cartels, the same way I can get cocaine and heroin. If it is profitable, the cartels will flood the streets with illegal guns just as easily as they did with drugs.

Nevermind how easy it is to just build one (earlier in this threat I posted a link to a blog about a guy who built a AK-47 receiver in his garage out of a shovel). Unless you're going to move the constructive intent goalposts to include lathes and metalworking equipment, there is nothing to stop someone from building a gun factory in their basement, and even criminals are smart enough to use a drill press.

 

[kaz]

Maybe you should re-read what I said: you can't be on drugs to buy a gun or ammo. Criminals all use drugs. Close the fucking barn door already. And I never said you couldn't have a gun to protect yourself. Geez, re-read what i posted for real.

And I specifically addressed your point repeatedly. You are just assuming that if a gun or ammo are illegal that criminals won't be able to buy them. The point is that they can and do buy them anyway.

Geez, read the op for real.

If each person can only buy 1 gun every ten years, no assault weapons... and you can't be on drugs, how are criminals going to arm up their posses?

Because you are assuming that criminals only will buy legal guns. How are you going to get someone selling them an illegal gun to take a drug test?

 

[Bern80]

This argument seems bizarre to me as well. That hunting is the most and only legitimate use of a gun by a private citizen and I am hunter. To me the right to defend one's own life is a far more legitimate reason than the ability to gather food.

Mona believes that criminals won't break the law, so if guns and ammo are illegal they won't buy them to commit crimes. OK, granted, there are some details in that plan to be ironed out, I think she's working on that...

Like not selling bullets or guns to people on drugs, with no high school diploma, no real job. Maybe it would be 25 years old minimum. Not sell assault weapons. Only one gun per 10 years per person, and then only enough ammo to either hunt or protect your home, not unlimited supply of ammo anytime. You want to practise, they'll sell you ammo at the range. Like guys, don't you think SOMETHING has to be done?

Certainly, but focusing on inanimate objects isn't it. Believe it or not in all these mass killing the common denominator is not guns. The common denominator is a sick mind. Why are we not centering the conversation around that? Why are we not trying to figure out how Adam Lanza mentally got to the point where he felt he had to do this? Why are we not talking aobut ways to keep people this dangerous out of society in general? Why aren't we talking about how these people can be involuntarily commited when they pose this much danger to society. That is where the danger to society is coming from. Not from guns. It's coming from people in a dangerous mental state.

 

[BarrySoetoro]

Liberals don't have a clue on gun control.

 

[MonaGonna]

And I specifically addressed your point repeatedly. You are just assuming that if a gun or ammo are illegal that criminals won't be able to buy them. The point is that they can and do buy them anyway.

Geez, read the op for real.

If each person can only buy 1 gun every ten years, no assault weapons... and you can't be on drugs, how are criminals going to arm up their posses?

Because you are assuming that criminals only will buy legal guns. How are you going to get someone selling them an illegal gun to take a drug test?

I realize that there are tons of guns out there now, but close the barn door, and eventually guns won't work, will get thrown in the water, will make it into Mexico... and over time, the supply of guns out there will keep going down. Have to do something, c'mon. Plus regulate bullets a lot better?

And Bern, YOU should go get yourself checked for mental health problems, just to be sure.

 

[kaz]

If each person can only buy 1 gun every ten years, no assault weapons... and you can't be on drugs, how are criminals going to arm up their posses?

Because you are assuming that criminals only will buy legal guns. How are you going to get someone selling them an illegal gun to take a drug test?

I realize that there are tons of guns out there now, but close the barn door, and eventually guns won't work, will get thrown in the water, will make it into Mexico... and over time, the supply of guns out there will keep going down. Have to do something, c'mon. Plus regulate bullets a lot better?

And Bern, YOU should go get yourself checked for mental health problems, just to be sure.

And how are you going to prevent guns from coming in and replacing them?

The Left want free flow of illegal immigration, so they just walk across the border. Criminals, drugs, they all come with them. They are coming now, seriously, bringing guns and using/selling them wouldn't occur to them? Criminals won't just go across the border and walk back either?

Seriously, read ... the ... op. What scares you about doing that?

 

[kaz]

Mona believes that criminals won't break the law, so if guns and ammo are illegal they won't buy them to commit crimes. OK, granted, there are some details in that plan to be ironed out, I think she's working on that...

Like not selling bullets or guns to people on drugs, with no high school diploma, no real job. Maybe it would be 25 years old minimum. Not sell assault weapons. Only one gun per 10 years per person, and then only enough ammo to either hunt or protect your home, not unlimited supply of ammo anytime. You want to practise, they'll sell you ammo at the range. Like guys, don't you think SOMETHING has to be done?

Certainly, but focusing on inanimate objects isn't it. Believe it or not in all these mass killing the common denominator is not guns. The common denominator is a sick mind. Why are we not centering the conversation around that? Why are we not trying to figure out how Adam Lanza mentally got to the point where he felt he had to do this? Why are we not talking aobut ways to keep people this dangerous out of society in general? Why aren't we talking about how these people can be involuntarily commited when they pose this much danger to society. That is where the danger to society is coming from. Not from guns. It's coming from people in a dangerous mental state.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. That is spot on.

And the idea that even if we do go to liberal fantasy land and somehow they couldn't get a gun, they couldn't think of any other way to kill people? Timothy McVie came up with something....

There are a lot of dangerous things in the world. Pretending gun laws will remove guns is fantasy, so is believing that would make the world safe. It's the gun! No, it's the criminal...

 

[MonaGonna]

Because you are assuming that criminals only will buy legal guns. How are you going to get someone selling them an illegal gun to take a drug test?

I realize that there are tons of guns out there now, but close the barn door, and eventually guns won't work, will get thrown in the water, will make it into Mexico... and over time, the supply of guns out there will keep going down. Have to do something, c'mon. Plus regulate bullets a lot better?

And Bern, YOU should go get yourself checked for mental health problems, just to be sure.

And how are you going to prevent guns from coming in and replacing them?

The Left want free flow of illegal immigration, so they just walk across the border. Criminals, drugs, they all come with them. They are coming now, seriously, bringing guns and using/selling them wouldn't occur to them? Criminals won't just go across the border and walk back either?

Seriously, read ... the ... op. What scares you about doing that?

The border should be closed regardless, I don't know what you guys are waiting for. Deputize every Texan to shoot illegals coming across the border. They're all up to no good anyways.

 

[kaz]

I realize that there are tons of guns out there now, but close the barn door, and eventually guns won't work, will get thrown in the water, will make it into Mexico... and over time, the supply of guns out there will keep going down. Have to do something, c'mon. Plus regulate bullets a lot better?

And Bern, YOU should go get yourself checked for mental health problems, just to be sure.

And how are you going to prevent guns from coming in and replacing them?

The Left want free flow of illegal immigration, so they just walk across the border. Criminals, drugs, they all come with them. They are coming now, seriously, bringing guns and using/selling them wouldn't occur to them? Criminals won't just go across the border and walk back either?

Seriously, read ... the ... op. What scares you about doing that?

The border should be closed regardless, I don't know what you guys are waiting for. Deputize every Texan to shoot illegals coming across the border. They're all up to no good anyways.

The American left call anyone who wants to do that a racist and then campaign in the Latino community Republicans hate them.

The one thing the left is doing that does reduce illegal immigration is they are destroying our economy so there are fewer jobs and fewer people come illegally to try to get them. However, that doesn't prevent the criminals and drug runners from crossing the open border.

 

[Steven_R]

Plus regulate bullets a lot better?

Anyone with a high school chemistry class can make gunpowder and lead is readily available. I can make a gun in my garage and it isn't that much harder to make ammunition from scratch as well.

You want to create an underground economy, then ban something. Suddenly that thing you banned is everywhere because of people looking to cash in and profit off of the black market you just created and that leads to all kinds of violence as criminals seek to get a bigger piece of the pie.

 

[kaz]

Plus regulate bullets a lot better?

Anyone with a high school chemistry class can make gunpowder and lead is readily available. I can make a gun in my garage and it isn't that much harder to make ammunition from scratch as well.

You want to create an underground economy, then ban something. Suddenly that thing you banned is everywhere because of people looking to cash in and profit off of the black market you just created and that leads to all kinds of violence as criminals seek to get a bigger piece of the pie.

The end of Al Capone and organized crime in the 20s wasn't Eliot Ness, it was the end of prohibition.

Yet today, we insist on repeating the same thing with drugs, which funds organized crime.

And liberals want to give them guns as well...

Organized crime loves all those laws.

 

[M14 Shooter]

This topic contines to support the premise that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/oh dishonesty.

 

[MonaGonna]

Because you are assuming that criminals only will buy legal guns. How are you going to get someone selling them an illegal gun to take a drug test?

I realize that there are tons of guns out there now, but close the barn door, and eventually guns won't work, will get thrown in the water, will make it into Mexico... and over time, the supply of guns out there will keep going down. Have to do something, c'mon. Plus regulate bullets a lot better?

And Bern, YOU should go get yourself checked for mental health problems, just to be sure.

And how are you going to prevent guns from coming in and replacing them?

The Left want free flow of illegal immigration, so they just walk across the border. Criminals, drugs, they all come with them. They are coming now, seriously, bringing guns and using/selling them wouldn't occur to them? Criminals won't just go across the border and walk back either?

Seriously, read ... the ... op. What scares you about doing that?

It's a pretty simple concept actually. Lots of countries around the world regulate guns pretty heavily and all of them have gun deaths lower than the US. Gun nuts must want kids to get shot at school?

 

[Wildman]

The standard progressive mantra. DO SOMETHING!! (is it effective?? WHO CARES ITS SOMETHING!!!!)

all of your ideas are infringement, and thus require a constitutional amendment, get working on that.

Mona, the genie is already out of the bottle. You heard it from Marty, there's nothing that can be done. It's just the price we pay for living in a country of gun totin' hillbillies.

Things can be done. Enforce current laws if you catch a felon with a firearm. Create a system where mentally deficient people are adjudicated and prevented from owning firearms. Increase penalties for committing crimes with a firearm. Allow people who have CCW's to carry their weapons except in controlled perimeter locations.

All of these can be done without infringing on my right to own a firearm, and would actually do something to reduce gun violence.

gun violence gawd-a-mighty how i do hate that term
i have never seen a violent gun in all my 60+ years of owning one, could you provide a photo of a violent gun just so i can avoid one if one comes my way

 

[MonaGonna]

Mona, the genie is already out of the bottle. You heard it from Marty, there's nothing that can be done. It's just the price we pay for living in a country of gun totin' hillbillies.

Things can be done. Enforce current laws if you catch a felon with a firearm. Create a system where mentally deficient people are adjudicated and prevented from owning firearms. Increase penalties for committing crimes with a firearm. Allow people who have CCW's to carry their weapons except in controlled perimeter locations.

All of these can be done without infringing on my right to own a firearm, and would actually do something to reduce gun violence.

gun violence gawd-a-mighty how i do hate that term
i have never seen a violent gun in all my 60+ years of owning one, could you provide a photo of a violent gun just so i can avoid one if one comes my way

All guns are violent. They're made to kill. That's their only purpose. Geez, what a noob. No wonder there are so many gun deaths in the US, with duffusses like you.

 

[martybegan]

Things can be done. Enforce current laws if you catch a felon with a firearm. Create a system where mentally deficient people are adjudicated and prevented from owning firearms. Increase penalties for committing crimes with a firearm. Allow people who have CCW's to carry their weapons except in controlled perimeter locations.

All of these can be done without infringing on my right to own a firearm, and would actually do something to reduce gun violence.

gun violence gawd-a-mighty how i do hate that term
i have never seen a violent gun in all my 60+ years of owning one, could you provide a photo of a violent gun just so i can avoid one if one comes my way

All guns are violent. They're made to kill. That's their only purpose. Geez, what a noob. No wonder there are so many gun deaths in the US, with duffusses like you.

Thier purpose is to propel a projectile via chemical explosive combustion. The person is who decides what the purpose of the projectile is.

 

[MonaGonna]

gun violence gawd-a-mighty how i do hate that term
i have never seen a violent gun in all my 60+ years of owning one, could you provide a photo of a violent gun just so i can avoid one if one comes my way

All guns are violent. They're made to kill. That's their only purpose. Geez, what a noob. No wonder there are so many gun deaths in the US, with duffusses like you.

Thier purpose is to propel a projectile via chemical explosive combustion. The person is who decides what the purpose of the projectile is.

And given the number of gun deaths in the US every year, people are proving not to be trustworthy with guns.

 

[martybegan]

All guns are violent. They're made to kill. That's their only purpose. Geez, what a noob. No wonder there are so many gun deaths in the US, with duffusses like you.

Thier purpose is to propel a projectile via chemical explosive combustion. The person is who decides what the purpose of the projectile is.

And given the number of gun deaths in the US every year, people are proving not to be trustworthy with guns.

Of the rounds fired through guns every year, how many result in death or injury? I have a feeling is a very small percentage, on the order of 10 or so zeros after the decimal point, followed by a 1.

JoeB is this you?

 

[MonaGonna]

Thier purpose is to propel a projectile via chemical explosive combustion. The person is who decides what the purpose of the projectile is.

And given the number of gun deaths in the US every year, people are proving not to be trustworthy with guns.

Of the rounds fired through guns every year, how many result in death or injury? I have a feeling is a very small percentage, on the order of 10 or so zeros after the decimal point, followed by a 1.

JoeB is this you?

You'll never get around the fact that countries with less guns have less guns deaths. No amount of rationalizing about how it's the person, not the gun, will ever bring back all the schoolchildren who were gunned down at school. People like you are part of the problem. Do you at least get that?

 

[martybegan]

And given the number of gun deaths in the US every year, people are proving not to be trustworthy with guns.

Of the rounds fired through guns every year, how many result in death or injury? I have a feeling is a very small percentage, on the order of 10 or so zeros after the decimal point, followed by a 1.

JoeB is this you?

You'll never get around the fact that countries with less guns have less guns deaths. No amount of rationalizing about how it's the person, not the gun, will ever bring back all the schoolchildren who were gunned down at school. People like you are part of the problem. Do you at least get that?

Standard appeal to emotion from gun grabbers, with no real plan to prevent criminals from getting or making guns even after they have disarmed all the non governmental law abiding citizens.

Move to your socialist utopias, please, now.