Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[MonaGonna]

Of the rounds fired through guns every year, how many result in death or injury? I have a feeling is a very small percentage, on the order of 10 or so zeros after the decimal point, followed by a 1.

JoeB is this you?

You'll never get around the fact that countries with less guns have less guns deaths. No amount of rationalizing about how it's the person, not the gun, will ever bring back all the schoolchildren who were gunned down at school. People like you are part of the problem. Do you at least get that?

Standard appeal to emotion from gun grabbers, with no real plan to prevent criminals from getting or making guns even after they have disarmed all the non governmental law abiding citizens.

Move to your socialist utopias, please, now.

OK, so what's YOUR plan to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

 

[martybegan]

You'll never get around the fact that countries with less guns have less guns deaths. No amount of rationalizing about how it's the person, not the gun, will ever bring back all the schoolchildren who were gunned down at school. People like you are part of the problem. Do you at least get that?

Standard appeal to emotion from gun grabbers, with no real plan to prevent criminals from getting or making guns even after they have disarmed all the non governmental law abiding citizens.

Move to your socialist utopias, please, now.

OK, so what's YOUR plan to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

Arrest people who commit crimes with firearms and put them in jail.

Arrest people who shouldnt have firearms and put them in jail.

Arrest people who sell firearms to people who shouldnt have them and put them in jail.

It is up to law enforcement to enforce laws, its not up to me to lose my rights because someone else broke the law.

 

[kaz]

I realize that there are tons of guns out there now, but close the barn door, and eventually guns won't work, will get thrown in the water, will make it into Mexico... and over time, the supply of guns out there will keep going down. Have to do something, c'mon. Plus regulate bullets a lot better?

And Bern, YOU should go get yourself checked for mental health problems, just to be sure.

And how are you going to prevent guns from coming in and replacing them?

The Left want free flow of illegal immigration, so they just walk across the border. Criminals, drugs, they all come with them. They are coming now, seriously, bringing guns and using/selling them wouldn't occur to them? Criminals won't just go across the border and walk back either?

Seriously, read ... the ... op. What scares you about doing that?

It's a pretty simple concept actually. Lots of countries around the world regulate guns pretty heavily and all of them have gun deaths lower than the US.

Yes, the concept is simple. Simple and working unfortunately are completely different things. We try it with drugs and it doesn't work. "France" isn't an argument. Joe mentioned that one too. Assuming the truth of your own position is also simple. The American left are intellectually lazy too.

Gun nuts must want kids to get shot at school?

Yes, we want kids to get shot at school. Google the fallacy "begging the question" to learn what you are doing. Oh, and "ad homenim." You might try "strawman fallacy" and "deflection" too. Then you'll know the terms for the arguments you are making.

 

[kaz]

You'll never get around the fact that countries with less guns have less guns deaths. No amount of rationalizing about how it's the person, not the gun, will ever bring back all the schoolchildren who were gunned down at school. People like you are part of the problem. Do you at least get that?

Standard appeal to emotion from gun grabbers, with no real plan to prevent criminals from getting or making guns even after they have disarmed all the non governmental law abiding citizens.

Move to your socialist utopias, please, now.

OK, so what's YOUR plan to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

Read the op.

 

[MonaGonna]

And how are you going to prevent guns from coming in and replacing them?

The Left want free flow of illegal immigration, so they just walk across the border. Criminals, drugs, they all come with them. They are coming now, seriously, bringing guns and using/selling them wouldn't occur to them? Criminals won't just go across the border and walk back either?

Seriously, read ... the ... op. What scares you about doing that?

Yes, the concept is simple. Simple and working unfortunately are completely different things. We try it with drugs and it doesn't work. "France" isn't an argument. Joe mentioned that one too.

Gun nuts must want kids to get shot at school?

Yes, we want kids to get shot at school. Google the fallacy "begging the question" to learn what you are doing. Oh, and "ad homenim." You might try "strawman fallacy" and "deflection" too. Then you'll know the terms for the arguments you are making.

So what's not working? Countries with strict regulations have a much lower number of gun deaths. Pretty simple concept actually.

 

[kaz]

So what's not working? Countries with strict regulations have a much lower number of gun deaths. Pretty simple concept actually.

The word isn't "simple" it's "simplistic." What is the point in my addressing that as I've explained over and over about that the US is different than France and you just ignore every point and just repeat this inane one? What about actually addressing the arguments and then we build on it instead of just repeating your point that every country is the same and the same solution will work. Even though as I pointed out we already know it doesn't work here. And all you end up doing is funding organized crime while you ensure that only criminals have guns.

You know what is funny though is how the international leftists like you are always saying about Americans that we don't grasp the world is all like us, then you tell everyone we are all like you...

 

[billyerock1991]

easy have all the registered voters in the country who are registered as republicans and independents(who are ashamed republicans) pass a law that says all registered republicans and independents(who are ashamed republicans) have their guns taken away by force if needed... and for those cold dead fingers that's what a bolt cutter is for...

 

[MonaGonna]

Standard appeal to emotion from gun grabbers, with no real plan to prevent criminals from getting or making guns even after they have disarmed all the non governmental law abiding citizens.

Move to your socialist utopias, please, now.

OK, so what's YOUR plan to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

Read the op.

You have no plan? Then maybe... how about... like... stfu?

 

[MonaGonna]

So what's not working? Countries with strict regulations have a much lower number of gun deaths. Pretty simple concept actually.

The word isn't "simple" it's "simplistic." What is the point in my addressing that as I've explained over and over about that the US is different than France and you just ignore every point and just repeat this inane one? What about actually addressing the arguments and then we build on it instead of just repeating your point that every country is the same and the same solution will work. Even though as I pointed out we already know it doesn't work here. And all you end up doing is funding organized crime while you ensure that only criminals have guns.

You know what is funny though is how the international leftists like you are always saying about Americans that we don't grasp the world is all like us, then you tell everyone we are all like you...

What doesn't work? You don't say, just deflect.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Yes, the concept is simple. Simple and working unfortunately are completely different things. We try it with drugs and it doesn't work. "France" isn't an argument. Joe mentioned that one too.



Yes, we want kids to get shot at school. Google the fallacy "begging the question" to learn what you are doing. Oh, and "ad homenim." You might try "strawman fallacy" and "deflection" too. Then you'll know the terms for the arguments you are making.

So what's not working? Countries with strict regulations have a much lower number of gun deaths. Pretty simple concept actually.

No it's not that simple.

Not every country reports gun crimes in the same manner. For instance in the UK they don't list a gun death as a homicide unless there's a conviction.

Both the UK and Australia instituted strict gun control legislation which basically eliminated private gun ownership in 1997. However, neither countries' legislation had an impact on lowering violent crime, and in both cases violent crime actually went up in the years following the enactment of the gun legislation.

Moreover, despite the UK having its gun ban, the violent crime rate is still far above that of the United States, and the country has also earned the title of violent crime capital of Europe.

7 Gun Control Facts That Are Actually Myths

 

[MonaGonna]

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country | News | theguardian.com

England and Wales had 41 gun deaths, compared to the US' 9,146. Doesn't get any clearer than that.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country | News | theguardian.com

England and Wales had 41 gun deaths, compared to the US' 9,146. Doesn't get any clearer than that.

Hey stupid, as I have already told your dumbass those countries do not use the same criteria that
the US does. You're comparing apples to oranges.

 

[MonaGonna]

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country | News | theguardian.com

England and Wales had 41 gun deaths, compared to the US' 9,146. Doesn't get any clearer than that.

Hey stupid, as I have already told your dumbass those countries do not use the same criteria that
the US does. You're comparing apples to oranges.

So you're saying that they're lying to the tune of 10,000+ gun deaths?

 

[Bern80]

And given the number of gun deaths in the US every year, people are proving not to be trustworthy with guns.

Of the rounds fired through guns every year, how many result in death or injury? I have a feeling is a very small percentage, on the order of 10 or so zeros after the decimal point, followed by a 1.

JoeB is this you?

You'll never get around the fact that countries with less guns have less guns deaths. No amount of rationalizing about how it's the person, not the gun, will ever bring back all the schoolchildren who were gunned down at school. People like you are part of the problem. Do you at least get that?

That's true. The problem with this particular argument is that's true of a lot of objects. Countries with fewer cars have fewer car deaths i would imagine as well, yet you're not suggesting we limit our outright ban those.

 

[MonaGonna]

Of the rounds fired through guns every year, how many result in death or injury? I have a feeling is a very small percentage, on the order of 10 or so zeros after the decimal point, followed by a 1.

JoeB is this you?

You'll never get around the fact that countries with less guns have less guns deaths. No amount of rationalizing about how it's the person, not the gun, will ever bring back all the schoolchildren who were gunned down at school. People like you are part of the problem. Do you at least get that?

That's true. The problem with this particular argument is that's true of a lot of objects. Countries with fewer cars have fewer car deaths i would imagine as well, yet you're not suggesting we limit our outright ban those.

Then start a thread about that?

So what's YOUR solution? Do you even have one?

 

[Bern80]

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country | News | theguardian.com

England and Wales had 41 gun deaths, compared to the US' 9,146. Doesn't get any clearer than that.

Again youu're ignoring the issue. All you care about is guns. You don't seem to care one iota that these countries for some reason have a lot of people mentally prone to violence. Again that's the common denomintor. You asked if we thought something needs to be done about this. I for one said yes and you ignored that.....

Certainly, but focusing on inanimate objects isn't it. Believe it or not in all these mass killing the common denominator is not guns. The common denominator is a sick mind. Why are we not centering the conversation around that? Why are we not trying to figure out how Adam Lanza mentally got to the point where he felt he had to do this? Why are we not talking aobut ways to keep people this dangerous out of society in general? Why aren't we talking about how these people can be involuntarily commited when they pose this much danger to society. That is where the danger to society is coming from. Not from guns. It's coming from people in a dangerous mental state.

To me that you would like to just sweep the people with these mental issues under the rug like they don't have an issue that should concern all of us and instead focus on taking guns from innocent people, makes YOU the callous person in my book, not those of us who want are rights defended.

 

[MonaGonna]

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country | News | theguardian.com

England and Wales had 41 gun deaths, compared to the US' 9,146. Doesn't get any clearer than that.

Again youu're ignoring the issue. All you care about is guns. You don't seem to care one iota that these countries for some reason have a lot of people mentally prone to violence. Again that's the common denomintor. You asked if we thought something needs to be done about this. I for one said yes and you ignored that.....

Certainly, but focusing on inanimate objects isn't it. Believe it or not in all these mass killing the common denominator is not guns. The common denominator is a sick mind. Why are we not centering the conversation around that? Why are we not trying to figure out how Adam Lanza mentally got to the point where he felt he had to do this? Why are we not talking aobut ways to keep people this dangerous out of society in general? Why aren't we talking about how these people can be involuntarily commited when they pose this much danger to society. That is where the danger to society is coming from. Not from guns. It's coming from people in a dangerous mental state.

To me that you would rather focus on inanimate objects rather than helping people that are obviously in serious need of it, makes YOU the callous person in my book, not those of us who want are rights defended.

So your plan to keep guns out of the hands of criminals is to treat them all for mental health issues?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country | News | theguardian.com

England and Wales had 41 gun deaths, compared to the US' 9,146. Doesn't get any clearer than that.

Hey stupid, as I have already told your dumbass those countries do not use the same criteria that
the US does. You're comparing apples to oranges.

So you're saying that they're lying to the tune of 10,000+ gun deaths?

I'm not saying anyone is lying. I'm saying that it's not an accurate comparison when you use results where different criteria are used.

Do try to keep up.

 

[kaz]

easy have all the registered voters in the country who are registered as republicans and independents(who are ashamed republicans) pass a law that says all registered republicans and independents(who are ashamed republicans) have their guns taken away by force if needed... and for those cold dead fingers that's what a bolt cutter is for...

And that will fix it because they commit so many of the murders, do they?

 

[kaz]

OK, so what's YOUR plan to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

Read the op.

You have no plan? Then maybe... how about... like... stfu?

I've stated my plan over and over. Follow the Constitution, allow people the right to defend themselves, once someone commits a crime with a gun put them in prison and keep them there. What about that confuses you exactly?