Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[MonaGonna]

^^^^^^^^^^ See what I'm saying?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

We need some that actually work.

Prove the ones we have aren't working and then offer ones you think will.

Please be specific and use credible sources.

300 million guns out there and 9,600 gun deaths, not to mention the wounded and the robbed. Guns spilling into Mexico help cause 11,000 gun deaths there in one year. Gun crazy culture that's out of control. The NRA imbeciles. People with low IQ owning all kinds of nasty weapons. Tons of people like you who don't see a problem and need to sell as many guns as they can to make money. ...

Ok, now link everything you stated to inferior enforcement.

And again offer laws you think will work.

And please do try to use credible sources.

When you start throwing figures out it helps to back them up.

On a side note, you're blaming the death rate in Mexico on what you perceive to be weak enforcement on the USA's part?

That's quite a stretch.

 

[kaz]

So gun manufacturers make guns and sell them illegally?

If you mean existing, legal gun manufacturers, probably not. What is the relevance of your question?

Clamp down on the people selling legal guns and you won't have so many illegal ones. Pretty simple concept actually. Do you need me to go through it word by word with you?

Yes you do, because that's just stupid and irrelevant. Nobody argued that legal US manufacturers would sell them on the black market. What does that have to do with anything? What difference does that make? There are plenty of international arms manufacturers and guns are already everywhere. Seriously, have you been reading the discussion?

 

[kaz]

Clamp down on the people selling legal guns and you won't have so many illegal ones. Pretty simple concept actually. Do you need me to go through it word by word with you?

Without guns, how do I protect my family?

Clamp down on people who use guns illegally. Let law abiding Americans assist through constitutional carry.

Society is safer when criminals don't know who's armed.

-Geaux

Ok, I guess I need to go through it word by word, lol.

"Clamp down", does not mean take everyone's guns away, it means restrict the sales of guns. Right now, there are no restrictions, or meaningless ones that obviously don't work. Find some that do work.

Same question you keep evading. So you restrict sales of guns to honest citizens without doing anything about illegal sales to criminals, and that helps the situation how exactly?

 

[kaz]

Ok, I guess I need to go through it word by word, lol.

"Clamp down", does not mean take everyone's guns away, it means restrict the sales of guns. Right now, there are no restrictions, or meaningless ones that obviously don't work. Find some that do work.

Hey stupid, I own a gun store. There ARE restrictions!!!!

We need some that actually work.

Which is the question in the op you have no answer for. Propose some that would work, so far you have only proposed restrictions on sales to honest citizens who follow the law.

Did you know that criminals are willing to break the law? Think about it, they are ... wait for it ... criminals. You are still not getting that dynamic.

 

[LawSelfDefense]

Ted Cruz Tells Trayvon's Mother Why Stand Your Ground Laws Can't Possibly Be 'Racist' - YouTube

Andrew Branca at legal insurrection

has a nice recap of the hearing

Hey, thanks for the kind words, it's much appreciated!

--Andrew, [MENTION=45815]LawSelfDefense[/MENTION]

 

[M14 Shooter]

So gun manufacturers make guns and sell them illegally?

If you mean existing, legal gun manufacturers, probably not. What is the relevance of your question?

Clamp down on the people selling legal guns and you won't have so many illegal ones. Pretty simple concept actually. Do you need me to go through it word by word with you?

MonaGonna
Banned

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If you mean existing, legal gun manufacturers, probably not. What is the relevance of your question?

Clamp down on the people selling legal guns and you won't have so many illegal ones. Pretty simple concept actually. Do you need me to go through it word by word with you?

MonaGonna
Banned

To bad we can not ask why )

 

[jon_berzerk]

Clamp down on the people selling legal guns and you won't have so many illegal ones. Pretty simple concept actually. Do you need me to go through it word by word with you?

MonaGonna
Banned

To bad we can not ask why )

bummer

--LOL

 

[jon_berzerk]

Ted Cruz Tells Trayvon's Mother Why Stand Your Ground Laws Can't Possibly Be 'Racist' - YouTube

Andrew Branca at legal insurrection

has a nice recap of the hearing

Hey, thanks for the kind words, it's much appreciated!

--Andrew, [MENTION=45815]LawSelfDefense[/MENTION]

Anytime. You have some real informative information.

http://lawofselfdefense.com/

 

[kaz]

Did anyone notice the LA shooter was stopped with guns? What's up with that?

The TSA agents who shot back should have been disciplined for escalating the situation, right Pogo?

 

[Pogo]

Did anyone notice the LA shooter was stopped with guns? What's up with that?

The TSA agents who shot back should have been disciplined for escalating the situation, right Pogo?

Because a culture obsessed with gun-on-gun media porn is a healthy one -- right Kaz?

 

[kaz]

Did anyone notice the LA shooter was stopped with guns? What's up with that?

The TSA agents who shot back should have been disciplined for escalating the situation, right Pogo?

Because a culture obsessed with gun-on-gun media porn is a healthy one -- right Kaz?

Can you ask me a question that is in some way connected to an actual point I've made in the real world instead of in your head?

 

[Pogo]

Did anyone notice the LA shooter was stopped with guns? What's up with that?

The TSA agents who shot back should have been disciplined for escalating the situation, right Pogo?

Because a culture obsessed with gun-on-gun media porn is a healthy one -- right Kaz?

Can you ask me a question that is in some way connected to an actual point I've made in the real world instead of in your head?

Just did.

 

[Spoonman]

if any one is to blame for the gun culture in america it is liberals. that's right liberals. liberal hollywood. movies and tv show portray gun violence in a positive light. Its good to be the bad boy. the liberal music industry. just listen to todays music. again, its good to be the bad boy. some one disrespects you, you blow them away. liberals run around claiming the NRA is at fault along with inbred hillbilly gun nuts. THe NRA promotes responsible gun ownership. the probelm with gun violence today clearly lies on the backs of liberals and the vehicles they use to promote it. for their own profit of course

 

[kaz]

Because a culture obsessed with gun-on-gun media porn is a healthy one -- right Kaz?

Can you ask me a question that is in some way connected to an actual point I've made in the real world instead of in your head?

Just did.

Actually, recognizing a situation where it takes a gun to stop a nut with a gun doesn't take a position either way on whether I'm in favor of a gun culture or not.

 

[kaz]

if any one is to blame for the gun culture in america it is liberals. that's right liberals. liberal hollywood. movies and tv show portray gun violence in a positive light. Its good to be the bad boy. the liberal music industry. just listen to todays music. again, its good to be the bad boy. some one disrespects you, you blow them away. liberals run around claiming the NRA is at fault along with inbred hillbilly gun nuts. THe NRA promotes responsible gun ownership. the probelm with gun violence today clearly lies on the backs of liberals and the vehicles they use to promote it. for their own profit of course

The liberals certainly to your point are doing nothing productive regarding the gun culture, but I have a hard time saying they are to "blame" for it.

Our history was fighting with the British against their enemies in Europe and their allies in the Americas to conquer the new world and against them to free ourselves from them while we hunted and defended ourselves, our families and our properties. Guns were deeply in our culture long before modern liberalism came along

 

[Pogo]

if any one is to blame for the gun culture in america it is liberals. that's right liberals. liberal hollywood. movies and tv show portray gun violence in a positive light. Its good to be the bad boy. the liberal music industry. just listen to todays music. again, its good to be the bad boy. some one disrespects you, you blow them away. liberals run around claiming the NRA is at fault along with inbred hillbilly gun nuts. THe NRA promotes responsible gun ownership. the probelm with gun violence today clearly lies on the backs of liberals and the vehicles they use to promote it. for their own profit of course

You're quite right about Hollyweird, television, and you didn't mention the gaming "industry". Music, well that more or less reflects what's already there; it's not a visual medium, which is a crucial distinction.

But none of those industries are even political, let alone "liberal". That's just simple capitalism, making money on the LCD. And what's in that LCD depends on the cultural values already there, and voilà, we're back to the gun fetishism.

Nice try at trying to make a cultural aspect into a political one, but it's a non-starter.

Nice try at Doublethink too, mentioning the NRA and then trying to claim it's somebody else that's in it for profit.

 

[Pogo]

if any one is to blame for the gun culture in america it is liberals. that's right liberals. liberal hollywood. movies and tv show portray gun violence in a positive light. Its good to be the bad boy. the liberal music industry. just listen to todays music. again, its good to be the bad boy. some one disrespects you, you blow them away. liberals run around claiming the NRA is at fault along with inbred hillbilly gun nuts. THe NRA promotes responsible gun ownership. the probelm with gun violence today clearly lies on the backs of liberals and the vehicles they use to promote it. for their own profit of course

The liberals certainly to your point are doing nothing productive regarding the gun culture, but I have a hard time saying they are to "blame" for it.

Our history was fighting with the British against their enemies in Europe and their allies in the Americas to conquer the new world and against them to free ourselves from them while we hunted and defended ourselves, our families and our properties. Guns were deeply in our culture long before modern liberalism came along

By George, I think you just got it, or at least part of it.

You can continue with the wild west and the "only good Indian is a dead Indian"...

 

[kaz]

if any one is to blame for the gun culture in america it is liberals. that's right liberals. liberal hollywood. movies and tv show portray gun violence in a positive light. Its good to be the bad boy. the liberal music industry. just listen to todays music. again, its good to be the bad boy. some one disrespects you, you blow them away. liberals run around claiming the NRA is at fault along with inbred hillbilly gun nuts. THe NRA promotes responsible gun ownership. the probelm with gun violence today clearly lies on the backs of liberals and the vehicles they use to promote it. for their own profit of course

The liberals certainly to your point are doing nothing productive regarding the gun culture, but I have a hard time saying they are to "blame" for it.

Our history was fighting with the British against their enemies in Europe and their allies in the Americas to conquer the new world and against them to free ourselves from them while we hunted and defended ourselves, our families and our properties. Guns were deeply in our culture long before modern liberalism came along

By George, I think you just got it, or at least part of it.

You can continue with the wild west and the "only good Indian is a dead Indian"...

Indians were wrong to shoot back, they were escalating the situation.