Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[MarkDuffy]

NRA goes dark after Vegas massacre
The gun rights group follows its familiar public relations playbook, staying quiet as Democrats blame it for another horrific mass shooting.

NRA goes dark after Vegas massacre

NRA always lays low and keeps quiet for a few days and then comes out with some condescending statement about the victims and how only people kill people

After a month all of Congress will forget about it...they have a recess coming up

My fav is their it is time for mourning, we can talk about gun control later that never happens.

that never happens.

because both sides want what's best for the country, but neither side will put it in a bill

The republican side shirley won't

Neither will the Dimocrats.

They want to ban 'assault' rifles again, like Clinton did, based on the actions of a dozen or so people that misused them, and ignore the millions of other owners that havent' .

(not to mention, they look scary)

That was the best bill that could pass at the time and it did help. It tried to address fire rate. The NRA used loopholes to continue the ever increasing fire rate.

 

[Auld Phart]

NRA goes dark after Vegas massacre
The gun rights group follows its familiar public relations playbook, staying quiet as Democrats blame it for another horrific mass shooting.

NRA goes dark after Vegas massacre

NRA always lays low and keeps quiet for a few days and then comes out with some condescending statement about the victims and how only people kill people

After a month all of Congress will forget about it...they have a recess coming up

and how only people kill people

arent' facts a bitch?

So citizens should be allowed to have ANY firepower they want, right?

We have plenty of laws on the books to prevent a nuclear-armed civilian from using it badly, right?

So citizens should be allowed to have ANY firepower they want, right?

Where have I ever said that?

feel free to provide a link.

SOME citizens should NEVER be allowed to have a firearm, others have shown the responsibility to own tanks, bazookas, etc.

It doesn't depend on the weapon, it depends on the person

You said it here

arent' facts a bitch?

and why I responded to it. You claimed the problem is the people not the gun. I agree!

We need to limit the fire rate and magazine size. I would also like to see a limit on the arsenal size. You can only own so many guns at one time and you can never sell them to anyone but the Police department.

We need to limit the fire rate and magazine size.

why?

I would also like to see a limit on the arsenal size

Why?

You can only own so many guns at one time and you can never sell them to anyone but the Police department.

Why?

 

[MarkDuffy]

NRA always lays low and keeps quiet for a few days and then comes out with some condescending statement about the victims and how only people kill people

After a month all of Congress will forget about it...they have a recess coming up

My fav is their it is time for mourning, we can talk about gun control later that never happens.

that never happens.

because both sides want what's best for the country, but neither side will put it in a bill

The republican side shirley won't

Neither will the Dimocrats.

They want to ban 'assault' rifles again, like Clinton did, based on the actions of a dozen or so people that misused them, and ignore the millions of other owners that havent' .

(not to mention, they look scary)

If you misuse your toys....the whole class will suffer

Zing!

The US Military even uses this!

 

[Auld Phart]

no

the 'gun nuts' want to take away the rights of others, some who only shoot at paper targets, to prevent this from happening again.

Paper targets and bump stocks?

yes

you find that....odd?

After all of the talk of reduced accuracy, yes. You don't?

nope

For some. possibly many, it fulfills a dream of handling a fully automatic weapon they would normally never have a chance of handling.

Somewhat like people going to a racetrack, and driving a car that would never be allowed on the street.

I have no problem with people going to licensed ranges and firing as many full auto rounds as they wish. That already exists.
The don't need that capacity got themselves.

The don't need that capacity got themselves.

huh?

 

[Auld Phart]

NRA always lays low and keeps quiet for a few days and then comes out with some condescending statement about the victims and how only people kill people

After a month all of Congress will forget about it...they have a recess coming up

My fav is their it is time for mourning, we can talk about gun control later that never happens.

that never happens.

because both sides want what's best for the country, but neither side will put it in a bill

The republican side shirley won't

Neither will the Dimocrats.

They want to ban 'assault' rifles again, like Clinton did, based on the actions of a dozen or so people that misused them, and ignore the millions of other owners that havent' .

(not to mention, they look scary)

That was the best bill that could pass at the time and it did help. It tried to address fire rate. The NRA used loopholes to continue the ever increasing fire rate.

That was the best bill that could pass at the time and it did help.

how did it help?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Couldn't tell you. I can tell you they're available online at Cabelas for under $300.

I can also tell you that they are very effective for mass murder.

So is a big truck with a snow plow.

Derp!

Which of course has not a fucking thing to do with Paddock.

Thinking only guns are good weapons for mass murder is a bit shallow no?

In this case they are, dope.

And you can't see why using the argument that a particular thing is good for mass murder to support regulation is simplistic?

It's not simplistic. Your argument is. These are guns. Guns designed to kill.
Measures have been taken to mitigate the possibility of attacks in every other way. Cockpit doors are fortified and TSA screens passengers. Cities around the world are working to better protect large gatherings of pedestrians from vehicles. The glaring difference is of course that America has done nothing to address these attacks. Not one thing. In fact, people like you actively fight against it. So when you use arguments like, " ya but...trucks", it is not only simplistic but dumb.

European Cities Add Barriers to Thwart Vehicle Attacks

 

[MarkDuffy]

My fav is their it is time for mourning, we can talk about gun control later that never happens.

that never happens.

because both sides want what's best for the country, but neither side will put it in a bill

The republican side shirley won't

Neither will the Dimocrats.

They want to ban 'assault' rifles again, like Clinton did, based on the actions of a dozen or so people that misused them, and ignore the millions of other owners that havent' .

(not to mention, they look scary)

That was the best bill that could pass at the time and it did help. It tried to address fire rate. The NRA used loopholes to continue the ever increasing fire rate.

That was the best bill that could pass at the time and it did help.

how did it help?

Koper concluded by saying that “a new ban on large capacity magazines and assault weapons would certainly not be a panacea for gun crime, but it may help to prevent further spread of particularly dangerous weaponry and eventually bring small reductions in some of the most serious and costly gun crimes.”

That kind of guarded language may not make for great sound bites for either side in the gun debate, but it more accurately reflects Koper’s findings and conclusion.

— Robert Farley

Did the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban Work? - FactCheck.org

 

[Circe]

After a month all of Congress will forget about it...they have a recess coming up

People will forget it by Thursday, never mind a month.

Mass murder is normal life now.

 

[Coyote]

I think it is time to discuss reasonable gun control measures...

 

[MarkDuffy]

After a month all of Congress will forget about it...they have a recess coming up

People will forget it by Thursday, never mind a month.

Mass murder is normal life now.

Worse, the increase in mass murder makes the gunnuts want even bigger & faster arsenals.

Gun stocks up after Las Vegas shooting

Guns are good for business

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Paper targets and bump stocks?

yes

you find that....odd?

After all of the talk of reduced accuracy, yes. You don't?

nope

For some. possibly many, it fulfills a dream of handling a fully automatic weapon they would normally never have a chance of handling.

Somewhat like people going to a racetrack, and driving a car that would never be allowed on the street.

I have no problem with people going to licensed ranges and firing as many full auto rounds as they wish. That already exists.
The don't need that capacity got themselves.

The don't need that capacity got themselves.

huh?

Yeah, right. What other three letter word with o in the middle could that possibly be?

 

[Circe]

And i wonder if any has considered that maybe there is no left/right to it at all?

Sure there's a left/right to it. The right wants to fight back against the criminals, and for that we need guns.

The left wants only criminals to have guns, like in Britain. So they can take anything they want whenever they want it.

 

[Circe]

Most of the gunnut posters even here talk about their huge arsenals.

Hey, ya gotta be able to arm the neighborhood when the riots start moving this way.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

there are more 'regulations' on firearms than any other piece of merchandise.

What is needed, is for those regulations to be enforced

Yes and has anyone mentioned that those shots were from a fully automatic weapon? I thought there were regulations prohibiting those except for law enforcement and the military.

There are actually kits available (difficult) to convert semi to full automatic.

And doing that is ILLEGAL. No amount of legislation will stop CRIMINALS from owning guns and fully auto guns. The ONLY people prohibited from having machine guns are law abiding citizens. It's ILLEGAL and what he did was obviously ILLEGAL. What do we do now? Make ILLEGAL ILLEGAL? Fuck gun grabbers.

Bump stock.
Slide Fire SSAR-15® MOD Stock : Cabela's

A very effective mod.

Good value.......
and for only $279.99 you can kill a lot more people in one burst

Don't forget your high capacity magazine!

I'm sure there's a bundle price.

 

[Auld Phart]

because both sides want what's best for the country, but neither side will put it in a bill

The republican side shirley won't

Neither will the Dimocrats.

They want to ban 'assault' rifles again, like Clinton did, based on the actions of a dozen or so people that misused them, and ignore the millions of other owners that havent' .

(not to mention, they look scary)

That was the best bill that could pass at the time and it did help. It tried to address fire rate. The NRA used loopholes to continue the ever increasing fire rate.

That was the best bill that could pass at the time and it did help.

how did it help?

Koper concluded by saying that “a new ban on large capacity magazines and assault weapons would certainly not be a panacea for gun crime, but it may help to prevent further spread of particularly dangerous weaponry and eventually bring small reductions in some of the most serious and costly gun crimes.”

That kind of guarded language may not make for great sound bites for either side in the gun debate, but it more accurately reflects Koper’s findings and conclusion.

— Robert Farley

Did the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban Work? - FactCheck.org

the effect of the 'assault weapon ban' was minimal, because 'assault weapons' were rarely used in crimes, even murders.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

NRA goes dark after Vegas massacre
The gun rights group follows its familiar public relations playbook, staying quiet as Democrats blame it for another horrific mass shooting.

NRA goes dark after Vegas massacre

NRA always lays low and keeps quiet for a few days and then comes out with some condescending statement about the victims and how only people kill people

After a month all of Congress will forget about it...they have a recess coming up

and how only people kill people

arent' facts a bitch?

So citizens should be allowed to have ANY firepower they want, right?

We have plenty of laws on the books to prevent a nuclear-armed civilian from using it badly, right?

So citizens should be allowed to have ANY firepower they want, right?

Where have I ever said that?

feel free to provide a link.

SOME citizens should NEVER be allowed to have a firearm, others have shown the responsibility to own tanks, bazookas, etc.

It doesn't depend on the weapon, it depends on the person

How about those who aqquire a bunch of weapons in their twenties, then go crazy in their 60s? I never heard of that fact mentioned. What did they do with all those guns When they reach 70 80 90 and start to order the casket?

They sell them privately to sketchy buyers of course.

 

[Auld Phart]

yes

you find that....odd?

After all of the talk of reduced accuracy, yes. You don't?

nope

For some. possibly many, it fulfills a dream of handling a fully automatic weapon they would normally never have a chance of handling.

Somewhat like people going to a racetrack, and driving a car that would never be allowed on the street.

I have no problem with people going to licensed ranges and firing as many full auto rounds as they wish. That already exists.
The don't need that capacity got themselves.

The don't need that capacity got themselves.

huh?

Yeah, right. What other three letter word with o in the middle could that possibly be?

thousands

which is why I said 'huh'

 

[MarkDuffy]

Vegas shooter wired $100,000 to girlfriend's home country last week

 

[Hutch Starskey]

After all of the talk of reduced accuracy, yes. You don't?

nope

For some. possibly many, it fulfills a dream of handling a fully automatic weapon they would normally never have a chance of handling.

Somewhat like people going to a racetrack, and driving a car that would never be allowed on the street.

I have no problem with people going to licensed ranges and firing as many full auto rounds as they wish. That already exists.
The don't need that capacity got themselves.

The don't need that capacity got themselves.

huh?

Yeah, right. What other three letter word with o in the middle could that possibly be?

thousands

which is why I said 'huh'

Functionally illiterate?

Three letter word. For, maybe?

 

[MarkDuffy]

The republican side shirley won't

Neither will the Dimocrats.

They want to ban 'assault' rifles again, like Clinton did, based on the actions of a dozen or so people that misused them, and ignore the millions of other owners that havent' .

(not to mention, they look scary)

That was the best bill that could pass at the time and it did help. It tried to address fire rate. The NRA used loopholes to continue the ever increasing fire rate.

That was the best bill that could pass at the time and it did help.

how did it help?

Koper concluded by saying that “a new ban on large capacity magazines and assault weapons would certainly not be a panacea for gun crime, but it may help to prevent further spread of particularly dangerous weaponry and eventually bring small reductions in some of the most serious and costly gun crimes.”

That kind of guarded language may not make for great sound bites for either side in the gun debate, but it more accurately reflects Koper’s findings and conclusion.

— Robert Farley

Did the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban Work? - FactCheck.org

the effect of the 'assault weapon ban' was minimal, because 'assault weapons' were rarely used in crimes, even murders.

You have offered nothing to the discussion, just poking at our posts.

What is your solution?

_______________ no limit to fire rate?

_______________ no limit to arsenal size?

_______________ no limit to magazine/drum size?

______________ yes machine guns should be legal?

______________ the more guns the better?