Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[Hutch Starskey]

Well, it should be my call. Your stance like so many millions of others is entirely selfish.

Not selfish at all since my guns pose absolutely no threat to the public Because I pose absolutely no threat to the public.

There is no reason for my ownership of firearms to be restricted because some piece of shit uses a gun to kill someone.

I'm sure you're not a threat to the public. However, in order to restrict firearms from being in the hands of someone who is a threat (and I'm not just talking mass murder, but DV killings, gang killings, etc.) the rights of all need reasonable restriction.

We already have reasonable restriction.

Convicted felons can't buy guns, the adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns.

People with no criminal record need not be restricted.

So people like the shooter?

You can't restrict a person's right before he has committed a crime.

Restricting a right is not eliminating it. I've seen over and over how difficult it is to obtain full auto weapons in this thread. Is that not a sensible restriction?

 

[boedicca]

One thing I hope we all can agree on

Mandalay Bay gots some splainin to do, Lucy

How in the hell such a huge arsenal got to the top floor?

I've never had to go through a metal detector to check into any hotel in the U.S. It's not the hotel's fault, although I'm sure some slimey lawyer will try to flog up a class action suit to pick some deep pockets.

Well, the gun lobby would fight that; gun free zones kill people, doncha know.

Gun free zones make law-abiding citizens into sitting ducks, doncha know.

So the concert goers should have all been armed and shooting back at a hotel building? LOL You wingnuts are a real piece of work. .

You statists always think that people having the freedom to do something makes it compulsory.

 

[AntonToo]

You can be sure it's not a Muslim.

Couldn't have been a Muslim.

It's Muslims. Just like France and San Bernadino.

Fucking idiot.

Here, I got something tasty for you:

 

[Hutch Starskey]

So people like the shooter?

You can't restrict a person's right before he has committed a crime.

You can restrict weapons. Is being done now and there is no negative to it. Just less dead.

The only real restrictions are on automatic weapons and automatic weapons are not common.

Yes thanks to the restrictions.

No one really cares about automatic weapons.

Except Paddock.

 

[boedicca]

One thing I hope we all can agree on

Mandalay Bay gots some splainin to do, Lucy

How in the hell such a huge arsenal got to the top floor?

I've never had to go through a metal detector to check into any hotel in the U.S. It's not the hotel's fault, although I'm sure some slimey lawyer will try to flog up a class action suit to pick some deep pockets.

Well, the gun lobby would fight that; gun free zones kill people, doncha know.

Gun free zones make law-abiding citizens into sitting ducks, doncha know.

So the concert goers should have all been armed and shooting back at a hotel building? LOL You wingnuts are a real piece of work. .

You statists always think that people having the freedom to do something makes it compulsory.

 

[boedicca]

They are rare everywhere else. And ours keep getting worse.

Wrong. Ours are staying the same, but they are getting worse everywhere else because they already have the anti gun laws you want, they just can't seem to enforce them.

Strange this is the worst one ever. You call that staying the same?

The worst shooting, but not the worst mass murder. That bit of history belongs to a little shit who burned 80+ people to death in New York with a gallon of gasoline. Want to outlaw that too? That's the problem you have, you want to ban everything but the only people who follow bans are the legal people. The criminals laugh at you dipshits and say "thanks for making our crimes easier!"

Jerry Brown wants to outlaw gas in CA - he's pushing to forbid all gas and diesel powered vehicles by 2040!

He does? Good luck with that.....

He's our Crazy Old Uncle who should stay in the attic, but is somehow our governor...again.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Not selfish at all since my guns pose absolutely no threat to the public Because I pose absolutely no threat to the public.

There is no reason for my ownership of firearms to be restricted because some piece of shit uses a gun to kill someone.

I'm sure you're not a threat to the public. However, in order to restrict firearms from being in the hands of someone who is a threat (and I'm not just talking mass murder, but DV killings, gang killings, etc.) the rights of all need reasonable restriction.

We already have reasonable restriction.

Convicted felons can't buy guns, the adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns.

People with no criminal record need not be restricted.

So people like the shooter?

You can't restrict a person's right before he has committed a crime.

Restricting a right is not eliminating it. I've seen over and over how difficult it is to obtain full auto weapons in this thread. Is that not a sensible restriction?

As I said we already have reasonable restrictions.
No average gun owner really cares about automatic weapons. They are expensive, finicky and hard to maintain.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That's the point. Without requiring a check, anyone can buy anything and resell to anyone without any record of a transaction. Even if I sell a gun to a guy and go through a dealer, there's no control over who he could then sell it to. Universal checks should not be a problem for those who are honest. I would bet that quite a few of those opposed make some nice cash buying and selling.

And how is requiring a check going to stop the straw purchases or any purchase by a piece of shit criminal from another piece of shit criminal?

You're right. Loopholes shouldn't be closed in any way.

so you can't answer the question then.

The only way to target gun crime is to target the actual pieces of shit committing the crimes and put them the fuck away for an extremely long time.

The only way to target those pieces of shit is to register every weapon so their movements can be tracked. The registered owner is responsible for that gun. It can't change hands without transferring ownership.

As it is now. There is nothing to stop the free and undocumented movement of guns.

I disagree. There is no need for anyone to know if or what guns I own. if I sell any gun (which I never plan on and have never done btw) I will follow all laws and only sell to a person who is legally eligible to buy a gun because that's what law abiding people do.

I am not and will never be responsible for what criminals do.

You get those pieces of shit off the streets with long mandatory sentences with no parole for any crime committed while in possession of a firearm to be served consecutively along with sentences for additional crimes

I applaud your ethical ownership but certainly you can see how that is a huge problem when guns are able to be moved so freely.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You can't restrict a person's right before he has committed a crime.

You can restrict weapons. Is being done now and there is no negative to it. Just less dead.

The only real restrictions are on automatic weapons and automatic weapons are not common.

Yes thanks to the restrictions.

No one really cares about automatic weapons.

Except Paddock.

How often have fully automatic weapons been used in such a way?

If it was easy to covert the everyday semiauto to full auto as you think then the gang bangers in Chicago would all be packing full auto rifles.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That's great. That should be the case for everyone. It's really the only way to trace the movement of guns.

It really is no one's business how many guns or what guns I own. All that needs to be proven is that I am legally eligible to buy a gun at the time of sale.

What's stopping you from selling any or all of them to a guy who then sells them on to criminals? How could LE even know the transaction occurred?
You don't see this as a problem?

It is illegal to sell a gun to anyone not eligible to buy a gun.
That's what stops me but that doesn't stop a piece of shit criminal from doing it does it?

Laws only stop law abiding people from doing something.

What stops piece of shit criminals? LONG HARSH PRISON TIME WITH NO PAROLE.

What stops piece of shit criminals? LONG HARSH PRISON TIME WITH NO PAROLE.

Obviously it doesn't.

We don't sentence violent criminals to long mandatory sentences with no parole do we?

I believe it's federal time to use a gun.

 

[Skull Pilot]

And how is requiring a check going to stop the straw purchases or any purchase by a piece of shit criminal from another piece of shit criminal?

You're right. Loopholes shouldn't be closed in any way.

so you can't answer the question then.

The only way to target gun crime is to target the actual pieces of shit committing the crimes and put them the fuck away for an extremely long time.

The only way to target those pieces of shit is to register every weapon so their movements can be tracked. The registered owner is responsible for that gun. It can't change hands without transferring ownership.

As it is now. There is nothing to stop the free and undocumented movement of guns.

I disagree. There is no need for anyone to know if or what guns I own. if I sell any gun (which I never plan on and have never done btw) I will follow all laws and only sell to a person who is legally eligible to buy a gun because that's what law abiding people do.

I am not and will never be responsible for what criminals do.

You get those pieces of shit off the streets with long mandatory sentences with no parole for any crime committed while in possession of a firearm to be served consecutively along with sentences for additional crimes

I applaud your ethical ownership but certainly you can see how that is a huge problem when guns are able to be moved so freely.

The problem as I see it is we do not enforce the gun laws we already have with the necessary severity.

Guns are not the problem PEOPLE are the problem. Keep the violent people off the streets with mandatory long sentences with no parole and watch both the crime and murder rates plummet

 

[Skull Pilot]

It really is no one's business how many guns or what guns I own. All that needs to be proven is that I am legally eligible to buy a gun at the time of sale.

What's stopping you from selling any or all of them to a guy who then sells them on to criminals? How could LE even know the transaction occurred?
You don't see this as a problem?

It is illegal to sell a gun to anyone not eligible to buy a gun.
That's what stops me but that doesn't stop a piece of shit criminal from doing it does it?

Laws only stop law abiding people from doing something.

What stops piece of shit criminals? LONG HARSH PRISON TIME WITH NO PAROLE.

What stops piece of shit criminals? LONG HARSH PRISON TIME WITH NO PAROLE.

Obviously it doesn't.

We don't sentence violent criminals to long mandatory sentences with no parole do we?

I believe it's federal time to use a gun.

Not all murders are federal crimes gun or no gun

 

[Brain357]

You're right. Loopholes shouldn't be closed in any way.

so you can't answer the question then.

The only way to target gun crime is to target the actual pieces of shit committing the crimes and put them the fuck away for an extremely long time.

The only way to target those pieces of shit is to register every weapon so their movements can be tracked. The registered owner is responsible for that gun. It can't change hands without transferring ownership.

As it is now. There is nothing to stop the free and undocumented movement of guns.

I disagree. There is no need for anyone to know if or what guns I own. if I sell any gun (which I never plan on and have never done btw) I will follow all laws and only sell to a person who is legally eligible to buy a gun because that's what law abiding people do.

I am not and will never be responsible for what criminals do.

You get those pieces of shit off the streets with long mandatory sentences with no parole for any crime committed while in possession of a firearm to be served consecutively along with sentences for additional crimes

I applaud your ethical ownership but certainly you can see how that is a huge problem when guns are able to be moved so freely.

The problem as I see it is we do not enforce the gun laws we already have with the necessary severity.

Guns are not the problem PEOPLE are the problem. Keep the violent people off the streets with mandatory long sentences with no parole and watch both the crime and murder rates plummet

We have the fullest jails in the world. We just have criminals who are armed because we have so many guns.

 

[Rustic]

Did you know that more people are killed by fists and feet than by all types of rifles combines, even the scary black ones?

More people are killed with knives than by all rifles combined

More people are killed with hammers and other blunt objects than by all rifles combined

Didn't know that did ya?

Try killing almost 60 people and injuring over 400 from a 32 floor window using your fists and feet. Or a knife. No American civilian needs automatic or semiautomatic rifles. They couldn't effectively wage a war on our government with them, and they do nothing but allow killing machines to float through our society, to be grabbed up any time someone gets murder in his heart.

So only people who get killed in mass shootings count even though mass shootings result in 1% of all murders annually?

Skull, without automatic and semiautomatic weapons in the hands of any and every Tom Dick and Harry in this country, there would not be mass shootings. Yes there could be bombings or whatever incident Westwall keeps referring to with his gallon of gasoline. They would be far fewer and far between, which is the point. Damage control. Nothing will stop all killing but it would stop a LOT in this country. And yes, the people who get killed in mass shootings, doing nothing but going about their business, do count. You bet your ass they do.

Automatic weapons are very scarce in the general public.
Semiautomatic weapons have been around since the 1860's

It's not the guns that are the problem.

LOL. Semi's that can easily be converted to automatic fire and the INSTRUCTIONS to do so on the internet for all to learn are definitely the problem. Without a gun, no one would be shot.

It is not easy to convert, you obviously know nothing what you talk of

 

[Marion Morrison]

You wouldn't recognize a well constructed sentence even if it slapped you on the ass and called you Judy.

Judy? LOL. But Hutch is literate. That's foolish.

Looks like Paddock could be a pink pussy hat wearing anti Trump asshole

Nahh, Pink hat-wearer's nose is too wide. Facial structure is same, nose is too wide.

Ol' Flash is full of shit today. Never did give me a link on his claim that ANTIFA was taking responsibility.

You are confused Moon Bat.

I posted the message from the Melbourne ANTIFA. You didn't pay attention. We know the asshole lived in Florida so that establishes some degree of credibility. I don't know if it is true or the reports from ISIS are true. We will find out soon. If he is a Left Wing asshole like that hateful Negro that shot up the church last week or the anti Trump piece of shit that shot up the Congressmen then expect it to be covered up by the Liberal media.


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I'm guessing that guy was as ANTIFA as I am the Queen of Sheba. Isn't Melbourne in Australia? What in hell has Florida got to do with anything?

Dear OldLady

Melbourne is a city in FL. A very nice one. Awesome beaches, woods, clean town, not too big. They have it all.

You can even drive down onto the nice beach and park.

It's in Brevard county.

We used to go over there and stay with my friend's cousin frequently.

Fun times.

 

[koshergrl]

 

[LoneLaugher]

Judy? LOL. But Hutch is literate. That's foolish.

Looks like Paddock could be a pink pussy hat wearing anti Trump asshole

Nahh, Pink hat-wearer's nose is too wide. Facial structure is same, nose is too wide.

Ol' Flash is full of shit today. Never did give me a link on his claim that ANTIFA was taking responsibility.

You are confused Moon Bat.

I posted the message from the Melbourne ANTIFA. You didn't pay attention. We know the asshole lived in Florida so that establishes some degree of credibility. I don't know if it is true or the reports from ISIS are true. We will find out soon. If he is a Left Wing asshole like that hateful Negro that shot up the church last week or the anti Trump piece of shit that shot up the Congressmen then expect it to be covered up by the Liberal media.


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I'm guessing that guy was as ANTIFA as I am the Queen of Sheba. Isn't Melbourne in Australia? What in hell has Florida got to do with anything?

Dear OldLady

Melbourne is a city in FL. A very nice one. Awesome beaches, woods, clean town, not too big. They have it all.

You can even drive down onto the nice beach and park.

It's in Brevard county.

We used to go over there and stay with my friend's cousin frequently.

Fun times.

Nope....no driving on the beach in Melbourne. That's Daytona.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

It's Muslims. Just like France and San Bernadino.

It was a country music show so there's a good chance it was a BLM sympathizer

I see you can't make up your mind. Maybe you should wait for some facts to come in before you make yourself look like an ass.

Police Identify Lone Las Vegas Shooter As Stephen Paddock | HuffPost

The slain gunman police described as the “sole aggressor” in the mass shooting at a Las Vegas concert has been identified as Stephen Paddock, 64, of nearby Mesquite.

Speculation based on inductive reasoning is very logical.

 

[koshergrl]

so you can't answer the question then.

The only way to target gun crime is to target the actual pieces of shit committing the crimes and put them the fuck away for an extremely long time.

The only way to target those pieces of shit is to register every weapon so their movements can be tracked. The registered owner is responsible for that gun. It can't change hands without transferring ownership.

As it is now. There is nothing to stop the free and undocumented movement of guns.

I disagree. There is no need for anyone to know if or what guns I own. if I sell any gun (which I never plan on and have never done btw) I will follow all laws and only sell to a person who is legally eligible to buy a gun because that's what law abiding people do.

I am not and will never be responsible for what criminals do.

You get those pieces of shit off the streets with long mandatory sentences with no parole for any crime committed while in possession of a firearm to be served consecutively along with sentences for additional crimes

I applaud your ethical ownership but certainly you can see how that is a huge problem when guns are able to be moved so freely.

The problem as I see it is we do not enforce the gun laws we already have with the necessary severity.

Guns are not the problem PEOPLE are the problem. Keep the violent people off the streets with mandatory long sentences with no parole and watch both the crime and murder rates plummet

We have the fullest jails in the world. We just have criminals who are armed because we have so many guns.

Criminals are always armed, you moron.

Our jails are full because lefties won't let us keep criminals in jail or secure our borders.

 

[LoneLaugher]

What's worse than an idiot posting false info on a message board?

When that idiot has done it many times and the info in question was debunked HOURS ago.

You are not only an idiot...you are a late idiot.