Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[Brain357]

Try killing almost 60 people and injuring over 400 from a 32 floor window using your fists and feet. Or a knife. No American civilian needs automatic or semiautomatic rifles. They couldn't effectively wage a war on our government with them, and they do nothing but allow killing machines to float through our society, to be grabbed up any time someone gets murder in his heart.

Not your call on what I need or want

-Geaux

Well, it should be my call. Your stance like so many millions of others is entirely selfish.

Not selfish at all since my guns pose absolutely no threat to the public Because I pose absolutely no threat to the public.

There is no reason for my ownership of firearms to be restricted because some piece of shit uses a gun to kill someone.

I'm sure you're not a threat to the public. However, in order to restrict firearms from being in the hands of someone who is a threat (and I'm not just talking mass murder, but DV killings, gang killings, etc.) the rights of all need reasonable restriction.

We already have reasonable restriction.

Convicted felons can't buy guns, the adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns.

People with no criminal record need not be restricted.

So people like the shooter?

 

[Moonglow]

There are no laws that will stop the madness..At all....The dangers of a free(?) society...Or at least a country which has a violent history that lives on today...Just no whey....

 

[MindWars]

Las Vegas police are investigating reports of an active shooter at the Mandalay Bay Casino on the city's famous strip.

Las Vegas police are investigating reports of a shooting at Mandalay Bay Casino. Photo: Twitter: ABC7 Eyewitness News
Several artists performing at the Route 91 Harvest music festival have reported hearing gunshots.
Police are heading to the scene last on Sunday night local time near Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino.

There are reports of a country music festival, Route 90 Harvest, on Las Vegas Boulevard.

Mandalay Bay is located on the south end of the Vegas strip and across from McCarran International Airport.

Las Vegas shooting: Reports of active shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

The Las Vegas shooter didn’t commit suicide as the mainstream media is reporting, but was killed by a FBI hostage rescue team who also found Antifa literature in his hotel room, according to a source linked to the team.

The FBI team took the suspect out after he opened fired on them, according to the source, and afterwards the team found photos taken in the Middle East of a woman linked to the suspect, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock.

ISIS recently took responsibility for the mass shooting, and the AP even admitted ISIS doesn’t take responsibility unless it’s at least loosely associated with the attack:............................

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FBI Source: Vegas Shooter Found with Antifa Literature, Photos Taken in Middle East


And yes many things are speculation at the moment.

Ha! . You're going to need a less laughable source than Alex Jones.

From the mouth of another dumbass typical.

He's not the one pushing a.h.

Not indefinite yet but it is believed the man seen in this video is the las vegas shooter, Stephen Paddock, attending an anti-trump protest in Reno Nevada in August 2017.

AND THE LOSER WAS WEARING A PINK PUSSY HAT SPECIAL.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

So you're in favor of making that mandatory then? There is no other way for LE to know a transaction even occurred otherwise.

I really don't car as I don't sell my firearms.
IMO anyone who sell a gun to someone they do not know and doesn't broker the deal through an FFL dealer is a fucking idiot.

The thing is private transfers are a minuscule part of the gun trade and most are gifts and inheritances.

The average piece of shit thug on the street doesn't buy his guns from a guy he doesn't know. Usually he gets a family member or friend to make a straw purchase or he gets them from a different piece of shit he already knows

That's the point. Without requiring a check, anyone can buy anything and resell to anyone without any record of a transaction. Even if I sell a gun to a guy and go through a dealer, there's no control over who he could then sell it to. Universal checks should not be a problem for those who are honest. I would bet that quite a few of those opposed make some nice cash buying and selling.

And how is requiring a check going to stop the straw purchases or any purchase by a piece of shit criminal from another piece of shit criminal?

You're right. Loopholes shouldn't be closed in any way.

so you can't answer the question then.

The only way to target gun crime is to target the actual pieces of shit committing the crimes and put them the fuck away for an extremely long time.

The only way to target those pieces of shit is to register every weapon so their movements can be tracked. The registered owner is responsible for that gun. It can't change hands without transferring ownership.

As it is now. There is nothing to stop the free and undocumented movement of guns.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Not your call on what I need or want

-Geaux

Well, it should be my call. Your stance like so many millions of others is entirely selfish.

Not selfish at all since my guns pose absolutely no threat to the public Because I pose absolutely no threat to the public.

There is no reason for my ownership of firearms to be restricted because some piece of shit uses a gun to kill someone.

I'm sure you're not a threat to the public. However, in order to restrict firearms from being in the hands of someone who is a threat (and I'm not just talking mass murder, but DV killings, gang killings, etc.) the rights of all need reasonable restriction.

We already have reasonable restriction.

Convicted felons can't buy guns, the adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns.

People with no criminal record need not be restricted.

So people like the shooter?

You can't restrict a person's right before he has committed a crime.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I really don't car as I don't sell my firearms.
IMO anyone who sell a gun to someone they do not know and doesn't broker the deal through an FFL dealer is a fucking idiot.

The thing is private transfers are a minuscule part of the gun trade and most are gifts and inheritances.

The average piece of shit thug on the street doesn't buy his guns from a guy he doesn't know. Usually he gets a family member or friend to make a straw purchase or he gets them from a different piece of shit he already knows

That's the point. Without requiring a check, anyone can buy anything and resell to anyone without any record of a transaction. Even if I sell a gun to a guy and go through a dealer, there's no control over who he could then sell it to. Universal checks should not be a problem for those who are honest. I would bet that quite a few of those opposed make some nice cash buying and selling.

And how is requiring a check going to stop the straw purchases or any purchase by a piece of shit criminal from another piece of shit criminal?

You're right. Loopholes shouldn't be closed in any way.

so you can't answer the question then.

The only way to target gun crime is to target the actual pieces of shit committing the crimes and put them the fuck away for an extremely long time.

The only way to target those pieces of shit is to register every weapon so their movements can be tracked. The registered owner is responsible for that gun. It can't change hands without transferring ownership.

As it is now. There is nothing to stop the free and undocumented movement of guns.

I disagree. There is no need for anyone to know if or what guns I own. if I sell any gun (which I never plan on and have never done btw) I will follow all laws and only sell to a person who is legally eligible to buy a gun because that's what law abiding people do.

I am not and will never be responsible for what criminals do.

You get those pieces of shit off the streets with long mandatory sentences with no parole for any crime committed while in possession of a firearm to be served consecutively along with sentences for additional crimes

 

[Geaux4it]

Not your call on what I need or want

-Geaux

Well, it should be my call. Your stance like so many millions of others is entirely selfish.

Not selfish at all since my guns pose absolutely no threat to the public Because I pose absolutely no threat to the public.

There is no reason for my ownership of firearms to be restricted because some piece of shit uses a gun to kill someone.

I'm sure you're not a threat to the public. However, in order to restrict firearms from being in the hands of someone who is a threat (and I'm not just talking mass murder, but DV killings, gang killings, etc.) the rights of all need reasonable restriction.

We already have reasonable restriction.

Convicted felons can't buy guns, the adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns.

People with no criminal record need not be restricted.

So people like the shooter?

Well of course

These type of things are Acceptable Risk to live in America

-Geaux

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I bet you don't need a title or registration for that weapon either.

I have to show my CCW permit every time I buy any weapon in my state even when I buy ammo. The Permit is scanned and there is a record of every purchase

That's great. That should be the case for everyone. It's really the only way to trace the movement of guns.

It really is no one's business how many guns or what guns I own. All that needs to be proven is that I am legally eligible to buy a gun at the time of sale.

What's stopping you from selling any or all of them to a guy who then sells them on to criminals? How could LE even know the transaction occurred?
You don't see this as a problem?

It is illegal to sell a gun to anyone not eligible to buy a gun.
That's what stops me but that doesn't stop a piece of shit criminal from doing it does it?

Laws only stop law abiding people from doing something.

What stops piece of shit criminals? LONG HARSH PRISON TIME WITH NO PAROLE.

What stops piece of shit criminals? LONG HARSH PRISON TIME WITH NO PAROLE.

Obviously it doesn't.

 

[Brain357]

Well, it should be my call. Your stance like so many millions of others is entirely selfish.

Not selfish at all since my guns pose absolutely no threat to the public Because I pose absolutely no threat to the public.

There is no reason for my ownership of firearms to be restricted because some piece of shit uses a gun to kill someone.

I'm sure you're not a threat to the public. However, in order to restrict firearms from being in the hands of someone who is a threat (and I'm not just talking mass murder, but DV killings, gang killings, etc.) the rights of all need reasonable restriction.

We already have reasonable restriction.

Convicted felons can't buy guns, the adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns.

People with no criminal record need not be restricted.

So people like the shooter?

You can't restrict a person's right before he has committed a crime.

You can restrict weapons. Is being done now and there is no negative to it. Just less dead.

 

[Brain357]

Well, it should be my call. Your stance like so many millions of others is entirely selfish.

Not selfish at all since my guns pose absolutely no threat to the public Because I pose absolutely no threat to the public.

There is no reason for my ownership of firearms to be restricted because some piece of shit uses a gun to kill someone.

I'm sure you're not a threat to the public. However, in order to restrict firearms from being in the hands of someone who is a threat (and I'm not just talking mass murder, but DV killings, gang killings, etc.) the rights of all need reasonable restriction.

We already have reasonable restriction.

Convicted felons can't buy guns, the adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns.

People with no criminal record need not be restricted.

So people like the shooter?

Well of course

These type of things are Acceptable Risk to live in America

-Geaux

I don't find mass shooting and cops dying regularly acceptable.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I have to show my CCW permit every time I buy any weapon in my state even when I buy ammo. The Permit is scanned and there is a record of every purchase

That's great. That should be the case for everyone. It's really the only way to trace the movement of guns.

It really is no one's business how many guns or what guns I own. All that needs to be proven is that I am legally eligible to buy a gun at the time of sale.

What's stopping you from selling any or all of them to a guy who then sells them on to criminals? How could LE even know the transaction occurred?
You don't see this as a problem?

It is illegal to sell a gun to anyone not eligible to buy a gun.
That's what stops me but that doesn't stop a piece of shit criminal from doing it does it?

Laws only stop law abiding people from doing something.

What stops piece of shit criminals? LONG HARSH PRISON TIME WITH NO PAROLE.

What stops piece of shit criminals? LONG HARSH PRISON TIME WITH NO PAROLE.

Obviously it doesn't.

We don't sentence violent criminals to long mandatory sentences with no parole do we?

 

[mudwhistle]

Nevada has some of America’s loosest gun control laws

Well, when it comes to gun laws, Nevada has some of the weakest controls in America — and yet none of that mattered when a bad guy with a gun decided to commit mass murder.

Nevada state law does not require residents to obtain a purchasing permit, register or license for either handguns or rifles and shotguns, according to the National Rifle Association's website. The NRA website also says that you don't need a permit in order to carry rifles and shotguns, although one is required in order to carry a handgun. Nevada also does not impose a mandatory waiting period before allowing residents to purchase a firearm, and the BBC reports that there is no magazine capacity limit for assault rifles.

In giving Nevada a "C-" on its gun laws, The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence's scorecard found that in order to make its state safer, Nevada would need to repeal its "stand-your-ground" law, impose a waiting period on gun purchases, enact a gun violence protective order law, allow local governments to pass gun laws and regulate unsafe handguns.

If initial social media reports are correct that the alleged shooter, Steven Paddock, used a high-caliber automatic weapon for the mass shooting, that would draw attention to the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which had made such weapons contraband but was allowed to expire in 2004. Those automatic assault weapons have remained legal ever since, despite efforts to renew the ban against them after the Newtown, Connecticut elementary school shooting in 2012.

Nevada has some of America's loosest gun control laws

The cons blame the gun free concert

Chicago has some of the strongest gun laws.

Other than trying to disarm Americans so they can't defend themselves, what's your point???

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I bet you don't need a title or registration for that weapon either.

Nope, but you don't need to have your fingerprints on file with the authorities either. You do for a CCW.

As it should be. Are you suggesting background checks for car registration?

The thing is you don't have a right to drive a car on public property where you do have the right to own firearms

there is a difference

The point is there is room for more regulation without a loss of the right.

I think we have enough regulation we just have to start enforcing it with a iron fist

How does LE even know the crime has been committed let alone enforce It?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Not selfish at all since my guns pose absolutely no threat to the public Because I pose absolutely no threat to the public.

There is no reason for my ownership of firearms to be restricted because some piece of shit uses a gun to kill someone.

I'm sure you're not a threat to the public. However, in order to restrict firearms from being in the hands of someone who is a threat (and I'm not just talking mass murder, but DV killings, gang killings, etc.) the rights of all need reasonable restriction.

We already have reasonable restriction.

Convicted felons can't buy guns, the adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns.

People with no criminal record need not be restricted.

So people like the shooter?

You can't restrict a person's right before he has committed a crime.

You can restrict weapons. Is being done now and there is no negative to it. Just less dead.

The only real restrictions are on automatic weapons and automatic weapons are not common.

 

[Geaux4it]

Not selfish at all since my guns pose absolutely no threat to the public Because I pose absolutely no threat to the public.

There is no reason for my ownership of firearms to be restricted because some piece of shit uses a gun to kill someone.

I'm sure you're not a threat to the public. However, in order to restrict firearms from being in the hands of someone who is a threat (and I'm not just talking mass murder, but DV killings, gang killings, etc.) the rights of all need reasonable restriction.

We already have reasonable restriction.

Convicted felons can't buy guns, the adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns.

People with no criminal record need not be restricted.

So people like the shooter?

Well of course

These type of things are Acceptable Risk to live in America

-Geaux

I don't find mass shooting and cops dying regularly acceptable.

Regular? They are in now way 'regular' which is why its Acceptable Risk

-Geaux

 

[boedicca]

Because guns don't kill people - Bad People kill other people.

Bad people with guns kill a lot of people. Very efficiently.

So do terrorists with trucks and so do drunks with automobiles.

Which of course has nothing at all to do with what happened last night.

Still guns are just the tool of the terrorist at the time, so what will you propose to do when another McVeigh blows something up with a truck bomb?

Let me guess wish it had been a gun instead...

I'd shoot him.

Defeat The Left on Twitter

This explains the LW news outlets reluctance to report on this story. This am, mr. boe noted that Fox News was covering the story non-stop, but our local Oakland based station barely mentioned it and then moved on to football and Trump.

 

[Brain357]

I'm sure you're not a threat to the public. However, in order to restrict firearms from being in the hands of someone who is a threat (and I'm not just talking mass murder, but DV killings, gang killings, etc.) the rights of all need reasonable restriction.

We already have reasonable restriction.

Convicted felons can't buy guns, the adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns.

People with no criminal record need not be restricted.

So people like the shooter?

You can't restrict a person's right before he has committed a crime.

You can restrict weapons. Is being done now and there is no negative to it. Just less dead.

The only real restrictions are on automatic weapons and automatic weapons are not common.

Yes thanks to the restrictions.

 

[boedicca]

Bad people with guns kill a lot of people. Very efficiently.

So do terrorists with trucks and so do drunks with automobiles.

Which of course has nothing at all to do with what happened last night.

Still guns are just the tool of the terrorist at the time, so what will you propose to do when another McVeigh blows something up with a truck bomb?

Let me guess wish it had been a gun instead...

I'd shoot him.

When the shooting was first reported my thoughts were Islamic Terrorist, Antifa, or anti trump. In that order. Turns out he's one of them, and possibly all three.

Agreed, I thought the same thing. It actually looks like ISIS playing puppet master with an Antifa stooge.

 

[Brain357]

I'm sure you're not a threat to the public. However, in order to restrict firearms from being in the hands of someone who is a threat (and I'm not just talking mass murder, but DV killings, gang killings, etc.) the rights of all need reasonable restriction.

We already have reasonable restriction.

Convicted felons can't buy guns, the adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns.

People with no criminal record need not be restricted.

So people like the shooter?

Well of course

These type of things are Acceptable Risk to live in America

-Geaux

I don't find mass shooting and cops dying regularly acceptable.

Regular? They are in now way 'regular' which is why its Acceptable Risk

-Geaux

Which isn't regular? Last week it was a mass shooting at church. Before that an NFL party shot up. Never a week goes by without a dead cop.

 

[Skull Pilot]

We already have reasonable restriction.

Convicted felons can't buy guns, the adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns.

People with no criminal record need not be restricted.

So people like the shooter?

You can't restrict a person's right before he has committed a crime.

You can restrict weapons. Is being done now and there is no negative to it. Just less dead.

The only real restrictions are on automatic weapons and automatic weapons are not common.

Yes thanks to the restrictions.

No one really cares about automatic weapons.