Lets remember WHY Charlottesville rally happened to begin with

[Correll]

Now, let’s look at when the monuments were erected
Not post cIvil war when soldiers and families honored the dead but early 1900s during the resurgence of the KKK and during the civil rights era

About the time that those who were children during the war, and lost fathers, would have become the elders and leaders of the community.

About the time those children rebuilt the klan

Your assumption of a connection, or even overlap, is unsupported.


The normal reasons for a monument, ie to celebrate heritage, to remember historical and/or respected figures,

seems far more likely and reasonable.



If Trump said he wanted to build a statue of, say, some famous US/Mexican war General, and place it on the border to "remind" Mexicans they were not welcome,

under the belief that a statue would "remind them of their place" or some such shit,


you would be laughing your ass off and rightfully so.


Yet you are claiming that is what the statues in question are about.



YOur case is weak as shit.

 

[bodecea]

People can always create more monuments that are more pc to add to the other monuments. Maybe we need some new monuments.

Robert E. Lee was a great man and should be honored. After the war was over, he worked to quickly mend the differences between North and South.

Aside from that, he was a brilliant tactician. History says so.

Only Modern leftist faggots do not.

The single greatest product of West Point.

So...Eisenhower wasn't?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

In 1916, the war was long over, the issue of slavery was settled.....yet still they saw a need to ressurect the issue throughout the south


Though slavery was gone, Jim Crow was in its place. Statues were erected to remind blacks of their continued status

I've never read anything in any history book that supports your claim that the Jim Crow south of the early 20th century needed statues to keep the blacks down.


Can you support that very odd claim, or is this one of those, "throw shit against the wall, and hope no one calls on it moments" and you will just deflect, dodge and distract?

Answer this question then:

Why would you put up a statue of Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson in 1948 in Baltimore?

Yes. Very much so. It would be a great way to showcase the unity of the nation.


Hey, you ever see this picture from the 1913 joint civil war reunion?

The lack of requiring the South to grovel in shame and humiliation was a big part of how and why the US was not permanently split and weakened by the Civil War.

Funny how you still have not answered the question...so I will try again...

Why would you put up a monument of Stonewall Jackson in 1948 Baltimore?

Why are you racists not demanding for the US to erect statues of british generals? After all, there are many descendants of those Brits who still live in this country --- why is it the country that wanted to maintain slavery the only traitors you identify with? I know already, i just like seeing racists tap dance

What part of "very much so" do you not understand?


YOu can shove your race baiting up your ass, asshole.


I would be happy to see a statue celebrating our shared heritage and culture with the UK, and/or colonial times.


I recently swung by and visited Fort Necessity, a colonial era military monument.


What? I should hate it? Tear it down? WTF?

I see how you are trying to dodge by claiming this is about "shared culture" --- that is not what I asked...I asked you would support statues honoring the generals who were fighting against our country??

We also have shared culture with Germans -- so do you support a statue honoring German generals we fought against in WW2 -- the same generals that were fighting to maintain racial genocide?

We also have shared culture with Italy --- so do you support a statue honoring Italian generals we fought against in WW2??

also, why do you ignore what Robert E Lee himself said about his opposition to erecting confederate monuments?

Is your racism that strong that you would ignore the sentiments of the person you claim you are honoring?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

It was because leftist Anti Americans wanted to destroy and forget history they disagreed with and wanted done away with,much like Al Qaeda and ISIS did in areas they controlled...destroy monuments and historical documents etc. The leftists wanted to remove and destroy a statue of General Lee..the riots,deaths,violence ALL fall on their heads. They started the war and WE will finish it. This is a war have no doubt about that and we will win this war or we will die trying.

Lee was a traitor. He chose the wrong way. Why honor him? We Americans go on. The traitors started this war so many years ago. Why do do you worship these traitors to the United States of America? You want to be a little bitch who left your country?

Lee was not a traitor, and it's you who are a little bitch and will want to leave the country post-November.

That's when you're going to realize you had it all wrong. Maybe you will want to start a Civil War..with..fingernails or something.

Me? I got a jar full of Lime-encrusted .50 cal real Civil War bullets from back in the day. They have a triple-skirt on them.

Lee was a traitor to the United States of America. There is not need to start a civil war. Why do you want to destroy your country? I don't give a shit as to what you have a jar of. Why do you think that you are entitled to more than any other American? Why do you think that you are entitled to any more than your follow Americans? Stop acting like a pig. You think that you are some big fat White Man and the rest of us Americans are supposed to kneel to you? You comment as if you are American garbarge. No pride in your nation.

Fuck your revisionist bullshit leftist history. You're the fucking unAmericans here, and the left will get their asses handed to them come November. You see, real Americans still know what's what.

I am some "big fat white man"? No bitch, I am some in shape ready-to-fight-for-America cracker, bitch. One that's been shooting since he was eight. I am not the one to fuck with.

I believe in America, but not a leftist America.

. i don't give a flying what your penis size is (probably small).

What is the reason for mentioning this?

 

[bodecea]

If in 1916, black citizens of Charlottesville collected funds to erect a statue honoring those citizens who were enslaved, they would have been met by the KKK and had their homes burned

Instead in 1916, Daughters if the Confederacy erected countless statues honoring those who fought to ensure slavery .......black citizens had no say

Today, blacks are politically empowered and have different views of how honorable the confederacy was

By 1916, the issue of slavery was long settled. The statues were not pro-slavery statues, but simply monuments to the sacrifices and bravery of their ancestors.


And now you fuckers want to take them down?


YOu just admitted that multiculturalism was a lie from the very beginning.

In 1916, the war was long over, the issue of slavery was settled.....yet still they saw a need to ressurect the issue throughout the south


Though slavery was gone, Jim Crow was in its place. Statues were erected to remind blacks of their continued status

"Birth of a Nation" set off the revival of the KKK and hatred towards blacks.

 

[Correll]

I've never read anything in any history book that supports your claim that the Jim Crow south of the early 20th century needed statues to keep the blacks down.


Can you support that very odd claim, or is this one of those, "throw shit against the wall, and hope no one calls on it moments" and you will just deflect, dodge and distract?

"I've studied the history of Confederate memorials. Here's what to do about them."

The Confederate monuments in New Orleans; Charlottesville, Virginia; Durham, North Carolina, and elsewhere did not organically pop up like mushrooms. The installation of the 1,000-plus memorials across the US was the result of the orchestrated efforts of white Southerners and a few Northerners with clear political objectives: They tended to be erected at times when the South was fighting to resist political rights for black citizens. The preservation of these monuments has likewise reflected a clear political agenda.


But the story of the monuments is even stranger than many people realize. Few if any of the monuments went through any of the approval procedures that we now commonly apply to public art. Typically, groups like the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC), which claimed to represent local community sentiment (whether they did or did not), funded, erected, and dedicated the monuments. As a consequence, contemporaries, especially African Americans, who objected to the erection of monuments had no realistic opportunity to voice their opposition.

Wow. That is some weak ass shit.


Where was the political battle for/against Jim Crow, that you implied the statues were a weapon in?

There was no need for a political battle
The racists ruled the south. They decided how public spaces would be used

Now, those of a different view are running the cities. They want the monuments gone

Thanks for admitting that your claim that they were used to "remind blacks of their place" was false.


In Democrat run Jim Crow South, the blacks did not need a statue or two to let them know "their place".



BUT, thank you for admitting that multiculturalism was always a lie.


So, what do you want to talk about now?

Damn.....that one is a reach
Even for you

You asked for proof and you received it

Your "proof" was like one quote from one dedication ceremony, for one statue, and a bunch of unsupported opinion.


It was weak as hell shit.



In Democrat run Jim Crow South, the blacks did not need a statue or two to let them know "their place".



BUT, thank you for admitting that multiculturalism was always a lie.


So, what do you want to talk about now?

 

[bodecea]

Sherman's army raped and killed slaves, city folk, they didn't give a fuck. Lee couldn't take the atrocities anymore, that's why he surrendered. A couple of battles that went badly also contributed.

War is Hell....maybe the South should have thought about it before starting one.

 

[Marion Morrison]

It was because leftist Anti Americans wanted to destroy and forget history they disagreed with and wanted done away with,much like Al Qaeda and ISIS did in areas they controlled...destroy monuments and historical documents etc. The leftists wanted to remove and destroy a statue of General Lee..the riots,deaths,violence ALL fall on their heads. They started the war and WE will finish it. This is a war have no doubt about that and we will win this war or we will die trying.

Lee was a traitor. He chose the wrong way. Why honor him? We Americans go on. The traitors started this war so many years ago. Why do do you worship these traitors to the United States of America? You want to be a little bitch who left your country?

Lee was not a traitor, and it's you who are a little bitch and will want to leave the country post-November.

That's when you're going to realize you had it all wrong. Maybe you will want to start a Civil War..with..fingernails or something.

Me? I got a jar full of Lime-encrusted .50 cal real Civil War bullets from back in the day. They have a triple-skirt on them.

Lee was a traitor to the United States of America. There is not need to start a civil war. Why do you want to destroy your country? I don't give a shit as to what you have a jar of. Why do you think that you are entitled to more than any other American? Why do you think that you are entitled to any more than your follow Americans? Stop acting like a pig. You think that you are some big fat White Man and the rest of us Americans are supposed to kneel to you? You comment as if you are American garbarge. No pride in your nation.

Fuck your revisionist bullshit leftist history. You're the fucking unAmericans here, and the left will get their asses handed to them come November. You see, real Americans still know what's what.

I am some "big fat white man"? No bitch, I am some in shape ready-to-fight-for-America cracker, bitch. One that's been shooting since he was eight. I am not the one to fuck with.

I believe in America, but not a leftist America.

But you are not ready to fight for the U.S.A. Why should I care that you have been shooting since you were eight. i don't give a flying what your penis size is (probably small). You have absolutely NO RIGHT to get anything more than anything that the rest of us Americans get. Put that thing back in your pants. This is not a matter of guns or penis size, you stupid bitch.

You Mr. Boytoys are hilarious.

If you think sissified leftists are going to bulldoze their will over a majority of real Americans, you got another think coming.

Throw some more riots, punks.


People have had enough, I'm telling you.

 

[bodecea]

Sherman's army raped and killed slaves, city folk, they didn't give a fuck. Lee couldn't take the atrocities anymore, that's why he surrendered. A couple of battles that went badly also contributed.

Many hundreds of thousands of 'freed' slaves died in 'property camps'; they didn't want all them dirty Negroes running free up North and annoying the grand noble selfless northern white people.

Oh really? hundreds of thousands? Should be easy for you to prove that, eh?

 

[Correll]

If in 1916, black citizens of Charlottesville collected funds to erect a statue honoring those citizens who were enslaved, they would have been met by the KKK and had their homes burned

Instead in 1916, Daughters if the Confederacy erected countless statues honoring those who fought to ensure slavery .......black citizens had no say

Today, blacks are politically empowered and have different views of how honorable the confederacy was

By 1916, the issue of slavery was long settled. The statues were not pro-slavery statues, but simply monuments to the sacrifices and bravery of their ancestors.


And now you fuckers want to take them down?


YOu just admitted that multiculturalism was a lie from the very beginning.

Is that why so many of the statues had labels talking about the white race?

No.


Are you denying that slavery was a settled issue by 19 fucking 16?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Lee was not a traitor, and it's you who are a little bitch and will want to leave the country post-November.

That's when you're going to realize you had it all wrong. Maybe you will want to start a Civil War..with..fingernails or something.

Me? I got a jar full of Lime-encrusted .50 cal real Civil War bullets from back in the day. They have a triple-skirt on them.

Lee was a traitor to the United States of America. There is not need to start a civil war. Why do you want to destroy your country? I don't give a shit as to what you have a jar of. Why do you think that you are entitled to more than any other American? Why do you think that you are entitled to any more than your follow Americans? Stop acting like a pig. You think that you are some big fat White Man and the rest of us Americans are supposed to kneel to you? You comment as if you are American garbarge. No pride in your nation.

Fuck your revisionist bullshit leftist history. You're the fucking unAmericans here, and the left will get their asses handed to them come November. You see, real Americans still know what's what.

I am some "big fat white man"? No bitch, I am some in shape ready-to-fight-for-America cracker, bitch. One that's been shooting since he was eight. I am not the one to fuck with.

I believe in America, but not a leftist America.

Internet tough guy

No.

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I can poke holes in paper plates

It is not that difficult

From what distance?

 

[rightwinger]

Now, let’s look at when the monuments were erected
Not post cIvil war when soldiers and families honored the dead but early 1900s during the resurgence of the KKK and during the civil rights era

About the time that those who were children during the war, and lost fathers, would have become the elders and leaders of the community.

About the time those children rebuilt the klan

Your assumption of a connection, or even overlap, is unsupported.


The normal reasons for a monument, ie to celebrate heritage, to remember historical and/or respected figures,

seems far more likely and reasonable.



If Trump said he wanted to build a statue of, say, some famous US/Mexican war General, and place it on the border to "remind" Mexicans they were not welcome,

under the belief that a statue would "remind them of their place" or some such shit,


you would be laughing your ass off and rightfully so.


Yet you are claiming that is what the statues in question are about.



YOur case is weak as shit.

I have supported my point

Your inability to man up and admit it shows you are little more than a race baiting redneck supporting racist southern heritage

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Err, no. YOu misunderstand the point. That would be a homosexual..

You can come out of the closet about that too if you like --- live your truth

Cuck suggests weakness and lack of Will..

As in your lack of will to acknowledge that the core intentions behind confederate statues were for white supremacy

But I expect that coming from a person with such moral weakness.

Instead, I rightfully point that you, a lib, using it, is like a child dressing up in daddy's clothes, pretending to be something you are not.

So in other words, calling you a cuck was spot on......

Now back to your frivolous defense of white supremacy -- why are you so bad at it?

Is it because it is indefensible and your zeal to be racist won't let you see it?

 

[rightwinger]

If in 1916, black citizens of Charlottesville collected funds to erect a statue honoring those citizens who were enslaved, they would have been met by the KKK and had their homes burned

Instead in 1916, Daughters if the Confederacy erected countless statues honoring those who fought to ensure slavery .......black citizens had no say

Today, blacks are politically empowered and have different views of how honorable the confederacy was

By 1916, the issue of slavery was long settled. The statues were not pro-slavery statues, but simply monuments to the sacrifices and bravery of their ancestors.


And now you fuckers want to take them down?


YOu just admitted that multiculturalism was a lie from the very beginning.

Is that why so many of the statues had labels talking about the white race?

No.


Are you denying that slavery was a settled issue by 19 fucking 16?

Evidently not

The South will rise again was still drawing support. The KKK came back stronger than ever

 

[bodecea]

It was because leftist Anti Americans wanted to destroy and forget history they disagreed with and wanted done away with,much like Al Qaeda and ISIS did in areas they controlled...destroy monuments and historical documents etc. The leftists wanted to remove and destroy a statue of General Lee..the riots,deaths,violence ALL fall on their heads. They started the war and WE will finish it. This is a war have no doubt about that and we will win this war or we will die trying.

You mean protect monuments in favor of slavery

not to mention a traitor to the united states of america... something that trump & lee have in common.

How many Civil War books have you read?

fighting to secede from the country is treasonous.

So America is a nation FOUNDED on treason you moron....Secession is an American tradition

It was because leftist Anti Americans wanted to destroy and forget history they disagreed with and wanted done away with,much like Al Qaeda and ISIS did in areas they controlled...destroy monuments and historical documents etc. The leftists wanted to remove and destroy a statue of General Lee..the riots,deaths,violence ALL fall on their heads. They started the war and WE will finish it. This is a war have no doubt about that and we will win this war or we will die trying.

Do you protect history by chanting "Jews will not replace us!"? Do you protect history by bringing clubs and shields and guns? So you protect history by waving swastika flags? Was that a responsible protection of history?

How many times are you idiots going to lie about this? They did NOT chant Jews will not replace us they chanted YOU will not replace us,there were no nazi flags I saw even if there was so fucking what? Leftists started this by trying to destroy history. Simple fact.

Actually America WAS founded on treason...to the crown. What do you think was going to happen to the signers of the Declaration of Independence if we'd lost. The British already had a "to hang" list ready to go. You really need to learn some history, Jeffrey.

 

[bodecea]

General Lee was widely respected and revered by both the North and the South.

For some little brainwashed leftists to come and claim some "traitor" crap after 140+ years is ridiculous.


Actually it's not, because leftist professors started skewing facts about The Civil War and putting it in textbooks around the 70s.


It'd take 50 of those lemmings to equal 1 Robert E. Lee.




Happy birthday Gen. Robert E. Lee

Lee was lucky to not be hung....can't admire a guy who thru his skill kept a war going 2-3 years longer than it should have, causing much more death and destruction. Any family that had a member killed after mid-1862 can lay that death at Lee's feet.

Lee made it a point not to harm civilians.


He was 50+X the person your piece of shit 3-foot wide dyke ass is, Bodey.

Poor Jeffrey....can't help but lose this thread just like the con-federates lost their little war they started in order to keep men enslaved.

 

[Correll]

I've never read anything in any history book that supports your claim that the Jim Crow south of the early 20th century needed statues to keep the blacks down.


Can you support that very odd claim, or is this one of those, "throw shit against the wall, and hope no one calls on it moments" and you will just deflect, dodge and distract?

Answer this question then:

Why would you put up a statue of Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson in 1948 in Baltimore?

Yes. Very much so. It would be a great way to showcase the unity of the nation.


Hey, you ever see this picture from the 1913 joint civil war reunion?

The lack of requiring the South to grovel in shame and humiliation was a big part of how and why the US was not permanently split and weakened by the Civil War.

Funny how you still have not answered the question...so I will try again...

Why would you put up a monument of Stonewall Jackson in 1948 Baltimore?

Why are you racists not demanding for the US to erect statues of british generals? After all, there are many descendants of those Brits who still live in this country --- why is it the country that wanted to maintain slavery the only traitors you identify with? I know already, i just like seeing racists tap dance

What part of "very much so" do you not understand?


YOu can shove your race baiting up your ass, asshole.


I would be happy to see a statue celebrating our shared heritage and culture with the UK, and/or colonial times.


I recently swung by and visited Fort Necessity, a colonial era military monument.


What? I should hate it? Tear it down? WTF?

I see how you are trying to dodge by claiming this is about "shared culture" --- that is not what I asked...I asked you would support statues honoring the generals who were fighting against our country??

NO dodge. I said YES, with just little added to say why. Twice now.

We also have shared culture with Germans -- so do you support a statue honoring German generals we fought against in WW2 -- the same generals that were fighting to maintain racial genocide?

If we had annexed Germany, or a significant portion of it, after the war? And the people in that area wanted to commemorate their fighting men, especially if done in such a way as to NOT seem like a support for the genocide of the Nazis, and they had been and remained loyal American citizens for decades?

Sure.

We also have shared culture with Italy --- so do you support a statue honoring Italian generals we fought against in WW2??

See above.

also, why do you ignore what Robert E Lee himself said about his opposition to erecting confederate monuments?

Because the primary fear of his, ie revanchism, is long past dead.

Is your racism that strong that you would ignore the sentiments of the person you claim you are honoring?

YOu call me an asshole, now I call you an asshole.

You, sir, are a fucking, race baiting asshole.

 

[bodecea]

It was because leftist Anti Americans wanted to destroy and forget history they disagreed with and wanted done away with,much like Al Qaeda and ISIS did in areas they controlled...destroy monuments and historical documents etc. The leftists wanted to remove and destroy a statue of General Lee..the riots,deaths,violence ALL fall on their heads. They started the war and WE will finish it. This is a war have no doubt about that and we will win this war or we will die trying.

You mean protect monuments in favor of slavery

Doesn't matter what the monuments are. They are historical monuments that are NOT to be touched. You leftist Anti Americans started this by trying to destroy history. I just wish more had gotten run over....too bad.

They can be touched and removed at any time by the city/county that are responsible for them. I don't see you volunteering to adopt them/put them up in your front yard.

Thanks for admitting that multiculturalism was always a lie.

Well, it sure makes white supremacists uncomfortable considering they can lose...and badly with the competition.

 

[miketx]

Let's make this very clear.

When the Alt Right rises up in violence, it will always be smashed down. Always.

Goebbels.

 

[Correll]

Now, let’s look at when the monuments were erected
Not post cIvil war when soldiers and families honored the dead but early 1900s during the resurgence of the KKK and during the civil rights era

About the time that those who were children during the war, and lost fathers, would have become the elders and leaders of the community.

About the time those children rebuilt the klan

Your assumption of a connection, or even overlap, is unsupported.


The normal reasons for a monument, ie to celebrate heritage, to remember historical and/or respected figures,

seems far more likely and reasonable.



If Trump said he wanted to build a statue of, say, some famous US/Mexican war General, and place it on the border to "remind" Mexicans they were not welcome,

under the belief that a statue would "remind them of their place" or some such shit,


you would be laughing your ass off and rightfully so.


Yet you are claiming that is what the statues in question are about.



YOur case is weak as shit.

I have supported my point

Your inability to man up and admit it shows you are little more than a race baiting redneck supporting racist southern heritage

I addressed your supporting article. It did not do what you claimed it did.

YOur race baiting is your response to being unable to support your position with logic or evidence.


Your are the asshole here, not me.