Leftist sympathy for the Palestinians

[JoeB131]

With their high average intelligence Jews benefit every country they live in. Nevertheless, they are resented by people like you.

They why has every country they ever been in thrown them the fuck out?

Seems they are masters at wearing out their welcome.

 

[JoeB131]

If the Arabs don't like it when the Jews beat their asses, they should stop starting fights.

Read up on the history of the Crusades. It took them 200 years to send the Crusaders packing... but eventually, they did.

 

[Hector12]

They why has every country they ever been in thrown them the fuck out?

Seems they are masters at wearing out their welcome.

First of all Jews have not been thrown out of every country they have lived in. They have prospered in the United States.

When he established the Holy Roman Empire Charlemagne invited Jews to move to Germany to administrate the Empire. Jews were chosen because they were (and of course still are) intelligent and well educated. That is why Yiddish is a combination of Hebrew and German, rather than a combination of Hebrew and another language.

Jews were always welcome in the Ottoman Empire.

I am surprised to learn that someone who claims to have a history degree does not know that.

 

[JoeB131]

First of all Jews have not been thrown out of every country they have lived in. They have prospered in the United States.

You mean they haven't worn out their welcome yet...except on college campuses, apparently. Whoops.

When he established the Holy Roman Empire Charlemagne invited Jews to move to Germany to administrate the Empire. Jews were chosen because they were (and of course still are) intelligent and well educated. That is why Yiddish is a combination of Hebrew and German, rather than a combination of Hebrew and another language.

And look at what the Germans eventually did... Whoops.

Jews were always welcome in the Ottoman Empire.

And when the rest of the Islamic World threw off the Ottoman yoke. Whoops!

 

[Hector12]

You mean they haven't worn out their welcome yet...except on college campuses, apparently. Whoops.


And look at what the Germans eventually did... Whoops.



And when the rest of the Islamic World threw off the Ottoman yoke. Whoops!

Hostility toward Jews has always been based on religious and ethnic bigotry, and resentment of Jewish intelligence, success, and prosperity.

Jews were never expelled from Canada. I do not believe they were ever expelled from any Latin American country. Jews were not expelled from Russia. They choose to leave. Fortunately, several million of them choose to move to the United States, where they faced, and overcame, the bigotry of people like you.

Jews have always succeeded against the odds and are the most accomplished 0.7% of the world's population.

I am not Jewish, by the way.

 

[JoeB131]

Hostility toward Jews has always been based on religious and ethnic bigotry, and resentment of Jewish intelligence, success, and prosperity.

No, it's been based on their bad behavior.

The Inquisition happened because the Jews of Spain collaborated with the Muslim occupiers.
The Pogroms of Russia happened because they were the Tsar's tax collectors.
The Holocaust happened because Jews helped overthrow the Kaiser (8 of the top Socialists in the 1918 revolution were Jews) and took advantage of Germany's economic distress during the Weimar Era.
And not suprisingly, when they steal Arab land, they wonder why the Arabs want to kill them.

Jews were never expelled from Canada. I do not believe they were ever expelled from any Latin American country.

Very few live there.

Jewish population by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Only 393K Jews in Canada. Even fewer in Latin American Countries.

Jews were not expelled from Russia.

Yes, they were. Where do you think most of the Jews in NYC come from?

 

[Hector12]

No, it's been based on their bad behavior.

The Inquisition happened because the Jews of Spain collaborated with the Muslim occupiers.
The Pogroms of Russia happened because they were the Tsar's tax collectors.
The Holocaust happened because Jews helped overthrow the Kaiser (8 of the top Socialists in the 1918 revolution were Jews) and took advantage of Germany's economic distress during the Weimar Era.
And not suprisingly, when they steal Arab land, they wonder why the Arabs want to kill them.

Historian Bob Weinberg traces the roots of the pogrom to the complex social and political setting of Russia during that period. He contends that part of the explanation for the brutality lies in the realm of identity politics. For some individuals involved, their actions were not just acts of violence but also expressions of their Orthodox Christian beliefs and loyalty to the Russian monarch. The sense of eroding authority and changes in political structures seemed to amplify this sentiment, as exemplified by events like the vandalization of Tsar Nicholas II's portraits, which stirred animosity and rallied those resistant to change.[31]

Weinberg further argues that the pogroms functioned as a safety valve for defusing mounting societal discontent that could have otherwise led to revolutionary uprisings. He posits that the Jewish community was selected as a strategic scapegoat to redirect popular frustrations away from opposing the autocratic regime and focus them on an internal marginalized group instead. This tactic was not an innovation of the 1905 Odessa pogroms but had historical precedents, such as the pogrom wave of 1881 that similarly victimized Jewish communities...

The pogroms are generally thought to have been organized or at least condoned by the authorities.[38][39][40][41] However, that view was challenged by Hans Rogger, I. Michael Aronson and John Klier, who were unable to find such sanction to be documented in the state archives.[42][43]

However, the antisemitic policy that was carried out from 1881 to 1917 made them possible. Official persecution and harassment of Jews influenced numerous antisemites to presume that their violence was legitimate. That sentiment was reinforced by the active participation of a few major and many minor officials in fomenting attacks and by the reluctance of the government to stop the pogroms and to punish those responsible for them.

Pogroms in the Russian Empire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Meanwhile, there was also significant unrest at home. It had become clear to the German people that losing was inevitable. They were disillusioned with the politics and harsh conditions of war, and many lent their support to the extremist parties which had emerged all over Germany.

On 9 November 1918, having lost the support of the military, and with a revolution underway at home, Kaiser Wilhelm II was forced to abdicate his throne and flee Germany for Holland.

The Kaiser abdicates – The Holocaust Explained: Designed for schools

www.theholocaustexplained.org

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After starting and losing World War I, the unpopularity of Kaiser Wilhelm II extended far beyond German Jews.

As far as the Arabs are concerned, all of Israel is less than one percent of all Arab land. If the Arabs do not like the state of Israel that is just too bad.

 

[M14 Shooter]

What country are "Palestinians" from?

Jordan
Egypt

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Many Europeans and Americans on the Left side with the Palestinians against Israel. Nevertheless, I am confident that they would rather live in Israel than in any Muslim country in the world.

In Muslim countries rape victims are often punished.

A gay rights demonstration in a Muslim country is unthinkable. By the time the police arrived to arrest the demonstrators they would have been beaten to death by a raving mob of Muslims.

Wrong – this is a lie.

One can support Israel while also supporting innocent Palestinian civilians who have nothing to do with Hamas or any other terrorist organization.

One can support Israel while admonishing Israel to not bomb civilian population centers.

The OP is an example of the disinformation and lies propagated by the right; the OP is typical of the bigotry and hate common to most on the right.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Wrong – this is a lie.
One can support Israel while also supporting innocent Palestinian civilians who have nothing to do with Hamas or any other terrorist organization.

Who -doesn't- 'support" the innocent Palestinian civilians?

One can support Israel while admonishing Israel to not bomb civilian population centers.

Why would Israel not bomb legitimate military targets in a "population center"?

 

[Zincwarrior]

There is a definite generational shift. Even in my generation there is a lot of support for Israel, with memories of their early struggles against multiple opponents, in a bad neighborhood. But the younger generations weren't around when Egypt was still an enemy, and peace was made from them, and of course the fall of Iran.

The younger generations only see the occupations. They have grown up, not with Israel being the scrapper, but being the powerhouse in the region, and just continuing death.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The younger generations only see the occupations. They have grown up, not with Israel being the scrapper, but being the powerhouse in the region, and just continuing death.

And -this- is a function of ignorance.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Read up on the history of the Crusades. It took them 200 years to send the Crusaders packing... but eventually, they did.

INteresting note. While we think of "the crusades" as being the ones aimed at the Holy Land, those were just some of them. Most of what we think of as Central and Eastern Europe were conquered or heavily influenced by Crusades. Indeed the state of Prussia was started by crusaders.

Also a note, Jews were just one group of several that have been bounced around. Multiple small religious groups were the founders of states in the US for just that reason.

 

[Zincwarrior]

And -this- is a function of ignorance.

It is a function of reality. Israel is now a major power and there's lot of media there. No one gives a rip about Sudan, central African states, Indian groups in the Andes, don't really care about the 1mm still in Chinese concentration camps, evil cat people, etc.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It is a function of reality.

Its not.
"Occupation" occurs when a state takes the territory of another state and holds it.
Israel "occupied" the West Bank in 1967 and held it until Jordan ceded it to the Israel in 1996.
At that point, the occupation ceased, and the controversy under international law, resolved.
Virtually no one knows, much less understands, this.
Thus: a function of ignorance.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Its not.
"Occupation" occurs when a state takes the territory of another state and holds it.
Israel "occupied" the West Bank in 1967 and held it until Jordan ceded it to the Israel in 1996.
At that point, the occupation ceased, and the controversy under international law, resolved.
Virtually no one knows, much less understands, this.
Thus: a function of ignorance.

They see attacks and counter attacks.

I would proffer Israel has about one more generation of support left, then they will be considered like any other country that doesn't have oil or TexMex.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They see attacks and counter attacks.

Thus: A function of ignorance.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Thus: A function of ignorance.

Hezzbullah attacks, Israel retaliates. Israeli settlers attack, Palestinians retaliate. Its the Hatfield's and McCoys but with tanks and bombs.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Hezzbullah attacks, Israel retaliates. Israeli settlers attack, Palestinians retaliate. Its the Hatfield's and McCoys but with tanks and bombs.

Not sure how this negates what I said.