Law enforcement and Public Schools

[Book of Jeremiah]

After witnessing the recent video of the law enforcement officer called to assist in removing a student from a classroom it is clear that the teacher could have handled the situation by contacting the principal and asking for the parent to pick up their child. It wasn't necessary for an officer to be brought into the situation. If they had escorted the students to an empty classroom or library and let the student remain in her desk until her parents came to take her home the matter would have been calmly resolved. The officer would still have his job, the school would not be in the news and the student would be suspended or expelled right now.

Using law enforcement to enforce school rules is not a good idea. They are trained to arrest criminals not enforce school rules to students. I believe the law enforcement officer was put in a very difficult situation and the Schools should be taking responsibility for enforcing their own rules.

What are your thoughts about it?

 

[Hossfly]

After witnessing the recent video of the law enforcement officer called to assist in removing a student from a classroom it is clear that the teacher could have handled the situation by contacting the principal and asking for the parent to pick up their child. It wasn't necessary for an officer to be brought into the situation. If they had escorted the students to an empty classroom or library and let the student remain in her desk until her parents came to take her home the matter would have been calmly resolved. The officer would still have his job, the school would not be in the news and the student would be suspended or expelled right now.

Using law enforcement to enforce school rules is not a good idea. They are trained to arrest criminals not enforce school rules to students. I believe the law enforcement officer was put in a very difficult situation and the Schools should be taking responsibility for enforcing their own rules.

What are your thoughts about it?

Liberal educators would be scared shitless if they had to remove an unruly student.

 

[pillars]

It doesn't have anything to do with liberal educators, following columbine and a host of other school shootings, many more school districts sought out partnerships with law enforcement agencies to have officers in the schools full-time. With police in the schools, they wind up doing a lot of things that would previously have been handled by administrators.

 

[Hossfly]

It doesn't have anything to do with liberal educators, following columbine and a host of other school shootings, many more school districts sought out partnerships with law enforcement agencies to have officers in the schools full-time. With police in the schools, they wind up doing a lot of things that would previously have been handled by administrators.

Schools should hire security guards like everyone else.

 

[shadow355]

After witnessing the recent video of the law enforcement officer called to assist in removing a student from a classroom it is clear that the teacher could have handled the situation by contacting the principal and asking for the parent to pick up their child. It wasn't necessary for an officer to be brought into the situation. If they had escorted the students to an empty classroom or library and let the student remain in her desk until her parents came to take her home the matter would have been calmly resolved. The officer would still have his job, the school would not be in the news and the student would be suspended or expelled right now.

Using law enforcement to enforce school rules is not a good idea. They are trained to arrest criminals not enforce school rules to students. I believe the law enforcement officer was put in a very difficult situation and the Schools should be taking responsibility for enforcing their own rules.

What are your thoughts about it?

School Resource Officers ( a Prevention Resource Officers - " PRO Officers " ) is a good deal. They protect the students , do education classes such as "DARE " and how to protect yourself. The interact with School personnel ; and respond to tips on Drugs and other illegal items in the school.

" PRO Officers" also deter crime and assaults. If it is a good PRO Officer , the Officer can be a role model for the students. Being humble, having a good personality and good communication skills is key. They have to have to have a good personality.

Where I am from PRO Officers get a good deal. They work Monday thru Friday - day shift .......with weekends and holidays off and are mostly off in the summer. They get a department issued Cruiser to drive. If I am correct, the school board where I live picks up their salary and expenses.

Shadow 355

 

[shadow355]

After witnessing the recent video of the law enforcement officer called to assist in removing a student from a classroom it is clear that the teacher could have handled the situation by contacting the principal and asking for the parent to pick up their child. It wasn't necessary for an officer to be brought into the situation. If they had escorted the students to an empty classroom or library and let the student remain in her desk until her parents came to take her home the matter would have been calmly resolved. The officer would still have his job, the school would not be in the news and the student would be suspended or expelled right now.

Using law enforcement to enforce school rules is not a good idea. They are trained to arrest criminals not enforce school rules to students. I believe the law enforcement officer was put in a very difficult situation and the Schools should be taking responsibility for enforcing their own rules.

What are your thoughts about it?

I did not see where the video told the entire story .

What happened before the student was taken to the floor ?

Did the student make any anti - authoritative comments ?

Did the officer go " hands on " and the student push the officers arm away ?

Seems funny to me ....... And prejudicial - the video only showed the Officer putting the student to the ground .

Keep an open mind and get the entire story and facts before passing judgement.

Shadow 355

 

[Anathema]

As public facilities,which deny citizens their RTKBA, armed security (PD or other) should be provided.

As the normal school staff has no formal training in force escalation or dealing with physical conflict, they should not be expected to deal with physically disruptive students. That shoild be the role of the armed security personnel.

 

[shadow355]

It doesn't have anything to do with liberal educators, following columbine and a host of other school shootings, many more school districts sought out partnerships with law enforcement agencies to have officers in the schools full-time. With police in the schools, they wind up doing a lot of things that would previously have been handled by administrators.

Schools should hire security guards like everyone else.

Hossfly - trained and certified guards.

Shadow 355

 

[shadow355]

It doesn't have anything to do with liberal educators, following columbine and a host of other school shootings, many more school districts sought out partnerships with law enforcement agencies to have officers in the schools full-time. With police in the schools, they wind up doing a lot of things that would previously have been handled by administrators.

They do security and protection . Something school administrators are not trained in.

You have a certified Officer doing security, education classes, responding to school incidents , and deterring crime .

Shadow 355

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

After witnessing the recent video of the law enforcement officer called to assist in removing a student from a classroom it is clear that the teacher could have handled the situation by contacting the principal and asking for the parent to pick up their child. It wasn't necessary for an officer to be brought into the situation. If they had escorted the students to an empty classroom or library and let the student remain in her desk until her parents came to take her home the matter would have been calmly resolved. The officer would still have his job, the school would not be in the news and the student would be suspended or expelled right now.

Using law enforcement to enforce school rules is not a good idea. They are trained to arrest criminals not enforce school rules to students. I believe the law enforcement officer was put in a very difficult situation and the Schools should be taking responsibility for enforcing their own rules.

What are your thoughts about it?

I agree. Get the zookeepers out of the zoo and let the animals have at each other. With all the time and effort it takes to launch a law enforcement career, why should any cop risk all that on some bratty 16 year old thug? The cop is more important to society than that chimp who, for all I care, can fall off the face of the earth.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

After witnessing the recent video of the law enforcement officer called to assist in removing a student from a classroom it is clear that the teacher could have handled the situation by contacting the principal and asking for the parent to pick up their child. It wasn't necessary for an officer to be brought into the situation. If they had escorted the students to an empty classroom or library and let the student remain in her desk until her parents came to take her home the matter would have been calmly resolved. The officer would still have his job, the school would not be in the news and the student would be suspended or expelled right now.

Using law enforcement to enforce school rules is not a good idea. They are trained to arrest criminals not enforce school rules to students. I believe the law enforcement officer was put in a very difficult situation and the Schools should be taking responsibility for enforcing their own rules.

What are your thoughts about it?

School Resource Officers ( a Prevention Resource Officers - " PRO Officers " ) is a good deal. They protect the students , do education classes such as "DARE " and how to protect yourself. The interact with School personnel ; and respond to tips on Drugs and other illegal items in the school.

" PRO Officers" also deter crime and assaults. If it is a good PRO Officer , the Officer can be a role model for the students. Being humble, having a good personality and good communication skills is key. They have to have to have a good personality.

Where I am from PRO Officers get a good deal. They work Monday thru Friday - day shift .......with weekends and holidays off and are mostly off in the summer. They get a department issued Cruiser to drive. If I am correct, the school board where I live picks up their salary and expenses.

Shadow 355

I bet it doesn't seem like such a great deal now, especially in South Carolina.

 

[shadow355]

As public facilities,which deny citizens their RTKBA, armed security (PD or other) should be provided.

As the normal school staff has no formal training in force escalation or dealing with physical conflict, they should not be expected to deal with physically disruptive students. That shoild be the role of the armed security personnel.

Firearms are not allowed in schools as provided by State Law. Not the rules of the education facility .

If you want to carry a gun in school , lobby your Commonwealth or State Legislature and have them change the law.

Shadow 355

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

After witnessing the recent video of the law enforcement officer called to assist in removing a student from a classroom it is clear that the teacher could have handled the situation by contacting the principal and asking for the parent to pick up their child. It wasn't necessary for an officer to be brought into the situation. If they had escorted the students to an empty classroom or library and let the student remain in her desk until her parents came to take her home the matter would have been calmly resolved. The officer would still have his job, the school would not be in the news and the student would be suspended or expelled right now.

Using law enforcement to enforce school rules is not a good idea. They are trained to arrest criminals not enforce school rules to students. I believe the law enforcement officer was put in a very difficult situation and the Schools should be taking responsibility for enforcing their own rules.

What are your thoughts about it?

School Resource Officers ( a Prevention Resource Officers - " PRO Officers " ) is a good deal. They protect the students , do education classes such as "DARE " and how to protect yourself. The interact with School personnel ; and respond to tips on Drugs and other illegal items in the school.

" PRO Officers" also deter crime and assaults. If it is a good PRO Officer , the Officer can be a role model for the students. Being humble, having a good personality and good communication skills is key. They have to have to have a good personality.

Where I am from PRO Officers get a good deal. They work Monday thru Friday - day shift .......with weekends and holidays off and are mostly off in the summer. They get a department issued Cruiser to drive. If I am correct, the school board where I live picks up their salary and expenses.

Shadow 355

While that may be true it isn't working out for our law enforcement because they are being put into a situation they are not trained to do. "Babysit". Again, I do not believe our law enforcement should be forced to become babysitters. I do not believe our soldiers should be forced to become painters, welders, babysitters, "nation building"...... let them do the job they were trained to do.

 

[shadow355]

After witnessing the recent video of the law enforcement officer called to assist in removing a student from a classroom it is clear that the teacher could have handled the situation by contacting the principal and asking for the parent to pick up their child. It wasn't necessary for an officer to be brought into the situation. If they had escorted the students to an empty classroom or library and let the student remain in her desk until her parents came to take her home the matter would have been calmly resolved. The officer would still have his job, the school would not be in the news and the student would be suspended or expelled right now.

Using law enforcement to enforce school rules is not a good idea. They are trained to arrest criminals not enforce school rules to students. I believe the law enforcement officer was put in a very difficult situation and the Schools should be taking responsibility for enforcing their own rules.

What are your thoughts about it?

School Resource Officers ( a Prevention Resource Officers - " PRO Officers " ) is a good deal. They protect the students , do education classes such as "DARE " and how to protect yourself. The interact with School personnel ; and respond to tips on Drugs and other illegal items in the school.

" PRO Officers" also deter crime and assaults. If it is a good PRO Officer , the Officer can be a role model for the students. Being humble, having a good personality and good communication skills is key. They have to have to have a good personality.

Where I am from PRO Officers get a good deal. They work Monday thru Friday - day shift .......with weekends and holidays off and are mostly off in the summer. They get a department issued Cruiser to drive. If I am correct, the school board where I live picks up their salary and expenses.

Shadow 355

I bet it doesn't seem like such a great deal now, especially in South Carolina.

Response time just seconds or a few minutes versus 10 to 15 minutes for a gunman / Active Shooter situation.

Shadow 355

 

[Anathema]

Firearms are not allowed in schools as provided by State Law. Not the rules of the education facility .

If you want to carry a gun in school , lobby your Commonwealth or State Legislature and have them change the law.

I have a better idea.... just ignore the law, as I do now.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

After witnessing the recent video of the law enforcement officer called to assist in removing a student from a classroom it is clear that the teacher could have handled the situation by contacting the principal and asking for the parent to pick up their child. It wasn't necessary for an officer to be brought into the situation. If they had escorted the students to an empty classroom or library and let the student remain in her desk until her parents came to take her home the matter would have been calmly resolved. The officer would still have his job, the school would not be in the news and the student would be suspended or expelled right now.

Using law enforcement to enforce school rules is not a good idea. They are trained to arrest criminals not enforce school rules to students. I believe the law enforcement officer was put in a very difficult situation and the Schools should be taking responsibility for enforcing their own rules.

What are your thoughts about it?

School Resource Officers ( a Prevention Resource Officers - " PRO Officers " ) is a good deal. They protect the students , do education classes such as "DARE " and how to protect yourself. The interact with School personnel ; and respond to tips on Drugs and other illegal items in the school.

" PRO Officers" also deter crime and assaults. If it is a good PRO Officer , the Officer can be a role model for the students. Being humble, having a good personality and good communication skills is key. They have to have to have a good personality.

Where I am from PRO Officers get a good deal. They work Monday thru Friday - day shift .......with weekends and holidays off and are mostly off in the summer. They get a department issued Cruiser to drive. If I am correct, the school board where I live picks up their salary and expenses.

Shadow 355

I bet it doesn't seem like such a great deal now, especially in South Carolina.

Response time just seconds or a few minutes versus 10 to 15 minutes for a gunman / Active Shooter situation.

Shadow 355

And? I'm still more concerned about the careers of law enforcement officers not being jeopardized by stupid punk criminal kids.

My father once told me when I was a boy, "If you act like a man, prepare to be treated like one." It's offensive that kids can be criminals but still get the kid glove treatment and if they resist arrest and assault police officers and get hurt in the process, the officer has to pay the price? Hell, effing no!

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

After witnessing the recent video of the law enforcement officer called to assist in removing a student from a classroom it is clear that the teacher could have handled the situation by contacting the principal and asking for the parent to pick up their child. It wasn't necessary for an officer to be brought into the situation. If they had escorted the students to an empty classroom or library and let the student remain in her desk until her parents came to take her home the matter would have been calmly resolved. The officer would still have his job, the school would not be in the news and the student would be suspended or expelled right now.

Using law enforcement to enforce school rules is not a good idea. They are trained to arrest criminals not enforce school rules to students. I believe the law enforcement officer was put in a very difficult situation and the Schools should be taking responsibility for enforcing their own rules.

What are your thoughts about it?

I agree. Get the zookeepers out of the zoo and let the animals have at each other. With all the time and effort it takes to launch a law enforcement career, why should any cop risk all that on some bratty 16 year old thug? The cop is more important to society than that chimp who, for all I care, can fall off the face of the earth.

After what has happened to this police officer? I doubt any law enforcement officer would want the job. Let the school system figure out their own problems. After all, they created them. Right?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

After witnessing the recent video of the law enforcement officer called to assist in removing a student from a classroom it is clear that the teacher could have handled the situation by contacting the principal and asking for the parent to pick up their child. It wasn't necessary for an officer to be brought into the situation. If they had escorted the students to an empty classroom or library and let the student remain in her desk until her parents came to take her home the matter would have been calmly resolved. The officer would still have his job, the school would not be in the news and the student would be suspended or expelled right now.

Using law enforcement to enforce school rules is not a good idea. They are trained to arrest criminals not enforce school rules to students. I believe the law enforcement officer was put in a very difficult situation and the Schools should be taking responsibility for enforcing their own rules.

What are your thoughts about it?

School Resource Officers ( a Prevention Resource Officers - " PRO Officers " ) is a good deal. They protect the students , do education classes such as "DARE " and how to protect yourself. The interact with School personnel ; and respond to tips on Drugs and other illegal items in the school.

" PRO Officers" also deter crime and assaults. If it is a good PRO Officer , the Officer can be a role model for the students. Being humble, having a good personality and good communication skills is key. They have to have to have a good personality.

Where I am from PRO Officers get a good deal. They work Monday thru Friday - day shift .......with weekends and holidays off and are mostly off in the summer. They get a department issued Cruiser to drive. If I am correct, the school board where I live picks up their salary and expenses.

Shadow 355

I bet it doesn't seem like such a great deal now, especially in South Carolina.

Response time just seconds or a few minutes versus 10 to 15 minutes for a gunman / Active Shooter situation.

Shadow 355

And? I'm still more concerned about the careers of law enforcement officers not being jeopardized by stupid punk criminal kids.

My father once told me when I was a boy, "If you act like a man, prepare to be treated like one." It's offensive that kids can be criminals but still get the kid glove treatment and if they resist arrest and assault police officers and get hurt in the process, the officer has to pay the price? Hell, effing no!

The school system cannot have it both ways. They are tying the hands of teachers, the principal and have just ruined the career of a police officer. All because they refuse to enforce their own rules. It's very simple. Call the parent and tell them to come pick up their daughter. She has just been expelled.

Isolate the student by leaving the student in her desk with the principal supervising her until her parents show up. Teacher can escort class to another room / library to continue teaching until the matter has been resolved. The decision to expel or suspend rests with the teacher / principal. No cell phone videos, no arrests, no national media attention, she goes home and the class picks up where it left off.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I feel angry over what happened to the police officer. He was set up. He was put in a situation he should never have been placed in. The School System bears the responsibility for this mess. Not the police department. They should refuse to permit any more officers to work at that school.

 

[shadow355]

I feel angry over what happened to the police officer. He was set up. He was put in a situation he should never have been placed in. The School System bears the responsibility for this mess. Not the police department. They should refuse to permit any more officers to work at that school.

Sometimes the Officer has to set the example.

When a Law Enforcement Officer tells you to do something you do it .

The decisions I make where I work, including the conversations I get in; at times sets an example for the entire Security Department . One person in my Department can make the entire Department look weak and incapable at Security . I get pushed verbally , and I only let them push me so far - unless it is a asinine person I have dealt with before .

The problem I have is some of the Guards in my Department let the visitors and truck drivers get by with breaking the rules - which makes me doing my job to standard , much - much harder .

Contractors are supposed to use the contractors entrance and not congest Gate one , where I work . Contractors are not supposed to manipulate the Guards time by driving in and out of Gate Two ( contractors entrance - not manned 24 hours just of a morning and afternoon for 1.5 hours at a time ; they call Gate one when they need in and out at other times. ) whenever they want .

Some people like to be complicated, asinine and start trouble . Some employees and contractors like to play extreme mind games . Some people only act troublesome when their friends are present. Some people only start trouble when the Guards supervisor is around - thinking the Guard will be nice.

Not me - I go into "Military Mode " either way .

I have a huge background in Security from the US Military. I give butt chewings as needed ; defend myself in verbal altercations ; and stand up for what is right . I am polite to those whom are polite to me and I give breaks to those whom are deserving .

Shadow 355